Job automation - 25% of US Jobs on the Potential Chopping Block

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paperfist

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On that list how would you automate sales and lawyers?

How can stock traders and insurance companies not be on that list? If the work force goes down 25% there not much need for disability and workers comp insurance.
 
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On that list how would you automate sales and lawyers?

How can stock traders and insurance companies not be on that list? If the work force goes down 25% there not much need for disability and workers comp insurance.

Sales and lawyers? Both have already been done.

There was some article couple years back about a robot that could cite all kinds of previous cases, previous laws, etc....

As far as sales.... come on, that has been going away forever... The internet is an example of that.
 
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I slid under the door in the 80s doing what I do. It was three man crews, down from five man. You could still be a dummy, and work up. Then it went to two man crews. No dummies allowed. Now it's just me, and sometimes one other person. Can't cut anymore in the foreseeable future.
 

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Sales and lawyers? Both have already been done.

There was some article couple years back about a robot that could cite all kinds of previous cases, previous laws, etc....

As far as sales.... come on, that has been going away forever... The internet is an example of that.


Lawyers are definitely being automated. There will still be lawyers but not nearly as many. AI is being developed to augment the lawyers on staff so 5 can do what used to take 20. It's not if but when.
 

Red Squirrel

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Lawyers are definitely being automated. There will still be lawyers but not nearly as many. AI is being developed to augment the lawyers on staff so 5 can do what used to take 20. It's not if but when.

Technically anything law related would be easy enough to automate as law tends to be very black and white. They just need to write laws in a format that is more "computer friendly". It could be a standard. you then input parameters of an incident, and the evidence, and then it returns guilty/not guilty and the appropriate sentencing.

I don't know if I would like the idea behind such a system though... but I could see it. Then combine that system with live NSA data and people could actually be sentenced before they even commit a crime.
 

UglyCasanova

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I agree with your idea of computer friendly legal language. I’d think interpretation of case law wouldn’t be black and white though, especially when attempting to apply it around the events of the case at hand. Although I do know it’s happening. Business law perhaps.
 

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It's for the best if the jobs rendered obsolete by technological advancement give way to new jobs in new industries that will materialize as a result. But it will still be painful for everyone effected that will be looking for a new career. What concerns me the most however is the rate at which the landscape is changing.

Sure this process has been going on for centuries. But technology is moving at such an incredible rate now that the industry you go to college for today may have changed by the time you even graduate. Today's youth may need to change careers a dozen times over the course of their lifetime to remain relevant where as babyboomers may have only had to do it once or twice. And every time it requires increasingly costly college. We could all be in for a whole world of hurt...
 

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Sales and lawyers? Both have already been done.

There was some article couple years back about a robot that could cite all kinds of previous cases, previous laws, etc....

As far as sales.... come on, that has been going away forever... The internet is an example of that.

I mean real sales. People still go out and sell drugs to medical facilities, office supplies, IT services, propane, etc to business and there’s still car dealers, furniture dealers equipment salesmen, etc.

I’m not sure I’d hire a robot to defend me on murder charges, write up a contract or a will.
 
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I mean real sales. People still go out and sell drugs to medical facilities, office supplies, IT services, propane, etc to business and there’s still car dealers, furniture dealers equipment salesmen, etc.

I’m not sure I’d hire a robot to defend me on murder charges, write up a contract or a will.
In regards to "sales" I guess I would call that moreso lobbying... Not really actual sales.
 

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Everyone is going nuts over that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez...she's a new Democratic house member, and Fox News is having a fit because she suggested a 70% income tax. They never tell the whole story though:

-The 70% income tax is for income OVER $10 million
- We had 80-90% taxes in this level in the 1950's and '60s, considered the most prosperous time for the middle class
- Reaganomics in the 80's got rid of these taxes in favor of "trickle down economics"- wealth has been siphoned away from the middle class ever since

She's also getting hammered for socialism, but no pure form of economics is sustainable. The game Monopoly is 100% pure capitalism, and the winner is the person who gets all the money while everyone else goes bankrupt. This is what's happening now.

Until caps get put onto runaway wealth, we're all going to suffer. America in 100 years could look like a sci-fi dystopia where 50 families control the resources and food for the other 300 million.

It's actually extremely close to that right now....but I guarantee that there is a very fine line where mass murder and bloody revolution occurs before that happens. It absolutely sucks, but this is everything we know about history.

....it's also why those current billionaires are actually spending their fortunes on massive prepper bunkers, instead of on fixing the problems that will actually lead to the need for those bunkers (cheaper, by the why). so it goes. Humans are fucking dumb--and only dumber with the more wealth they accumulate.
 
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In regards to "sales" I guess I would call that moreso lobbying... Not really actual sales.

Naw they're sales. Millions of small business either hire out or do the sales work themselves. Not everyone buys from Amazon, especially when you're trying to get your product in grocery stores, Home Depot, Yankee stadium, etc. Just watch The Profit or Shark Tank. Ain't no robot gonna grind out sales like those people do.
 
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It is awesome in and of itself, but will require huge changes to the way societies and the world work. Cant keep having more population while at the same time decreasing the amount of jobs available. That is called a shit sandwich.
 

Mai72

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I had read that automation is going to come as waves. The first wave is due. With each wave, automation is going to get better and better.
 

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It is awesome in and of itself, but will require huge changes to the way societies and the world work. Cant keep having more population while at the same time decreasing the amount of jobs available. That is called a shit sandwich.

We need to get out of this whole system that requires people to work all their lives just to be able to survive. There's got to be a better way. There's less and less jobs and it's only going to get worse.
 

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We need to get out of this whole system that requires people to work all their lives just to be able to survive. There's got to be a better way. There's less and less jobs and it's only going to get worse.

First we need to start by banning all politicians and start (digitally) electing a minimal amount of representatives that work for the people and the good of the country.

Just curious, but in Canada does the government ship money off to support other countries? Do you have welfare and medicaid? Do you have an electoral college?
 

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First we need to start by banning all politicians and start (digitally) electing a minimal amount of representatives that work for the people and the good of the country.

Just curious, but in Canada does the government ship money off to support other countries? Do you have welfare and medicaid? Do you have an electoral college?

Yeah we need governments that actually work for the people. Get rid of all the lobbying and all the crap that goes on, and all the corruption. Need a completely fresh slate.

I do believe we ship off money a lot to other country, not 100% against giving aid, but our people do need to come first. Right now the big crisis is the illegal immigrants. They get better treatment than those trying to do it legally, and they get better treatment than our veterans and homeless. Billions and billions are being spent on them.

I don't really know about the intricate details of how the system works, but I know ours is different. When we vote we essentially vote for an MP that represents our riding/region. At the end, which ever party got the most seats determines who the prime minister is. This has it's ups and downs as a system and is not perfect. Trudeau promised to improve it, but of course he then broke that promise. Typical politician.

If ever you go in a sewage treatment plant, you can see large tanks filled with political promises. :p
 

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About the 10 minute mark J. Peterson goes into IQ, and the armed forces. They found thru testing on their end that people with an IQ of 83 or less are not fit for the armed forces. J. Peterson goes on to say that about 10% of the US population has an IQ of 83 or less. That's 32 million Americans. He goes on to say that our society is becoming increasingly complex. What do you do with these people? Automation is only going to excerbate this issue, because most of the low skill jobs that would go to these people are going to be eliminated. Do we just ignore this? He goes on to state that "giving money to people doesn't work." I agree. Universal basic income is a bad idea. The video is very interesting.
 

Mai72

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We need to get out of this whole system that requires people to work all their lives just to be able to survive. There's got to be a better way. There's less and less jobs and it's only going to get worse.

That is where war, disease, natural disasters were an asset. They would bring down the populace. Today, we aren't fighting a major war. We currently are doing a great job with fighting illnesses and major diseases. People are living longer. Natural disasters are a problem but not like it was 100 years ago. I know that nobody likes to talk about it, but the world is getting way too crowded. We might need an epidemic or two. IMO, something big is going to happen in the near future. It will be earths way of restructing so humanity can thrive once again.
 

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Automation is programmed by humans so it is not entirely capable of replacing humans.

There are good things that can only be produced by hand.

I have a history of buying things I witnessed being made by a human before.

I am not totally unaware of the importance of human controlled business.

Who wants automation? Not the employers I have had in the last 10 years. I have been a salesman before and might sell stuff again.

I know my market better than a computer program. I see no evidence that intelligence can come from an artificial source. Smart people make better decisions than computers do.
 
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About the 10 minute mark J. Peterson goes into IQ, and the armed forces. They found thru testing on their end that people with an IQ of 83 or less are not fit for the armed forces. J. Peterson goes on to say that about 10% of the US population has an IQ of 83 or less. That's 32 million Americans. He goes on to say that our society is becoming increasingly complex. What do you do with these people? Automation is only going to excerbate this issue, because most of the low skill jobs that would go to these people are going to be eliminated. Do we just ignore this? He goes on to state that "giving money to people doesn't work." I agree. Universal basic income is a bad idea. The video is very interesting.


Careful now - Don't let the lefties catch you watching that.... Jordan Peterson is a nazi alt-right
 

Mai72

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Which is why Basic Income is going to be required for Developed Countries to even function.

I doubt that it will happen in our lifetime, and even if it does how much money do you really think the government is going to dole out to each individual unable to work? My guess is, not much. It will probably be like getting a SSI check. Maybe $700 a month if you're lucky. Good luck surviving on that.
 

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About the 10 minute mark J. Peterson goes into IQ, and the armed forces. They found thru testing on their end that people with an IQ of 83 or less are not fit for the armed forces. J. Peterson goes on to say that about 10% of the US population has an IQ of 83 or less. That's 32 million Americans. He goes on to say that our society is becoming increasingly complex. What do you do with these people? Automation is only going to excerbate this issue, because most of the low skill jobs that would go to these people are going to be eliminated. Do we just ignore this? He goes on to state that "giving money to people doesn't work." I agree. Universal basic income is a bad idea. The video is very interesting.

We place them in STEM positions.