Jobless Claims Fall Sharply Last Week - AND this week too

[CADsortaGUY]

First-time claims for state unemployment benefits fell 18,000 to 338,000 in the week ended April 24

More good news about the Economy. News that everyone should be happy to see, especially coupled with the GDP and other numbers.

CkG

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Jobless claims lowest since 2000 - Americans filing for unemployment insurance fall by 25,000 to 315,000, lowest since Oct., 2000.

Initial claims for unemployment insurance dropped by 25,000 to 315,000 in the week ended May 1, the U.S. Labor Department reported. That's down from the previous week's revised figure of 340,000, and below estimates for 335,000, according to Briefing.com.

The figure is the lowest since October, 28, 2000.

The four-week average of initial claims, which irons out weekly fluctuations, slipped to 343,250 last week from a revised 347,000 the prior week.

 

[leeboy]

:roll:

Yippee, only 338,000 Moms or Dads had to go home and tell their family the place they have been working for for 10+ years just either went out of business or laid them off. This is a BAD number for your boy until more jobs are created than lost. And pay close attention to the last paragraph in your linked article, not good news at all.

But keep plugging away, the First Time Claim number is a nonsense stat that means little to the blips that have already fallen off the radar.

 

[TekChik]

Originally posted by: leeboy
:roll:

Yippee, only 338,000 Moms or Dads had to go home and tell their family the place they have been working for for 10+ years just either went out of business or laid them off. This is a BAD number for your boy until more jobs are created than lost. And pay close attention to the last paragraph in your linked article, not good news at all.

But keep plugging away, the First Time Claim number is a nonsense stat that means little to the blips that have already fallen off the radar.

right...and the GDP numbers indicate nothing as well. :roll: LOL. you guys WANT America to stay weak just so you can say Kerry will change it. that's sad. no wonder liberals are never happy. their glass is always half empty.

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: leeboy
:roll:

Yippee, only 338,000 Moms or Dads had to go home and tell their family the place they have been working for for 10+ years just either went out of business or laid them off. This is a BAD number for your boy until more jobs are created than lost. And pay close attention to the last paragraph in your linked article, not good news at all.

But keep plugging away, the First Time Claim number is a nonsense stat that means little to the blips that have already fallen off the radar.

The job market is getting better. I put my resume out to just a few friends recently and I have already gotten several job offers.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: leeboy
:roll:

Yippee, only 338,000 Moms or Dads had to go home and tell their family the place they have been working for for 10+ years just either went out of business or laid them off. This is a BAD number for your boy until more jobs are created than lost. And pay close attention to the last paragraph in your linked article, not good news at all.

But keep plugging away, the First Time Claim number is a nonsense stat that means little to the blips that have already fallen off the radar.

The job market is getting better. I put my resume out to just a few friends recently and I have already gotten several job offers.

...about 20-25 pages of jobs in this Sunday's Washington Post and they had an interview with a clown downtown on yesterday's 'evening news' talk about his difficulty finding work in the D.C. metro area. I think he's voting for Kerry.

 

[leeboy]

Originally posted by: TekChik

Originally posted by: leeboy
:roll:

Yippee, only 338,000 Moms or Dads had to go home and tell their family the place they have been working for for 10+ years just either went out of business or laid them off. This is a BAD number for your boy until more jobs are created than lost. And pay close attention to the last paragraph in your linked article, not good news at all.

But keep plugging away, the First Time Claim number is a nonsense stat that means little to the blips that have already fallen off the radar.

right...and the GDP numbers indicate nothing as well. :roll: LOL. you guys WANT America to stay weak just so you can say Kerry will change it. that's sad. no wonder liberals are never happy. their glass is always half empty.

No, not at all. I am excited and optimistic about the other stats that have come out this week and have posted so, it is about time things looked up a bit. That is really good news.

If you read less partisianly, my post, the only thing I am talking about is the FTC#. It becomes a joke stat after a few years off mass job losses. I mean really, how many more people CAN loose their f'ing jobs? We should be bottoming out soon I hope. But still, personally I feel that when that number is still above 300K a month, that is nothing to write home about.

 

[TekChik]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: leeboy
:roll:

Yippee, only 338,000 Moms or Dads had to go home and tell their family the place they have been working for for 10+ years just either went out of business or laid them off. This is a BAD number for your boy until more jobs are created than lost. And pay close attention to the last paragraph in your linked article, not good news at all.

But keep plugging away, the First Time Claim number is a nonsense stat that means little to the blips that have already fallen off the radar.

The job market is getting better. I put my resume out to just a few friends recently and I have already gotten several job offers.

...about 20-25 pages of jobs in this Sunday's Washington Post and they had an interview with a clown downtown on yesterday's 'evening news' talk about his difficulty finding work in the D.C. metro area. I think he's voting for Kerry.

and Job growth rose SHARPLY in the Washington area in the first quarter according to The Washington Post. i'm definitely not complaining about living here

 

[leeboy]

I, too, have noticed the want ads growing in the Detroit News/Free Press. Unfortunetly, all the anticipation about the manufacturing kicking back into gear is still just hype around these parts. I am hopeful that the summer will be good and that many of these laid off auto workers/manufacturing workings back to work. Beleive it or not, these people when they are working dump a LOT of money into Michigan's economy. We could really use that kind of boost here. When they aren't working and out spending their cash, so many industries in Michigan, hell, the midwest suffer.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: TekChik


and Job growth rose SHARPLY in the Washington area in the first quarter according to The Washington Post. i'm definitely not complaining about living here

I tried to view that article, Tekchick, but it returned the following error:

"Warning: You are not permitted to register for this service, as you are a 'Neo-Con' and threaten our vested interested in maintaining mind control over our readership--please go away until you, too, believe Bush is baaaaadddd."

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: TekChik

Originally posted by: leeboy
:roll:

Yippee, only 338,000 Moms or Dads had to go home and tell their family the place they have been working for for 10+ years just either went out of business or laid them off. This is a BAD number for your boy until more jobs are created than lost. And pay close attention to the last paragraph in your linked article, not good news at all.

But keep plugging away, the First Time Claim number is a nonsense stat that means little to the blips that have already fallen off the radar.

right...and the GDP numbers indicate nothing as well. :roll: LOL. you guys WANT America to stay weak just so you can say Kerry will change it. that's sad. no wonder liberals are never happy. their glass is always half empty.

seems like you republicans should be used to it by now after claiming for 8 yrs that the economy really wasn't growing during clinton. :roll:

 

[TekChik]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: TekChik


and Job growth rose SHARPLY in the Washington area in the first quarter according to The Washington Post. i'm definitely not complaining about living here

I tried to view that article, Tekchick, but it returned the following error:

"Warning: You are not permitted to register for this service, as you are a 'Neo-Con' and threaten our vested interested in maintaining mind control over our readership--please go away until you, too, believe Bush is baaaaadddd."

LOL...that's too bad...maybe my firewall here at work disguised me and that's what i was able to read it.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: leeboy
:roll:

Yippee, only 338,000 Moms or Dads had to go home and tell their family the place they have been working for for 10+ years just either went out of business or laid them off. This is a BAD number for your boy until more jobs are created than lost. And pay close attention to the last paragraph in your linked article, not good news at all.

But keep plugging away, the First Time Claim number is a nonsense stat that means little to the blips that have already fallen off the radar.

:roll: Yippie, another pile of plop from a clueless lefty. The First-time claims number does mean something and despite your rhetoric - it is not a BAD number. Look back at the data and you'll see that these current numbers are quite similar to ones seen in 1996
From dol.gov:
3/23/96 - 426,000
3/30/96 - 393,000
4/06/96 - 369,000
4/13/96 - 357,000
4/20/96 - 368,000
4/27/96 - 343,000

Now lets look at the current trend:
3/20/04 - 344,000
3/27/04 - 343,000
4/03/04 - 330,000
4/10/04 - 360,000
4/17/04 - 356,000
4/24/04 - 338,000


Well, looks to me like your little sob story was just a (ir)relivant back in 1996 as it is today

Now I understand layoffs aren't easy for those who are laid-off but you don't seem to understand that this is part of the flow of economics. So anyway - you can save the emotional rhetoric leeboy - it doesn't play...unless you think the "booming 90s" weren't as booming as people claim they were.

The initial claims going down is good news no matter how much you want to paint it as "BAD" leeboy.

CkG

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: TekChik

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: leeboy
:roll:

Yippee, only 338,000 Moms or Dads had to go home and tell their family the place they have been working for for 10+ years just either went out of business or laid them off. This is a BAD number for your boy until more jobs are created than lost. And pay close attention to the last paragraph in your linked article, not good news at all.

But keep plugging away, the First Time Claim number is a nonsense stat that means little to the blips that have already fallen off the radar.

The job market is getting better. I put my resume out to just a few friends recently and I have already gotten several job offers.

...about 20-25 pages of jobs in this Sunday's Washington Post and they had an interview with a clown downtown on yesterday's 'evening news' talk about his difficulty finding work in the D.C. metro area. I think he's voting for Kerry.

and Job growth rose SHARPLY in the Washington area in the first quarter according to The Washington Post. i'm definitely not complaining about living here

Hmm I have been "on the bench" since February 20th and have started sending out resumes to other companies. So far it seems pretty damned hard to me to find a job. I am grateful that my current employer has kept me on this long but it cannot continue indefinitely.

 

[TekChik]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: TekChik

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: leeboy
:roll:

Yippee, only 338,000 Moms or Dads had to go home and tell their family the place they have been working for for 10+ years just either went out of business or laid them off. This is a BAD number for your boy until more jobs are created than lost. And pay close attention to the last paragraph in your linked article, not good news at all.

But keep plugging away, the First Time Claim number is a nonsense stat that means little to the blips that have already fallen off the radar.

The job market is getting better. I put my resume out to just a few friends recently and I have already gotten several job offers.

...about 20-25 pages of jobs in this Sunday's Washington Post and they had an interview with a clown downtown on yesterday's 'evening news' talk about his difficulty finding work in the D.C. metro area. I think he's voting for Kerry.

and Job growth rose SHARPLY in the Washington area in the first quarter according to The Washington Post. i'm definitely not complaining about living here

Hmm I have been "on the bench" since February 20th and have started sending out resumes to other companies. So far it seems pretty damned hard to me to find a job. I am grateful that my current employer has kept me on this long but it cannot continue indefinitely.

Sorry to hear that, Linflas. What kind of work are you looking for?

-TekChik

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: TekChik

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: TekChik

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: leeboy
:roll:

Yippee, only 338,000 Moms or Dads had to go home and tell their family the place they have been working for for 10+ years just either went out of business or laid them off. This is a BAD number for your boy until more jobs are created than lost. And pay close attention to the last paragraph in your linked article, not good news at all.

But keep plugging away, the First Time Claim number is a nonsense stat that means little to the blips that have already fallen off the radar.

The job market is getting better. I put my resume out to just a few friends recently and I have already gotten several job offers.

...about 20-25 pages of jobs in this Sunday's Washington Post and they had an interview with a clown downtown on yesterday's 'evening news' talk about his difficulty finding work in the D.C. metro area. I think he's voting for Kerry.

and Job growth rose SHARPLY in the Washington area in the first quarter according to The Washington Post. i'm definitely not complaining about living here

Hmm I have been "on the bench" since February 20th and have started sending out resumes to other companies. So far it seems pretty damned hard to me to find a job. I am grateful that my current employer has kept me on this long but it cannot continue indefinitely.

Sorry to hear that, Linflas. What kind of work are you looking for?

-TekChik

Pretty much anything information technology weighted towards system administration/LAN administration. I have a pretty diverse background including such now useless stuff as Fortran and OS/MVS to more relevent MS Windows family administration etc. My last contract was working on development and deployment of a document management/MS Exchange based workflow system.

 

[leeboy]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: leeboy
:roll:

Yippee, only 338,000 Moms or Dads had to go home and tell their family the place they have been working for for 10+ years just either went out of business or laid them off. This is a BAD number for your boy until more jobs are created than lost. And pay close attention to the last paragraph in your linked article, not good news at all.

But keep plugging away, the First Time Claim number is a nonsense stat that means little to the blips that have already fallen off the radar.

:roll: Yippie, another pile of plop from a clueless lefty. The First-time claims number does mean something and despite your rhetoric - it is not a BAD number. Look back at the data and you'll see that these current numbers are quite similar to ones seen in 1996
From dol.gov:
3/23/96 - 426,000
3/30/96 - 393,000
4/06/96 - 369,000
4/13/96 - 357,000
4/20/96 - 368,000
4/27/96 - 343,000

Now lets look at the current trend:
3/20/04 - 344,000
3/27/04 - 343,000
4/03/04 - 330,000
4/10/04 - 360,000
4/17/04 - 356,000
4/24/04 - 338,000


Well, looks to me like your little sob story was just a (ir)relivant back in 1996 as it is today

Now I understand layoffs aren't easy for those who are laid-off but you don't seem to understand that this is part of the flow of economics. So anyway - you can save the emotional rhetoric leeboy - it doesn't play...unless you think the "booming 90s" weren't as booming as people claim they were.

The initial claims going down is good news no matter how much you want to paint it as "BAD" leeboy.

CkG

YAWN :roll: Read my post Types Too Much, I said it was a BAD number for your boy, not for me or you. It's called an opinion. You sure have yours, I have mine.

The number of unemployed on the benefit rolls after claiming an initial week of aid rose slightly to 3.013 million in the week ended April 17, the latest for which figures are available, from 3.010 million the previous week.

Now surely even you can admit that is not something to run campain ads on. You're too jumpy today CKG

I prefer this link anyhow: LINKY

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: leeboy
I, too, have noticed the want ads growing in the Detroit News/Free Press. Unfortunetly, all the anticipation about the manufacturing kicking back into gear is still just hype around these parts.

Kerry won't bring back the Detroit automotive manufacturing boom either. Detroit needs to adapt and move on...that's a regional problem. Sitting around waiting for the pie in the sky is useless...get some training and enter a services field...or remain stagnant and fossilize...you're choice.

 

[tnitsuj]

Japanese automakers are hiring in new plants in the Southern part of the US

 

[leeboy]

I never implied Kerry would or that Bush couldn't. That really does not have much to do with the man/woman in office. I simply sympathize for their dying breed. They had a good run and a person could make a damn good living and retire from the line to a pretty comfortable retirement.

While I don't think the industry is as dead as some claim it to be, I don't think it will ever boom like it once did. Surely these people need to adapt and for many, find a new line of work. There are quite a few training programs the State offers to retrain displaced workers. I just don't think the vast majority are willing to get off their asses and do it. They will hold on to the shred of hope that maybe, just maybe it will all boom again. Not likely and quite frankly, quite sad. Now does that sound like a liberal? I have no patience or sypathy for the lazy and ones unwilling to try and make ends meet just because they CAN"T work in their chosen field.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: leeboy

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: leeboy
:roll:

Yippee, only 338,000 Moms or Dads had to go home and tell their family the place they have been working for for 10+ years just either went out of business or laid them off. This is a BAD number for your boy until more jobs are created than lost. And pay close attention to the last paragraph in your linked article, not good news at all.

But keep plugging away, the First Time Claim number is a nonsense stat that means little to the blips that have already fallen off the radar.

:roll: Yippie, another pile of plop from a clueless lefty. The First-time claims number does mean something and despite your rhetoric - it is not a BAD number. Look back at the data and you'll see that these current numbers are quite similar to ones seen in 1996
From dol.gov:
3/23/96 - 426,000
3/30/96 - 393,000
4/06/96 - 369,000
4/13/96 - 357,000
4/20/96 - 368,000
4/27/96 - 343,000

Now lets look at the current trend:
3/20/04 - 344,000
3/27/04 - 343,000
4/03/04 - 330,000
4/10/04 - 360,000
4/17/04 - 356,000
4/24/04 - 338,000


Well, looks to me like your little sob story was just a (ir)relivant back in 1996 as it is today

Now I understand layoffs aren't easy for those who are laid-off but you don't seem to understand that this is part of the flow of economics. So anyway - you can save the emotional rhetoric leeboy - it doesn't play...unless you think the "booming 90s" weren't as booming as people claim they were.

The initial claims going down is good news no matter how much you want to paint it as "BAD" leeboy.

CkG

YAWN :roll: Read my post Types Too Much, I said it was a BAD number for your boy, not for me or you. It's called an opinion. You sure have yours, I have mine.

The number of unemployed on the benefit rolls after claiming an initial week of aid rose slightly to 3.013 million in the week ended April 17, the latest for which figures are available, from 3.010 million the previous week.

Now surely even you can admit that is not something to run campain ads on. You're too jumpy today CKG

I prefer this link anyhow: LINKY

I know you tried to say it was "BAD" for Bush - why do you think I was making the comparison with this same timeframe the last time someone was up for re-election? You think if in the "roaring 90s" the numbers were somewhat similar it wouldn't be "BAD" - no? Ofcourse not - you have no clue what you are talking about and just want to play the same tired emotional rhetoric.

Now as to some supposed point of that last line in the article - do you have any idea why that might be the case? Or are you trying to use that to show the decline in initial jobless claims is somehow "BAD".

Maybe you should actually try to learn about the economy and how things work because you are just spouting the same rehashed BS the left has been trying to hold on to for quite some time.

No one said it should be in an ad - but it doesn't mean it is "BAD" either. I think you need to do some mental exercises when you wake in the morning to freshen your mind so you don't have to resort to emotional rhetoric when discussing economic statistics.

Oh, and yes, that link is fine. I read it before posting this thread Infact I had to dig a little just to find all the numbers I used. Anyway - keep trying to think these initial claims numbers are "BAD" for Bush if you wish. You probably aren't alone - I bet dave thinks a decrease in initial claims is "BAD" too Infact - I think the numbers are "BAD" too - not for Bush - but for the other side.(looking at it from only a political standpoint)

CkG

 

[leeboy]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: leeboy

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: leeboy
:roll:

Yippee, only 338,000 Moms or Dads had to go home and tell their family the place they have been working for for 10+ years just either went out of business or laid them off. This is a BAD number for your boy until more jobs are created than lost. And pay close attention to the last paragraph in your linked article, not good news at all.

But keep plugging away, the First Time Claim number is a nonsense stat that means little to the blips that have already fallen off the radar.

:roll: Yippie, another pile of plop from a clueless lefty. The First-time claims number does mean something and despite your rhetoric - it is not a BAD number. Look back at the data and you'll see that these current numbers are quite similar to ones seen in 1996
From dol.gov:
3/23/96 - 426,000
3/30/96 - 393,000
4/06/96 - 369,000
4/13/96 - 357,000
4/20/96 - 368,000
4/27/96 - 343,000

Now lets look at the current trend:
3/20/04 - 344,000
3/27/04 - 343,000
4/03/04 - 330,000
4/10/04 - 360,000
4/17/04 - 356,000
4/24/04 - 338,000


Well, looks to me like your little sob story was just a (ir)relivant back in 1996 as it is today

Now I understand layoffs aren't easy for those who are laid-off but you don't seem to understand that this is part of the flow of economics. So anyway - you can save the emotional rhetoric leeboy - it doesn't play...unless you think the "booming 90s" weren't as booming as people claim they were.

The initial claims going down is good news no matter how much you want to paint it as "BAD" leeboy.

CkG

YAWN :roll: Read my post Types Too Much, I said it was a BAD number for your boy, not for me or you. It's called an opinion. You sure have yours, I have mine.

The number of unemployed on the benefit rolls after claiming an initial week of aid rose slightly to 3.013 million in the week ended April 17, the latest for which figures are available, from 3.010 million the previous week.

Now surely even you can admit that is not something to run campain ads on. You're too jumpy today CKG

I prefer this link anyhow: LINKY

I know you tried to say it was "BAD" for Bush - why do you think I was making the comparison with this same timeframe the last time someone was up for re-election? You think if in the "roaring 90s" the numbers were somewhat similar it wouldn't be "BAD" - no? Ofcourse not - you have no clue what you are talking about and just want to play the same tired emotional rhetoric.

Now as to some supposed point of that last line in the article - do you have any idea why that might be the case? Or are you trying to use that to show the decline in initial jobless claims is somehow "BAD".

Maybe you should actually try to learn about the economy and how things work because you are just spouting the same rehashed BS the left has been trying to hold on to for quite some time.

No one said it should be in an ad - but it doesn't mean it is "BAD" either. I think you need to do some mental exercises when you wake in the morning to freshen your mind so you don't have to resort to emotional rhetoric when discussing economic statistics.

Oh, and yes, that link is fine. I read it before posting this thread Infact I had to dig a little just to find all the numbers I used. Anyway - keep trying to think these initial claims numbers are "BAD" for Bush if you wish. You probably aren't alone - I bet dave thinks a decrease in initial claims is "BAD" too Infact - I think the numbers are "BAD" too - not for Bush - but for the other side.(looking at it from only a political standpoint)

CkG

Keep going Types Too Much, I don't even bother reading it. I just hit the rewind button on your forehead Yawn

:roll:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: leeboy

Keep going Types Too Much, I don't even bother reading it. I just hit the rewind button on your forehead Yawn

:roll:

Ofcourse you didn't read it, but that's OK, you probably wouldn't be able comprehend the content anyway. Now run along...

CkG

 

[leeboy]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: leeboy

Keep going Types Too Much, I don't even bother reading it. I just hit the rewind button on your forehead Yawn

:roll:

Ofcourse you didn't read it, but that's OK, you probably wouldn't be able comprehend the content anyway. Now run along...

CkG

Why would I? Nothing new from your corner in years. I have tried to see things from your point of view for quite some time now CAD, but I can't get my head that far up my ass. One day you'll have to write a long post explaining how you get yours so far up. Yawn.

:roll:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: leeboy

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: leeboy

Keep going Types Too Much, I don't even bother reading it. I just hit the rewind button on your forehead Yawn

:roll:

Ofcourse you didn't read it, but that's OK, you probably wouldn't be able comprehend the content anyway. Now run along...

CkG

Why would I? Nothing new from my corner in years. I have tried to see things from your point of view for quite some time now CAD, but I can't get my head out of my ass. One day I'll have to write a long post explaining how I get mine so far up. Yawn.

:roll:

:roll:

New from my corner? This isn't about me or my corner - this is about the initial jobless claims. Which is going down. You know....the good news you tried to excuse with the same old tired emotional rhetoric.

Now run along and take your little head up your ass quips with you...
...unless ofcourse you want to actually discuss the topic...

CkG

 

[leeboy]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: leeboy

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: leeboy

Keep going Types Too Much, I don't even bother reading it. I just hit the rewind button on your forehead Yawn

:roll:

Ofcourse you didn't read it, but that's OK, you probably wouldn't be able comprehend the content anyway. Now run along...

CkG

Why would I? Nothing new from my corner in years. I have tried to see things from your point of view for quite some time now CAD, but I can't get my head out of my ass. One day I'll have to write a long post explaining how I get mine so far up. Yawn.

:roll:

:roll:

New from my corner? This isn't about me or my corner - this is about the initial jobless claims. Which is going down. You know....the good news you tried to excuse with the same old tired emotional rhetoric.

Now run along and take your little head up your ass quips with you...
...unless ofcourse you want to actually discuss the topic...

CkG

Hey CAD, when are you going to get around to cashing that check I sent you last week for the space I rent in your head. Muhahaha. Pft. Yawn. I suposed I could be witty like you and tell you to run along as well but I don't want you hurting yourself bumping in to stuff with your head up your a$$ and all.

:roll: