Job creation plan for rural America

[Jhhnn]

We can't have an economy where working for a living is both a privilege & a necessity.

 

[Mai72]

I think the honest situation is anyone currently in manufacturing is screwed. Going forward people should not pursue that work and need to go to university for a useful degree. Even that will not stave off the inevitable when STEM fields and similar are saturated.

At that point it is population control and reduction. Or socialism will be needed on a much larger scale than it currently is with universal guaranteed incomes.

Manufacturing is over and going forward even some highly technical skilled fields will be automated. Once AI takes hold, even R&D and innovation may be automated.

Depends on the degree. I know many people are going to disagree with me but you don't need a degree to succeed. You really don't. This attitude that you need a degree is why we have $1.3T in student loan debt. And quickly rising! Of course, if you want to be an engineer, doctor, lawyer, teacher, or get into computer science a college degree is mandatory. But, if you don't know what you want to do with your life, or if you're going to college to please your parents it's probably not a good idea to pursue a degree. I've met quite a few millionaires who didn't have degrees. They were smart and willing to work hard. An entrepreneur doesn't need a degree. A plumber doesn't need a bachelor's degree.

Waiting for Trump or any president to make your life better is stupid. You're just going to f*cking lose. The marketplace doesn't care. You either bring value or you don't. The people who aren't able to bring value to the marketplace are going to lose. It's as simple as that.

I love this quote; "A formal education will make you a living, while self education will make you a fortune."

You should always be in the process of growing. If you're not growing you're dying. The people in Midwest USA are dying. Many have refused to take it upon themselves to better their situation. So, in the end they'll suffer. Trump isn't going to save them. Manufacturing has abandoned them. It's time that they adjusted.

 

[greatnoob]

I have to ask why are the elites pushing so much automation and technology? They definitely know that it will hurt many people and despite that, they are going that route. They brought us Facebook, Twitter, smartphones, etc. for a reason. Now they want to rapidly bring us automated cars and other technologies. I'm not sure that it's for the betterment of society in the long term. Who knows though.

If you can augment workers' productivity with technology it is wise to invest in it because output increases and variable input costs fall as production increases with new technology (leading to a decrease in product price). On the other hand if labour and technology are perfect substitutes and the technical substitution rate favours capital - meaning more output can be produced using machines than labour - then it is better to start investing more in capital than hiring more workers. Machines do not have bargaining power over their non-existent wages!

 

[ivwshane]

In the end, the worship of money and power reigns supreme.

That seems like that should be your cause. Instead of complaining about the inevitable maybe you should be thinking how humans can adapt and live in harmony with robots while feeling useful and not pursuing money and material things.

 

[agent00f]

We can't have an economy where working for a living is both a privilege & a necessity.

Of course we can. Dickens didn't write entirely fictitious accounts.

Blustering degenerates naturally see themselves near the top of the totem, which they will be so long as they're loyal to the right people. Their privileges are real enough for a time given the fascist membership did pretty well while it lasted.

 

[Jhhnn]

Of course we can. Dickens didn't write entirely fictitious accounts.

Heh. Automation & information tech didn't penetrate English society at the time nearly so much as it does our world. They also suffered from real scarcity rather than the artificial scarcity we have in America. It didn't all run on credit at every level, either.

 

[raildogg]

That seems like that should be your cause. Instead of complaining about the inevitable maybe you should be thinking how humans can adapt and live in harmony with robots while feeling useful and not pursuing money and material things.

I'm more concerned with living in harmony with other human beings. Others can worry about living with robots if they want. Robots are an artificial thing designed by supposedly "real" humans. The more one thinks about it, we people are seemingly more artificial ourselves.

 

[agent00f]

Heh. Automation & information tech didn't penetrate English society at the time nearly so much as it does our world. They also suffered from real scarcity rather than the artificial scarcity we have in America. It didn't all run on credit at every level, either.

Well fortunately the OG membership of the Empire was saved by the resources, labor and otherwise, of new lesser subjects. And now we just have the latest generation looking to replicate that winning formula. I wouldn't say they were all well-intentioned but regrettably taken advantage of by their benefactors.

 

[cyclohexane]

It's not the government's duty to create jobs. Republicans hate big government, but apparently want the government to create jobs?

Prior to the 1930s, the federal government had no role in promoting jobs. Then FDR (the uber Librull) changed all that.

So why do trump supporters expect him to "bring our jobs back"? That is the definition of government over-reach and runs counter to conservatism.

Explain.

 

[ivwshane]

I'm more concerned with living in harmony with other human beings. Others can worry about living with robots if they want. Robots are an artificial thing designed by supposedly "real" humans. The more one thinks about it, we people are seemingly more artificial ourselves.

You missed the point.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's not the government's duty to create jobs. Republicans hate big government, but apparently want the government to create jobs?

Prior to the 1930s, the federal government had no role in promoting jobs. Then FDR (the uber Librull) changed all that.

So why do trump supporters expect him to "bring our jobs back"? That is the definition of government over-reach and runs counter to conservatism.

Explain.

They expect the govt to protect them against cheap foreign labor which is how they frame the issue entirely. It's mistaken, of course, because automation has taken far more jobs than offshoring. It's a convenient sop for Trump & for the post-truth era in general.

 

[greatnoob]

They expect the govt to protect them against cheap foreign labor which is how they frame the issue entirely. It's mistaken, of course, because automation has taken far more jobs than offshoring. It's a convenient sop for Trump & for the post-truth era in general.

Funny that they're for government intervention when it benefits them even though in this instance subsidising redundant jobs is BAD for the US' economy. So long as the uneducated Trumpets are catered for who cares about everybody else's wellbeing?

 

[Jhhnn]

Funny that they're for government intervention when it benefits them even though in this instance subsidising redundant jobs is BAD for the US' economy. So long as the uneducated Trumpets are catered for who cares about everybody else's wellbeing?

It's not just about Trump supporters but about all of us who aren't members of the financial elite. Concentration of power & income in this country is extreme and intensifying. It's the victory of wealth over working people. We let market forces built that, let the greediest people in the solar system take a bigger & bigger piece of the pie for decades. They won't give us any more than they have to. It's against their natures. So if we want more we'll have to take it in the form of taxes & regulations that actually create jobs in getting them to comply.

Trump supporters mistakenly believe that we can do so with other means, that we can play the game by the rules & with the values of the Wealthy & win. They've been taught to misidentify our true adversary, greed & lust for power at the top.

 

[agent00f]

It's not the government's duty to create jobs. Republicans hate big government, but apparently want the government to create jobs?

Prior to the 1930s, the federal government had no role in promoting jobs. Then FDR (the uber Librull) changed all that.

So why do trump supporters expect him to "bring our jobs back"? That is the definition of government over-reach and runs counter to conservatism.

Explain.

The simple & correct explanation that people who don't value integrity as a virtue will say whatever it takes to get what they want. In this case they don't want brown poors to get anything so they make up some bullshit as to why. Of course they want all the handouts themselves so will proclaim some other bullshit to get that. In practice it's often "defending the country" (from hapless dirt farmers halfway around the world), which by itself gets them half the federal budget.