Jim Cameron's 'Avatar' price tag: How about a cool $500 million?

Josh

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You'd have to say that the New York Times' Michael Cieply is a pretty crafty reporter. He knew that the best way to get us to read a sober, intricately detailed financial analysis (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/09/business/media/09avatar.html?_r=1&src=twr&pagewanted=all) of 20th Century Fox's economic involvement in "Avatar" was to stick something in the lede that would grab our attention -- like the news that the movie's price tag was approaching $500 million.

How did he get that number, you may wonder. According to his story, the Jim Cameron-masterminded film (due out next month and still under lock and key) has a reported production budget of $230 million, but Cieply says that the price tag "would be higher if the financial contribution of Mr. Cameron and others were included." He says that when you toss in the cost of global marketing for the film -- he says Fox itself is planning to spend $150 million around the world -- the film would cost its various backers $500 million.

Cieply's story makes a compelling point about modern-day studio economics. When it comes to a mega-blockbuster like "Avatar," studios like Fox don't just hedge their bets. They involve a wide variety of partners who provide financial and marketing support for the studio's behemoth. According to the piece, a pair of private equity partners -- Dune Entertainment and Ingenious Media -- are picking up 60% of the film's budget. But Fox also has built-in protections from Cameron himself. If the film's final production costs topped $300 million, for example, Cameron would "effectively defer much of his payout until the studio and others were compensated."

Cieply says the film also qualified for tax rebates in New Zealand, since much of its digital work was done there. It also benefits from $25 million worth of technological and marketing aid from Panasonic, which pitched in to help the film in return for assistance from Cameron on Panasonic's upcoming 3-D home video systems.

It just goes to show that when you're in the blockbuster business these days, you can always count on a little help from your friends, who are all hoping to make a little money -- or enjoy some reflected benefits -- from a mega-event that casts a giant shadow over the entire Hollywood landscape.

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EGGO

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Good luck breaking even. Even The Dark Knight just made a little over $500,000.
 

BrownShoes

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The early trailer didn't look too great but the latest trailer is pretty hot.
Will see it.
 

Arkaign

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I don't think this will be a huge hit, as it looks really unlikely to get a really wide audience interested, such as TDK, Titanic, Forrest Gump, LOTR, etc got. As a matter of fact, I rather doubt this will have box office receipts to match that utter garbage 'Twilight' film.

Oh well, the last indicator of quality in movies/music is the number of people watching/listening. One has little to do with the other.
 

oogabooga

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I don't know if it'll be the most profitable movie ever with it's high costs, but I'd imagine it should have some pretty big numbers.
 

Beev

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Not even remotely interested in the movie. Looks like their trying to appeal to furries :p
 

darkxshade

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Oh, okay then. Didn't know that. Maybe they'll double profits then.


Doubt it, just pointing out that it's possible to break even but according to the numbers only about 67 films has made $500 million or more worldwide but that's just the box office sales. You might also want to take into account product placement, action figures or anything else that is produced and sold as a result of this movie.
 

Savarak

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that's still a great investment... anyone wanna get into the movie business? start with making a movie for $100 million, and get $200 million internationally back over 3 years
 
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Good luck breaking even. Even The Dark Knight just made a little over $500,000.

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Wow, you were serious? Holy shit, how dumb are you? Oh, you missed the last 3 zeros. But even then, you had to have known that it didn't cost $500 million (even with the expensive marketing).

I like Cameron, but I agree that this will probably end up as an epic failure. Nothing I've seen so far is overtly appealing or makes me really anticipate this. I know he's supposedly been doing all sorts of things to advance movie tech with this, so its likely it will provide benefits that can't be directly tied to this film.
 
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K1052

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Good luck breaking even. Even The Dark Knight just made a little over $500,000.

About $530,000,000 in domestic gross and over a billion worldwide (just counting theatrical distribution). In perspective DK grossed it's entire budget within the first 4 days of release.

Regardless of how Fox has hedged their bet they still have a TON of cash invested in this endeavor.
 

K1052

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:biggrin:

Wow, you were serious? Holy shit, how dumb are you? Oh, you missed the last 3 zeros. But even then, you had to have known that it didn't cost $500 million (even with the expensive marketing).

I like Cameron, but I agree that this will probably end up as an epic failure. Nothing I've seen so far is overtly appealing or makes me really anticipate this. I know he's supposedly been doing all sorts of things to advance movie tech with this, so its likely it will provide benefits that can't be directly tied to this film.

Well when Titanic was being made a lot of industry consensus was that the film would be a massive failure and end up consigning Paramount Studios to the same fate as the ship because of all the money he spent.

People seem more reserved about their predictions this time around.
 

darkxshade

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Well when Titanic was being made a lot of industry consensus was that the film would be a massive failure and end up consigning Paramount Studios to the same fate as the ship because of all the money he spent.

People seem more reserved about their predictions this time around.

They underestimated the a segment of audience that is the women and their influence and control over their men. I don't see such a segment with Avatar. :D
 

BlackTigers

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what the fuck, i was thinking this was going to be about the dude with the arrow on his head.