mmntech
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destrekor
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If you ever find Topher Grace's edit, do me a favor and shoot me a PM, k? I was just scouring the net and couldn't find it myself.
destrekor
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That would basically be it. Remember that they never focused much on high-tech lifestyles in 4-6, whereas in 1-3 you are also following some of the noble class and senators and within the empire itself. So as you said, it makes sense that tech that was found in the prequel wasn't seen in 4-6.
People bitching about CGI need to stop. Lucas pushed the envelope in 1-3, and the movie industry as a whole was better off for it. Does it look a little bit dated now? Yes. But Lucas pushed effects in the original trilogy as well and it changed in the industry. He is/was a pioneer, always has been when it comes to that type of stuff. I'll admit he cant direct worth a crap, however he can tell a story, and nobody can take that away from him. You only need to watch clone wars to see that he is very good at story.
I have my problems with the prequels just like everyone else. But at the end of the day we wanted the backstory of the fall of Darth Vader, and now we know how it happened. Shitty acting aside, you get the jist of it and we are better off for it.
As for the new ones, they are going to pay homage to the original trilogy, while using a little bit different artistic style to make the movies feel more modern.
I have my problems with the prequels just like everyone else. But at the end of the day we wanted the backstory of the fall of Darth Vader, and now we know how it happened. Shitty acting aside, you get the jist of it and we are better off for it.
As for the new ones, they are going to pay homage to the original trilogy, while using a little bit different artistic style to make the movies feel more modern.
BoberFett
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Yes. Now we know that Darth Vader had no actual father, his mother was spontaneously impregnated by microscopic organisms. And he built C-3PO and knew R2-D2.
Face it, the story telling (which is really the only thing that matters) was shit.
irishScott
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The prequels could actually use a reboot. The basic plot outline isn't bad: a young, unusually talented boy starts off innocent. Because he appears to be the harbinger of a prophecy, the usual safeguards against corruption are bypassed (ironically, this is an act of corruption). As a result the boy becomes corrupted, and the prophecy is fulfilled.
There's a lot you can do with those themes, but the devil is in the details, and that's where George royally screwed the pooch. I enjoyed the prequels as a kid, (I was in 7th grade when Episode I came out), I even thought Jar Jar was hilarious. But as an adult I admit they're all shitty movies. The 3rd was the best, but even it had serious issues.
I think the issue is George Lucas never took his franchise all that seriously. He seems to think it was just fun, goofy sci-fi for kids that he could use to make money; I've never seen an oz of passion out of him for what he created. Hence the reason he made Greedo shoot first (because God forbid you teach a kid to shoot someone already pointing a gun at you and saying he's going to kill you) and the prequels more colorful and flashy with less substance.
Given that JJ has always said he was a Star Wars fan first, and never really got into Star Trek, I'm confident he'll do the franchise justice. The more I see, the more confident I get. Hell the Star-Wars-ification of the Star Trek movies are evidence enough of how he thinks.
There's a lot you can do with those themes, but the devil is in the details, and that's where George royally screwed the pooch. I enjoyed the prequels as a kid, (I was in 7th grade when Episode I came out), I even thought Jar Jar was hilarious. But as an adult I admit they're all shitty movies. The 3rd was the best, but even it had serious issues.
I think the issue is George Lucas never took his franchise all that seriously. He seems to think it was just fun, goofy sci-fi for kids that he could use to make money; I've never seen an oz of passion out of him for what he created. Hence the reason he made Greedo shoot first (because God forbid you teach a kid to shoot someone already pointing a gun at you and saying he's going to kill you) and the prequels more colorful and flashy with less substance.
Given that JJ has always said he was a Star Wars fan first, and never really got into Star Trek, I'm confident he'll do the franchise justice. The more I see, the more confident I get. Hell the Star-Wars-ification of the Star Trek movies are evidence enough of how he thinks.
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SlitheryDee
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This is something I can at least postulate on. The Star Wars universe is apparently very old. Technology long ago reached the point where most of it isn't going to get much better any time soon. You could look 1000 years in the past or in the future and things really would look much the same from a technological standpoint. There has been enough time for civilization to meddle with artificial intelligence, realize it's a bad idea, and outlaw it. There's been enough time for races to reach high levels of technological development and then slowly backslide into a lower state due to rebellions and whatnot. There is probably more rediscovery of old tech than there is truly new advancements in the Star Wars universe, all the while something else is slowly being forgotten. The net result is a pretty static state of technology for a very long time. In episodes 1-3 perhaps society DID possess moderately higher levels of technology due to not being shattered by war or under the thumb of an oppressive empire.
clamum
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Oh yeah, that is an excellent intro. It's actually one of the best movie intros I've seen, IMO.
Fanatical Meat
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WHAT the original Wrath of Khan was not entertaining? Blasphemy!
Seriously Wrath of Khan to this day is one of the best man films I've seen.
William Gaatjes
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I think the problem was the over use of green screen techniques without the use of props to create the proper ambiance. Only a seasoned stage actor can use his or hers imagination enough to fool him/her self actually being in a city or in a chamber filled with hot lava. When your just jumping on wooden panels, and there is no heat, no real danger...
I feel this is the problem with a lot of special effects movies. The actors and actresses themselves are not convinced and thus not convincing to the audience. With Avatar, it looked convincing because of the richness of the scenes and because it looked a bit animated it was still believable. It had the right ambiance for an animation movie.
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William Gaatjes
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Yeah, that scene in in part three where she realizes what Anakin has become and starts to cry.
Fanatical Meat
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or "Hold me like you held me by the lake in Naboo" ugh worst line ever, worst delivery of that line ever.
Natalie Portman never did it for me, yes she is attractive I simply don't fawn over her.
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Homerboy
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Sonikku
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Anakin's father (or closest thing to it) was darth plagueis. He abused the Force by manipulating midichlorians to create the ultimate Force user. It's touched upon lightly in Episode 3.
Homerboy
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Are you two freaking nuts? It's a CGI masturbation. It's WAY overly convoluted and stupid. The opening to Episode IV is (and I don't use this term lightly or often, and hate it's being watered down by society, but it rightfully applies here) EPIC.
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MongGrel
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I think he probably meant entertaining again
One of the few reboots I have ever liked myself.
+1
I thought the intro was the best thing about the movie.
Saw it in an IMAX the day it opened, the way it opened up into the huge battle was pretty awesome.
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MongGrel
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ViperXX
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I agree. The older Star trek movies always had some underlying hippie theme in them. Save the whales.
MongGrel
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I'll stop going off topic myself, sorry about that, this isn't a Star Trek thread per say.
The originals in the 60's were pretty much like that to begin with considering the mixed cast etc and the whole socialist way things worked at the time was pretty groundbreaking.
MongGrel
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