Jimmy Carter was a crappy president.

[DAPUNISHER]

This is like an episode of Hannity&Colmes, but without all the debaters shouting over each other 😉 As to A&E/biography being impartial and completely factual and unbiased, give me your paypal e-mail so I can send you some cash to buy a clue! 😛

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
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Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
WWII is what brought us out of the Great Depression. FDR's "New Deal" had little or nothing to do with it. Without WWII the depression would have dragged on and on and on and on, etc

so when the economy is bad go to war, seems like that's what's about happen
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No, not at all. These days war has little effect on the economy. If anything it can have a slightly negative effect on it.


Ya but keeps peoples minds off the economy, good for relection and poll ratings, rally around the leader, it all plays into georges hand

Yeah unless more than a handful of American Soldiers die and the bills add up for conquering and occupying Iraq. Then Dubya could be in for some definate heat. Of course If Dubya is true to his word that doesn't matter as long as Hussien is removed and the wold becomes a safer place

 

[sandorski]

The New Deal gave American's an option other than all out Communism. It was as much an Economic Stimulus as it was a Maintaining of Order. Those who pooh pooh it and would never consider doing such a thing may one day find themselves being overthrown by an angry mob.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: outriding

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
WWII is what brought us out of the Great Depression. FDR's "New Deal" had little or nothing to do with it. Without WWII the depression would have dragged on and on and on and on, etc

so when the economy is bad go to war, seems like that's what's about happen

war used to do that but now it really doesn't. if it did we should have been rocking after the vietnam war.

yea i know WWII did nip the great depression in the but, but the new deal was a start and it was showing signs of progress.

at the start of his ( FDR ) administration there was about 13 million unemployed by 1935-6 he had created about 8 million jobs. but it was at the expense of the goverment. the whole idea was those newly created jobs was going to get the economy going again and stupid hitler had to start killing people. because of that we really don't know truly how successful the "new deal" was going to be.

The New Deal would not have worked over the long haul. Yes, things like the W.P.A. were great and helped a lot of people put food on the table, as well as built a lot of infrastructure, but it could not have lasted for long because it would have bankrupted the government.

And has ANYONE ever even implied that we should have continued that state of affairs long term?? the New deal was intended to be and was a SHORT term deal.

When are you right wingers going to admit that extreme circumstances call for extreme measures. Just because a Democrat authored the New deal does not make this a policy of the LEFT. it was the ONLY POSSIBLE scenario at the time.

do you really think we should have attempted some type of trickle down while the majority were starving??

I never said the New Deal shouldn't have been done. What I said was that it was at best a short term solution. If WWII had not come along the New Deal would have collapsed due to lack of funds. It was a good thing at the time since it provided jobs and much needed public works.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
This is like an episode of Hannity&Colmes, but without all the debaters shouting over each other 😉 As to A&E/biography being impartial and completely factual and unbiased, give me your paypal e-mail so I can send you some cash to buy a clue! 😛

I don't use paypal nor do I need a clue. What have you read about President Reagan? What have you studied about him? You might want to try reading up on the man and what he did, not what some left winger would have you believe. I've read the good and the bad about him and have a very positive opinion of the man. He was not perfect, but he was the right man at the right time and was exactly what this country needed. To deny that fact is akin to denying that the sky is blue.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
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Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
WWII is what brought us out of the Great Depression. FDR's "New Deal" had little or nothing to do with it. Without WWII the depression would have dragged on and on and on and on, etc

so when the economy is bad go to war, seems like that's what's about happen
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No, not at all. These days war has little effect on the economy. If anything it can have a slightly negative effect on it.


Ya but keeps peoples minds off the economy, good for relection and poll ratings, rally around the leader, it all plays into georges hand

You're an idiot. How about you try coming up with an original thought instead of just spouting something you heard on tv......

 

[jahawkin]

Looks like even more of the Reagan mythology is coming out of the woodwork......Honestly, are there any current economists that subscribe to "trickle-down economics"?

 

[HappyGamer2]

Yeah unless more than a handful of American Soldiers die and the bills add up for conquering and occupying Iraq. Then Dubya could be in for some definate heat. Of course If Dubya is true to his word that doesn't matter as long as Hussien is removed and the wold becomes a safer place

well so far things haven't gone so good for Dubya, the war in Afgan went somewhat ok, but it's not over. So Dubya has to have something to keep things rolling and lets say Dubya doesn't get relected, he wants something for his followers to put him on a pedestal: he got rid of Saddam that maybe his only claim to fame in the end.

occupying Iraq we will be doing maybe for many years, unless france and germany take over after we get sick of it, now won't that be something, LOL

 

[SoylentGreen]

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2

Yeah unless more than a handful of American Soldiers die and the bills add up for conquering and occupying Iraq. Then Dubya could be in for some definate heat. Of course If Dubya is true to his word that doesn't matter as long as Hussien is removed and the wold becomes a safer place

well so far things haven't gone so good for Dubya, the war in Afgan went somewhat ok, but it's not over. So Dubya has to have something to keep things rolling and lets say Dubya doesn't get relected, he wants something for his followers to put him on a pedestal: he got rid of Saddam that maybe his only claim to fame in the end.

occupying Iraq we will be doing maybe for many years, unless france and germany take over after we get sick of it, now won't that be something, LOL

France

and

Germany.

Yea. LOL

 

[Wheatmaster]

but he's a great ex!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
This is like an episode of Hannity&Colmes, but without all the debaters shouting over each other 😉 As to A&E/biography being impartial and completely factual and unbiased, give me your paypal e-mail so I can send you some cash to buy a clue! 😛

I don't use paypal nor do I need a clue. What have you read about President Reagan? What have you studied about him? You might want to try reading up on the man and what he did, not what some left winger would have you believe. I've read the good and the bad about him and have a very positive opinion of the man. He was not perfect, but he was the right man at the right time and was exactly what this country needed. To deny that fact is akin to denying that the sky is blue.

I meant to imply no such thing, Reagan was a good egg 🙂 My assessment of A&E was meant to convey my cynicism concerning the ability of any form of media to be truely impartial and lacking in the dissemination of dis/misinformation. The comment about buying a clue was just me being quasi-facetious by implying you are naive which most certainly isn't the case. I would suggest you take a deep breath and release the tension that is eminating from your posts as you seem to take this rhetorical, politically partisan debate very seriously and take umbrage or at the very least react mirthlessly to any quip directed at you 😉

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
This is like an episode of Hannity&Colmes, but without all the debaters shouting over each other 😉 As to A&E/biography being impartial and completely factual and unbiased, give me your paypal e-mail so I can send you some cash to buy a clue! 😛

I don't use paypal nor do I need a clue. What have you read about President Reagan? What have you studied about him? You might want to try reading up on the man and what he did, not what some left winger would have you believe. I've read the good and the bad about him and have a very positive opinion of the man. He was not perfect, but he was the right man at the right time and was exactly what this country needed. To deny that fact is akin to denying that the sky is blue.

I meant to imply no such thing, Reagan was a good egg 🙂 My assessment of A&E was meant to convey my cynicism concerning the ability of any form of media to be truely impartial and lacking in the dissemination of dis/misinformation. The comment about buying a clue was just me being quasi-facetious by implying you are naive which most certainly isn't the case. I would suggest you take a deep breath and release the tension that is eminating from your posts as you seem to take this rhetorical, politically partisan debate very seriously and take umbrage or at the very least react mirthlessly to any quip directed at you 😉

I do take this somewhat seriously and the reason why is my background in history. I overreacted to your post because I was caught up in reading some of the garbage other people had posted. It's just that I get so sick and tired of people spouting revisionist history about Reagan that I can't help but get angry. Of course hearing people spout revisionist history of any kind really gets my blood boiling. Sadly most people don't know any better or care to learn the truth. History is seen as something that is unimportant and generally laughed at when you say you studied it. Just look at who usually teaches it in high school, coaches, and it's easy to see that history is considered an afterthought by most school systems. Then when people enter college the programs are usually full of left learning revisionist who do everything they can to paint the U.S. and it's contributions to the world as being only moderately important and that Republican Presidents for the most part are just a tick or two away from being evil.

 

[HappyGamer2]

Kiyup got a new face, It's a pretty cool one, I dig it.

shinerburke: he is alot fun, calls me a 12 year old idiot, he is cool. I dig it. LOL😀 but his view on history is twisted, he most have been brainwashed somewere in life he just hasn't woken up to that fact yet. oh ya I had some those high school history coaches, they were all rightwingers

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
Kiyup got a new face, It's a pretty cool one, I dig it.

shinerburke: he is alot fun, calls me a 12 year old idiot, he is cool. I dig it. LOL😀 but his view on history is twisted, he most have been brainwashed somewere in life he just hasn't woken up to that fact yet. oh ya I had some those high school history coaches, they were all rightwingers

A twisted view on history huh? You might want to go back and read my post where I responded to Red Dawn asking me about my Masters Degree.

 

[HappyGamer2]

yous gots a masters degrees in histories, sures don'ts seems thats ways, could have fooled mes😉

 

[SoylentGreen]

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
Kiyup got a new face, It's a pretty cool one, I dig it.

If I am understood by the minority, my opinion is wrong.

If I am understood by the majority, my opinion is wrong.

It is my opinion.

I won't budge it for the minority nor majority. Too bad.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
yous gots a masters degrees in histories, sures don'ts seems thats ways, could have fooled mes😉

I'll listen to you once you get a better command of the English language and can spell words like axis properly.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2


shinerburke: he is alot fun, calls me a 12 year old idiot, he is cool. I dig it. LOL😀 but his view on history is twisted, he most have been brainwashed somewere in life he just hasn't woken up to that fact yet. oh ya I had some those high school history coaches, they were all rightwingers

He is passionate about history which is commendable, my father is a WWII decorated vet who raised me with the philosophy that if we fail to learn the lessons that historical mistakes teach us we are doomed to repeat them. He also tempered that by imparting to me the wisdom that states "history is written by the conquerors" 😉 I view history like a car accident witnessed by a dozen people, when interviewed by police there will be almost as many versions of what took place as there are observers, however some crucial facts/truths/events which occured will surface in the majority of the observers accounts and those are the strongest evidence upon which to base your analysis of, and eventual conclusion, of what transpired without having observed it for yourself. Anyways I never addressed the thread topic so I'll do so now, Carter's presidency was a near catastrophy but he has proven to be a compassionate, caring, gentleman statesman and he has contributed in a very positive manner to humanity itself and those contributions should be considered as well.

EDIT: Now you kids play nice or you won't be allowed to come over anymore 😛

 

[Ferocious]

Ironically a lot of the "credit" Reagan gets for the so-called economic boom of the '80s.....was due to Jimmy Carter.

Paul Volker was picked by Carter.

Carter started de-regulations.

etc.

 

[HappyGamer2]

I got a bobcat face now too, it rules, I dig it

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Shinerburke, it's a hopeless case I am a high school drop out, the rightwing history teachers didn't like me and booted me, I argued with them all the time about the way the world really was in the olden days. </FONT></FONT>

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
I got a bobcat face now too, it rules, I dig it

<FONT face=Verdana size=1><STRONG>shinerburke, </STRONG>it's hopeless case I am a high school drop out, the rightwing history teachers didn't like me and booted me, I argued with them all the time about the way the world really was in the olden days. </FONT>

I gave you a 10 for using Jimmy Carter as your name in your profile 😎

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
I got a bobcat face now too, it rules, I dig it

<FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=1><STRONG>
</STRONG>Shinerburke, it's a hopeless case I am a high school drop out, the rightwing history teachers didn't like me and booted me, I argued with them all the time about the way the world really was in the olden days. </FONT></FONT>

Interesting.....maybe you can tell me something I've been wondering for a while now. Is it true that ignorance is bliss?

 

[HappyGamer2]

DAPunisher, I was wondering when somebody would notice that, I have used that name since the day I came to this board.
you also have a cute kid

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
DAPunisher, I was wondering when somebody would notice that, I have used that name since the day I came to this board.
you also have a cute kid

*voice of the Duke* Why that's mighty nice of you to say. 😀