Jimmy Kimmel Unloads on Aaron ‘Karen’ Rodgers for COVID Vaccine Lies

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Jaskalas

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Rogers can go fuck himself over this. He put those around him at risk with his deception and stupidity.

That is a narrative I cannot abide. It defies all that is known about COVID.

Fact: Vaccinated just as likely to spread delta variant within household as unvaccinated

We have known since Provincetown parties in July that the vaccinated also catch and spread COVID. Because this disease is simply beyond containment. It out paces even enhanced immune responses.

Anyone who is at risk from COVID, is also at risk from the vaccinated as well.
 
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Torn Mind

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That is a narrative I cannot abide. It defies all that is known about COVID.

Fact: Vaccinated just as likely to spread delta variant within household as unvaccinated

We have known since Provincetown parties in July that the vaccinated also catch and spread COVID. Because this disease is simply beyond containment. It out paces even enhanced immune responses.

Anyone who is at risk from COVID, is also at risk from the vaccinated as well.
Joe Barry and Devante Adams tested positive after their game against Washington, both of whom were vaccinated. As a Washington fan, that raised a little concern that it would spread after the game to the Washington team, but it did not.

As an unvaccinated, Rodgers is subject to stricter testing routines; he gets tested every day while his vaccinated teammates do not. This was mentioned in his long "interview" and one of the more compelling points--other points he made weren't as compelling or even totally uncompelling but that part was.

Rodgers was not case 0, but it is possible the weekly cadence of testing his vaccinated teammates might have allowed perhaps that one teammate to get very short infection in which it came and went between the days vaccinated players had to be tested.

It is unlikely Rodgers himself will be occupying an ICU bed, thus the only way his infection is materially dangerous to the community is if someone he was in contact with got it from him and then had someone vulnerable contract it.
 

brycejones

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That is a narrative I cannot abide. It defies all that is known about COVID.

Fact: Vaccinated just as likely to spread delta variant within household as unvaccinated

We have known since Provincetown parties in July that the vaccinated also catch and spread COVID. Because this disease is simply beyond containment. It out paces even enhanced immune responses.

Anyone who is at risk from COVID, is also at risk from the vaccinated as well.
Are vaccinated people as likely to become infected and spread it too others as the unvaccinated?

Your post is borderline dishonest as fuck. Unvaccinated people are more likely to catch and spread COVID to others. That there are so many still present in America increases the risks for everyone.
 
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fskimospy

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That is a narrative I cannot abide. It defies all that is known about COVID.

Fact: Vaccinated just as likely to spread delta variant within household as unvaccinated

We have known since Provincetown parties in July that the vaccinated also catch and spread COVID. Because this disease is simply beyond containment. It out paces even enhanced immune responses.

Anyone who is at risk from COVID, is also at risk from the vaccinated as well.
Uhmm, if you actually read the story their results showed a reduction in transmission of nearly 40%. The headline is false and should be retracted.
 

kage69

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Sure he lied and endangered all those around him, did a CTE PSA in the form of an unhinged, mind-numbingly stupid rant about both persecution and shameless self-promotion mixed with GQP nuttery.

But did he commit a true crime against America and those who love it by taking a knee during a national anthem?

I rest my case. Check mate woke libs.
 
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skyking

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That is a narrative I cannot abide. It defies all that is known about COVID.

Fact: Vaccinated just as likely to spread delta variant within household as unvaccinated

We have known since Provincetown parties in July that the vaccinated also catch and spread COVID. Because this disease is simply beyond containment. It out paces even enhanced immune responses.

Anyone who is at risk from COVID, is also at risk from the vaccinated as well.
From the OP link.
“He hasn’t been wearing a mask, even where it’s required, and at one point, he claimed he was ‘immunized,’ but looking back at when he said it, it should have been obvious that he was not.”

Yes he can go fuck himself and your bullshit misquoted article with a proper lancet study at the heart of it is typical cherry picking.
Go read the article.
He could have easily kept masking and kept up his lies, but his give-a-shit was broken by Dr. Joe Rogan and the Ivermectin crowd.
 

kage69

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From the OP link.
“He hasn’t been wearing a mask, even where it’s required, and at one point, he claimed he was ‘immunized,’ but looking back at when he said it, it should have been obvious that he was not.”

Yes he can go fuck himself and your bullshit misquoted article with a proper lancet study at the heart of it is typical cherry picking.
Go read the article.
He could have easily kept masking and kept up his lies, but his give-a-shit was broken by Dr. Joe Rogan and the Ivermectin crowd.

Sorry man, he can't abide... common sense, points of order, medical info with context. Let him know when you want to talk about civil war though, or need the pulse of talk radio.
 

uclaLabrat

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That is a narrative I cannot abide. It defies all that is known about COVID.

Fact: Vaccinated just as likely to spread delta variant within household as unvaccinated

We have known since Provincetown parties in July that the vaccinated also catch and spread COVID. Because this disease is simply beyond containment. It out paces even enhanced immune responses.

Anyone who is at risk from COVID, is also at risk from the vaccinated as well.
That is not at all a fact, it's actually completely bullshit. The initial data showed that viral titers in the nose and airways due to the delta variant were similar in vaccinated vs unvaccinated, but vaccinated people decrease their viral load much kore quickly than unvaccinated (reduced in 5 days as opposed to 10).

Does having the same viral load mean you're just as infectious? I think that's a reasonable assumption in the absence of data. However, we now have data which shows that to be wrong:
"COVID vaccines cut the risk of transmitting Delta — but not for long" https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y

Being vaccinated and staying on top of the booster schedule means you're quite a bit less likely to spread even the delta variant, and this repeated bullshit above is just that.

Moreover, as the nature article points out, you're also less likely to become infected in the first place, and you can't spread what you don't have. Vaccines reduce spread at every point in the transmission chain.

And finally, Rodgers WASN'T FUCKING IMMUNIZED, he was just unvaccinated. He either lied or was dumb enough to believe that homeopathy is good for fucking ANYTHING, which it's not. It's sugar and water. He's a tool for thinking it was even beneficial.

And fuck his hydroxychloroquine/ivermectin spouting ass. What a colossal idiot.
 

Pohemi

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That is a narrative I cannot abide. It defies all that is known about COVID.

Fact: Vaccinated just as likely to spread delta variant within household as unvaccinated

We have known since Provincetown parties in July that the vaccinated also catch and spread COVID. Because this disease is simply beyond containment. It out paces even enhanced immune responses.

Anyone who is at risk from COVID, is also at risk from the vaccinated as well.
You didn't even bother reading the article, did you? Your above post is incredibly ignorant.
That is not at all a fact, it's actually completely bullshit.

Being vaccinated and staying on top of the booster schedule means you're quite a bit less likely to spread even the delta variant, and this repeated bullshit above is just that.
Are vaccinated people as likely to become infected and spread it too others as the unvaccinated?

Your post is borderline dishonest as fuck.
Borderline at best...disingenuous as fuck is more like it, unless you're simply an ignoramus who knows jack shit about the actual science. If that's the case, you probably shouldn't try to sound like you know the subject, isn't that right @Jaskalas ?
 

allisolm

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Well, the NFL fined the Green Bay Packers $300,000 for not properly enforcing safety protocols and fined Rodgers $14,650 for attending a Halloween party. With his yearly salary being over $20,000,000 that must really smart. :rolleyes:

 
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soundforbjt

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Well, the NFL fined the Green Bay Packers $300,000 for not properly enforcing safety protocols and fined Rodgers $14,650 for attending a Halloween party. With his yearly salary being over $20,000,000 that must really smart. :rolleyes:

The equivalent of $38 to the average person.
 

Jaskalas

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Uhmm, if you actually read the story their results showed a reduction in transmission of nearly 40%. The headline is false and should be retracted.

By what measure?

In contrast, researchers noted that the vaccination was more effective at curbing transmission of the alpha variant within the household, at between 40 and 50 percent.

Maybe you should read the article.... almost all the COVID spreading these days is Delta, because it multiplies twice as fast as the original strain. A benefit against Alpha is no benefit at all. And what, you were trying to split hairs with percentages? Even if you had been correct, that was hardly a material challenge to my point.

The initial data showed that viral titers in the nose and airways due to the delta variant were similar in vaccinated vs unvaccinated, but vaccinated people decrease their viral load much kore quickly than unvaccinated (reduced in 5 days as opposed to 10).

My argument is supported. Being vaccinated does not stop transmission.

People will primarily infect others at the onset, especially before they know they are ill. Not the later stages. Not when they feel ill and stay home. That we vaccinated will have better outcomes WILL NOT end the pandemic. It will simply protect us better. As such, you have no logical reason to attack the unvaccinated as spreading COVID. We all spread COVID.
 
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fskimospy

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By what measure?

Maybe you should read the article.... almost all the COVID spreading these days is Delta, because it multiplies twice as fast as the original strain. A benefit against Alpha is no benefit at all. And what, you were trying to split hairs with percentages? Even if you had been correct, that was hardly a material challenge to my point.
I did read the article - did you?

The study further found that 25% of vaccinated household contacts contracted COVID-19 while 38% of unvaccinated individuals were diagnosed with the disease.

That's a reduction in transmission of almost 40%. The headline of the article is false and should be retracted.
 
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brycejones

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By what measure?



Maybe you should read the article.... almost all the COVID spreading these days is Delta, because it multiplies twice as fast as the original strain. A benefit against Alpha is no benefit at all. And what, you were trying to split hairs with percentages? Even if you had been correct, that was hardly a material challenge to my point.



My argument is supported. Being vaccinated does not stop transmission.

People will primarily infect others at the onset, especially before they know they are ill. Not the later stages. Not when they feel ill and stay home. That we vaccinated will have better outcomes WILL NOT end the pandemic. It will simply protect us better. As such, you have no logical reason to attack the unvaccinated as spreading COVID. We all spread COVID.


It seems the one thing you cannot abide is the truth.
 

JD50

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By what measure?



Maybe you should read the article.... almost all the COVID spreading these days is Delta, because it multiplies twice as fast as the original strain. A benefit against Alpha is no benefit at all. And what, you were trying to split hairs with percentages? Even if you had been correct, that was hardly a material challenge to my point.



My argument is supported. Being vaccinated does not stop transmission.

People will primarily infect others at the onset, especially before they know they are ill. Not the later stages. Not when they feel ill and stay home. That we vaccinated will have better outcomes WILL NOT end the pandemic. It will simply protect us better. As such, you have no logical reason to attack the unvaccinated as spreading COVID. We all spread COVID.

This is easy, let's ignore everything else just for the sake of argument.

Fine, if we get COVID we all spread COVID. Unvaccinated people are more likely to catch COVID. Can you follow this to it's logical conclusion or do you need more help?
 

Jaskalas

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I did read the article - did you?

That's a reduction in transmission of almost 40%. The headline of the article is false and should be retracted.
Your argument seems aside from my own. Regardless, I will tackle it.

First, my point is further demonstrated.
COVID is beyond stopping. Vaccinated or not, it will spread. Demonstrated through multiple data points, starting with Delta's emergence (among the vaccinated) in July.

Second, your hair splitting is based on a false premise. They specifically studied symptomatic people. Guess who is less likely to be symptomatic when in contact with COVID? The vaccinated. When studying the connection among ONLY symptomatic family members, the data will naturally show that difference you seized upon. Bonus round: Asymptomatic people still carry a transmissible viral load. Ergo, that difference won't help prevent the spread of COVID.
 
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Straight from the study for our recent unrepentantly right wing moron of the thread.

In our cohort of densely sampled household contacts exposed to the delta variant, SAR was 38% in unvaccinated contacts and 25% in fully vaccinated contacts.

Then again, this is captain "both sides" so not surprising he can't tell the difference between 25% and 38%, its pretty much the same to him.
 

fskimospy

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Your argument seems aside from my own. Regardless, I will tackle it.

First, my point is further demonstrated.
COVID is beyond stopping. Vaccinated or not, it will spread. Demonstrated through multiple data points, starting with Delta's emergence (among the vaccinated) in July.
Your link proves my point, not yours. It specifically mentions how the unvaccinated areas are seeing massively higher cases than vaccinated ones, indicating that vaccination is in fact effective at curbing transmission.

Second, your hair splitting is based on a false premise. They specifically studied symptomatic people. Guess who is less likely to be symptomatic when in contact with COVID? The vaccinated. When studying the connection among ONLY symptomatic family members, the data will naturally show that difference you seized upon. Bonus round: Asymptomatic people still carry a transmissible viral load. Ergo, that difference won't help prevent the spread of COVID.
This isn't hair splitting at all, it's literally the whole point!
 

SmCaudata

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Your argument seems aside from my own. Regardless, I will tackle it.

First, my point is further demonstrated.
COVID is beyond stopping. Vaccinated or not, it will spread. Demonstrated through multiple data points, starting with Delta's emergence (among the vaccinated) in July.

Second, your hair splitting is based on a false premise. They specifically studied symptomatic people. Guess who is less likely to be symptomatic when in contact with COVID? The vaccinated. When studying the connection among ONLY symptomatic family members, the data will naturally show that difference you seized upon. Bonus round: Asymptomatic people still carry a transmissible viral load. Ergo, that difference won't help prevent the spread of COVID.
Your first article showed that household transmission was 25% to vaccinated family VS 38% to unvaccinated. That is a 34% reduction in testing positive if you are vaccinated. I didn't read the actual Lancet article, and I'm just treating the news article as fact. So, if everyone was vaccinated we have a mutiplicative 34% reduction in spread for every round. That seems pretty good to me. 4 rounds gets us under 2% infected. It cited 40 to 50% for alpha. Honestly 34% is probably not of statistical significance given that these are not case controlled studies, but to keep you happy I'll act like it is.

Here is another article that looks at the Lancet study in a more holistic view.

Vaccinations protect the vaccinated from severe disease and death by a large amount.
Vaccination reduces chance of contracting virus by 35 - 50% based on that first news article you posted.
Vaccinations reduce viral loads, which reduces infectivity of a person. This is not well quantified.

So in conclusions vaccines slow the spread. The COVID vaccine is like all other vaccines, in absence of 90% vaccination rate (including kids) we aren't going to eradicate the virus. Vaccine hesitancy due to concerns over efficacy is a self-fulfilling prophecy, nothing more.