Jewish school (in New york) fines students $100 for using facebook

Texashiker

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A jewish school threatens to fine students if they use facebook.

The students were given an option, pay a $100 fine to the school, or delete their facebook accounts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...es-students-for-using-facebook_n_1382964.html

The school feels Facebook is not compatible with the schools moral code.

I dont know what to think about this. The students in question are 11th grade high school students who should be able to make their own choices.

Where does religious school have the right to intrude into personal freedom.
 

CrackRabbit

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It's not just religious schools. It's all schools.
It's been all down hill since Columbine, schools have become almost prison like to "protect the students".
 

dphantom

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Since it is a private school, it appears they are saying that if you want to have a FaceBook account, go somewhere else. If you want to go to school here, then remove your FaceBook account. Students choice.
 

Ninjahedge

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It would seem silly if this is for activities OUTSIDE the school.

This would seem to be an infringement on the students rights and not be allowed as a qualifier for eligibility for enrollment.

I'd sue 'em.
 

crashtestdummy

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A jewish school threatens to fine students if they use facebook.

The students were given an option, pay a $100 fine to the school, or delete their facebook accounts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...es-students-for-using-facebook_n_1382964.html

The school feels Facebook is not compatible with the schools moral code.

I dont know what to think about this. The students in question are 11th grade high school students who should be able to make their own choices.

Where does religious school have the right to intrude into personal freedom.

It's a private school. While I very much disagree with the Haredi value set, the students do have an option to get an education elsewhere. The only thing I don't like is that they spring it on them in the middle of the school year. Otherwise it's much like the Brandon Davies situation: the rule is dumb, but he signed up for it willingly.
 

Bateluer

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Because, you know, this will endear the religious institution to the students. Congrats, you just lost a ton of followers.
 

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Stupid move by the school, but as somebody else already mentioned, it's a private school meaning nobody is forcing them to go there. If one party doesn't like the terms of the deal, they are free to do business with somebody or somewhere else.
 

JEDIYoda

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A jewish school threatens to fine students if they use facebook.

The students were given an option, pay a $100 fine to the school, or delete their facebook accounts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...es-students-for-using-facebook_n_1382964.html

The school feels Facebook is not compatible with the schools moral code.

I dont know what to think about this. The students in question are 11th grade high school students who should be able to make their own choices.

Where does religious school have the right to intrude into personal freedom.

Seems fair to me.........it`s not like I am pro-Jewish....
 

yllus

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As much as this does trample on outside-of-school freedom, I can actually understand why they're doing it - an incredible amount of schoolwork-distracting drama, tears and violence has resulted from Facebook posts at the private school my girlfriend works at. It's an all-girls private school too, so I can only imagine how bad mixed gender schools are.
 

Rainsford

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As much as this does trample on outside-of-school freedom, I can actually understand why they're doing it - an incredible amount of schoolwork-distracting drama, tears and violence has resulted from Facebook posts at the private school my girlfriend works at. It's an all-girls private school too, so I can only imagine how bad mixed gender schools are.

I don't get that argument. Sure, school drama happens on Facebook. But doesn't anyone really think the drama wouldn't happen if the kids didn't use Facebook? Facebook doesn't cause drama, being hormonal kids causes drama. I remember plenty of drama when I was in school in the pre-Facebook era.
 

Dude111

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Texashiker said:
The students in question are 11th grade high school students who should be able to make their own choices.
I agree.... If they dont value thier privacy and want to put everything about themselves all over FB let them!
 

AreaCode707

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I am interested in their policy, disagree with their reasoning, and absolutely support their right to do it and parents to pull the kids out of the private school if they don't like it.

Teens are not mentally mature enough to use social media, and most parents don't understand it enough to provide guidance on how to be safe, forward-thinking and kind online.
 

JEDIYoda

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I am interested in their policy, disagree with their reasoning, and absolutely support their right to do it and parents to pull the kids out of the private school if they don't like it.

Teens are not mentally mature enough to use social media, and most parents don't understand it enough to provide guidance on how to be safe, forward-thinking and kind online.
:thumbsup::thumbsup:
 

Veliko

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I am interested in their policy, disagree with their reasoning, and absolutely support their right to do it and parents to pull the kids out of the private school if they don't like it.

Teens are not mentally mature enough to use social media, and most parents don't understand it enough to provide guidance on how to be safe, forward-thinking and kind online.

What a load of condescending nonsense.
 

PokerGuy

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What's the issue? It's a private school, they can set whatever rules they want no matter how idiotic.
 

yllus

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I don't get that argument. Sure, school drama happens on Facebook. But doesn't anyone really think the drama wouldn't happen if the kids didn't use Facebook? Facebook doesn't cause drama, being hormonal kids causes drama. I remember plenty of drama when I was in school in the pre-Facebook era.

It seems that it's far easier to spread destructive rumours about classmates online than it is to even merely whisper it to a friend. Add to that the ability to create anonymous accounts and to invite people to groups to discuss a certain girl's alleged promiscuity, who then attempts to commit suicide, and you really do start wondering if a complete ban is the best course of action.

I certainly don't feel that a workplace or school should get veto rights over what a person can say or do outside of that environment, but the harm caused is obvious and occurring on a weekly basis.
 

Exterous

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I don't get that argument. Sure, school drama happens on Facebook. But doesn't anyone really think the drama wouldn't happen if the kids didn't use Facebook? Facebook doesn't cause drama, being hormonal kids causes drama. I remember plenty of drama when I was in school in the pre-Facebook era.

Thats what I thought too but apparently this is a hot topic in schools. My wife has had a number of faculty education seminars that go over the change social media brings to schools. The biggest factor they site is reach. There may be drama at school but kids used to be able to get away from it at home. Well, at home its on the phone, the laptop, the tablet and -soon - the TV

This reach has a tendancey to magnify effects. Where, in the past, something wouldn't become as wide spread it can now spread rapidly and will last longer (Often subsiding only when a new juicy story/fad comes along)

They make compelling enough arguments that I am starting to come around on the issue

What a load of condescending nonsense.

You clearly have more confidence in the average teen/parent than I
 

Ninjahedge

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The primary effect is as a catalyst.

It is not the reason things are happening, but it speeds up the reaction and amplifies it. You can get the message out MUCH faster through FB than through anything else.

Simply declaring an absolute moratorium on it mid-year is very poor planning. they should have just phased it out (Frosh class next year, etc etc).

People are saying they have the "right" to do this, but governing the kids behaviors OUTSIDE THE CLASSROOM seems a bit freedom trompling... What's next? Your parents had sex on a Saturday before sundown, therefore you cannot come to our school?
 

Matthiasa

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I would laugh if Facebook would sue them for this. :p

But really if they are going to a private school they could probably pay the $100 and not have it matter.
 

Ninjahedge

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It is a private school, they can create whatever reasons they want for not accepting someone and they can create whatever rules they want. Don't like it, don't attend that school.

Not really.

I am pretty sure they cannot make rules that infringe on the lives of students OUTSIDE the school.

Barring the outrageous, like being criminally prosecuted and convicted, or starring in a porn vid, other restrictions may be illegal....
 

PokerGuy

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Not really.

I am pretty sure they cannot make rules that infringe on the lives of students OUTSIDE the school.

Barring the outrageous, like being criminally prosecuted and convicted, or starring in a porn vid, other restrictions may be illegal....

Sorry, you're wrong, they are a private school and they can create any rules they want, provided they don't go against other laws. If they want to control every aspect of your life inside and outside of school as part of the rules for those attending, they can do so. You can choose not to attend there. You might be confused with a public school -- that's a completely different set of standards.