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Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
I always ask. Why would you apply for a job if you didn't know how much it paid?
I wouldn't outright ask for it unless they show some interest in you. For instance, when you initially submit your resume, don't bring it up. Just send a real nice cover letter along with your resume and wait to hear back. IF you hear back and they're interested, that would be an appropriate time to ask for a general idea regarding salary.
First, it takes 10 seconds to send said email. You should have a standard cover letter that is easily/quickly tailorable to the position for which you're applying. This really isn't any hair off your back, especially now that email submissions are just as acceptable (and preferred) as snail mail.
Second, if their first interaction with you is "how much money will you give me", they're going to forget you so fast your head will spin. I could write a book on why that would reflect extremely poorly on you. Don't do it.
Lastly, you should already know what typical salaries in your area are for your given field. Yeah, occassionally you'll come across some clown that doesn't know what they're doing and they'll want to pay you $2/hour to do everything from clean the toilets to project 2009's annual sales, but that's the exception rather than the rule.
This is the way it's done. Honestly, unless you're particularly talented (and it's apparent to the recruiter by looking at your resume/cover) and your skill set is difficult to locate, you're kind of pushing your luck a bit by not waiting until your first face-to-face. You want to give them every opportunity to bring this up themselves so you can avoid looking like you care for nothing other than the dollar figure. Surely, you wouldn't walk out of your first face-to-face without having an idea, but you'll certainly give them every possible chance to relieve you of having to be the first to mention it.
RichUK
Lifer
Sorry i'm bored. I would go ahead and email them, there's nothing wrong with finding out the basic rate they will offer. If you require a minimum salary, you would want to find out first before wasting your time finding this out in an interview, if you were to get one. That?s they way i look at it.
MixMasterTang
Diamond Member
Then put a Salary requirement on your cover letter, if it's out of their range then they won't contact you.
I get the impression that you disagree with what we're (okay, mostly me) saying, and that's okay. I work on both sides of this fence so I have a pretty good understanding when it comes to etiquette in these situations. I just want to point out that no matter how much you try prove that it's okay to open with "how much do you pay", it won't change the fact that if you do it, you *will not get the job*. You won't get the job, you won't get the interview, and chances are, you won't even get a phonecall.
I'm definitely not trying to be a dick... just trying to help you not learn this the hard way. The approach you're thinking about taking *might* fly in some extremely rare circumstances, but only at companies that are desperate and/or very inexperienced at hiring people. These are companies you wouldn't want to work for even if they bought you a house as a signing bonus.
I'm definitely not trying to be a dick... just trying to help you not learn this the hard way. The approach you're thinking about taking *might* fly in some extremely rare circumstances, but only at companies that are desperate and/or very inexperienced at hiring people. These are companies you wouldn't want to work for even if they bought you a house as a signing bonus.
Salary.com among many, many others.
I will admit that it can be tricky in situations where the position advertised in some home-grown position with some made-up title that is only relevant to *that* company. In those cases you'll either have to bite the bullet and just spend that 10 seconds to submit your resume, or you can try to estimate what they'll pay based on the skills they're looking for.
If all they're looking for are basic MS Office skills and nothing else, then you can basically find out what a secretary would make in your area.
But like I said, it's not going to require much effort at all on your part to just submit your resume/cover and try to address this over the phone. Investment: 10 seconds to submit + 10 minute phone coversation.
Get your paper in front of them first.
Then if they show interest in you; you can discretely ask.
Or just put up a poll by the 10K range here on OT.
Remember, that shifting fields means you MAY not get the equivalent pay as someone with your years but within the same field.
Because if you do it your way, you won't get an interview. It doesn't matter how much it pays if you offend them on your very first impression. First impressions are for showcasing your personality and giving them a reason to give you a second thought. If you waste that chance to find out how much they're willing to pay, you're finished.
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