If not all Jews are created equally under the name of YHVH, then when will Israelis treat Palestinians as their equal?
It look like the Israeli Jews are exactly the same as the despicable Islamic Arabs that they learn to hates.
Jew vs. Jew.
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It look like the Israeli Jews are exactly the same as the despicable Islamic Arabs that they learn to hates.
lol @ your link and google results for "Nico Tarosyan" makes the validity of this story look questionable. Sounds like a made up anti-semitic hit piece.
It is an automatic anti-semitic label if someone question Israel action. I'm sure that the rest of the Jews outside of Israel/US/Canada/Australia wouldn't call someone anti-semitic if they criticize Zionist Jews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Jewish_immigration_to_Israel_in_the_1990s
Many Russian immigrants are not recognized as Jewish by Halacha, or Jewish religious law, due to their patrilineal heritage. This causes problems when they wish to marry, as in Israel marriage arrangements for all religious communities are made by the relevant religious authorities, and in the case of Jewish citizens, only by Orthodox rabbis. This leads many to marry abroad, as the marriage is recognised on their return. The problem affects 350,000 Jews.[1]
A Jewish magazine article condemning Jewish and Gentile intermarriage
Not Jewish Enough to Marry a Cohen — Israel’s Marriage Law
Marriage between a Jew and non-Jew is not legally permitted in Israel. Jews who want to marry Gentiles must travel to another nation to marry.....
http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Russian+Jews+israel+marriage+laws
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Right from your Wiki quote:
This not discriminatory against the Russians, this is true for ALL Jews the world over . . . you are a Jew if your mother is Jewish and you are not a Jew otherwise.
It's a freaking hate crime they barred all these non-Jews often married to Jews from emigrating to Israel. Oh wait, they DID let them!
Well, it's a freaking hate crime they discriminate against these people they willingly let in their country for jobs and and such. Oh wait, they DON'T!
Ok, then, as a non-Jew I DEMAND the right to regulate Jewish heritage and marriage laws according to what I think they . . . oh wait, that's just STUPID!
The real problem here is that the state of Israel needs to grow up and out of it's more narrow religious genesis and heritage and allow civil marriages alongside religious ones.
Here, the OP would have a point.
But when he pompously concludes, "If not all Jews are created equally..." he intentionally misdirects away from the BASIC FACT of this situation that Jewishness is determined by your mother . . . for ALL Jews.
This not discriminatory against the Russians, this is true for ALL Jews the world over . . . you are a Jew if your mother is Jewish and you are not a Jew otherwise.
It's a freaking hate crime they barred all these non-Jews often married to Jews from emigrating to Israel. Oh wait, they DID let them!
Well, it's a freaking hate crime they discriminate against these people they willingly let in their country for jobs and and such. Oh wait, they DON'T!
Ok, then, as a non-Jew I DEMAND the right to regulate Jewish heritage and marriage laws according to what I think they . . . oh wait, that's just STUPID!
The real problem here is that the state of Israel needs to grow up and out of it's more narrow religious genesis and heritage and allow civil marriages alongside religious ones.
Here, the OP would have a point.
But when he pompously concludes, "If not all Jews are created equally..." he intentionally misdirects away from the BASIC FACT of this situation that Jewishness is determined by your mother . . . for ALL Jews.
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You make assumptions based on having absolutely no knowledge of your own on the subject.
Perknose has tried to educate you a little!!
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I have to somewhat agree with Perknose, that indeed is the Jewish religious criteria, you are a Jew if and only your biological mother is a Jew. A gentile mother and a a Jewish father counts for nothing. But even then, it is possible to convert to Judaism, how many hoops a person must jump through is subject to Israeli debate. But given the fact that the hard line Orthodox Jews are a tiny minority in Israel, makes it a question why most Israelis don't simply tell the Orthodox hardliners to go stuff their holier than thou bigotry where the sun does not shine.
But of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, all part of the the three sister religions lumped under the label of Abrahamics faith, only Judaism is a non evangelistic religion. Which may explain while Islam and Christianity have billions of adherents, and Jews world wide only number 14 million. Is a restricted admission policy really politically wise for Jews? As Jews are always going to immediately lose any greatest good for the greatest number arguments, and when their current behavior in Israel more resembles the politics of pigs than anything else, their long term prospects do not look very good.
But of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, all part of the the three sister religions lumped under the label of Abrahamics faith, only Judaism is a non evangelistic religion. Which may explain while Islam and Christianity have billions of adherents, and Jews world wide only number 14 million. Is a restricted admission policy really politically wise for Jews? As Jews are always going to immediately lose any greatest good for the greatest number arguments, and when their current behavior in Israel more resembles the politics of pigs than anything else, their long term prospects do not look very good.
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I didn't make the claim that I have lots of knowledge on the matter, but I uses Russian an example since they are the large group of Jewish that aren't allow to be marry inside Israel and is easier to look up as an example. What I was trying to convey is that Zionists wanted Israel solely for themselves and aren't willing to share the holy land with other Jews.
For an example the US allows foreigner into America and work there legally as landed immigrant or on working Visa, and they are allows to apply for citizenship after 5 years so as by marriage. None of these gentile lineage shits as advocated by perknose.
PS. Please provide links so that I can be educated.
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I maybe mistaken but last time I checked Judaism is == religion and != race.
If everyone including Zionists and right wing nutjobs agree on the "race" definition, then Israel wouldn't be in the predicament that they are now in.
And, I don't know where they are going to, but it doesn't look good if they can't get along with their neighbors.
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So you agree with the archaic laws that stated the Holy Land is the mother land of Jews, but not the Father Land of all Jews?
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To some extent, when the argument of who is definitely is a Jew and who can't ever be a Jew is solely a matter that only Jewish religious authorities can decide. And such Jewish authorities are collectively called Rabbi's. But when collective Rabbi's don't agree, how can we assume there is only one answer. And then we can ask the other question because most Jews live outside of Israel, does a Rabbi who resides in Israel outrank a Rabbi living outside Israel?
But the fact is and remains, in Israel itself, most of the highly restrictive definitions of Judaism are linked to the settler party movement.
But the fact is and remains, in Israel itself, most of the highly restrictive definitions of Judaism are linked to the settler party movement.
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Two very good sources ---
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism
http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/beingjewish.htm
Judaism is the "religion, philosophy, and way of life" of the Jewish people.
Judaism is not a race because Jews do not share one common ancestry. For instance, Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardic Jews are both "Jewish." However, whereas Ashkenazi Jews often hail from Europe, Sephardic Jews often hail from the Middle East. People of many different races have become Jewish over the centuries.
Judaism is not a nationality
Although today Israel is often called the Jewish homeland, being Jewish is not a nationality because Jews have been dispersed throughout the world for almost two thousand years. Hence, Jews come from countries all over the world.
Judaism is both a cultural and religious identity
Being Jewish means that you are part of the Jewish people, whether because you were born into a Jewish home and culturally identify as Jewish or because you practice the Jewish religion (or both).
Cultural Judaism includes things such as Jewish foods, customs and rituals. For instance, many people are born into Jewish homes and are raised eating blintzes and lighting shabbat candles, but never step foot inside a synagogue. A Jewish identity is automatically bestowed on babies of Jewish mothers (according to Orthodox and Conservative Judaism) and of Jewish mothers or fathers (according to Reform Judaism). This Jewish identity stays with them throughout life even if they don't actively practice Judaism.
Religious Judaism includes the beliefs of the Jewish religion. The way a person practices the Jewish religion can take many forms and partially for this reason there are different movements of Judaism. The main denominations are Reform, Conservative, Orthodox and Reconstructionist Judaism. Many people who are born into Jewish homes affiliate with one of these branches, but there are also those who do not.
If a person is not born Jewish, s/he can convert to Judaism by studying with a rabbi and undergoing the process of conversion. Merely believing in the precepts of Judaism is not enough to make someone a Jew. They must complete the conversion process in order to be considered Jewish. Though the different branches of Judaism have varying requirements for conversion, it is safe to say that the conversion process is very meaningful for whomever decides to undertake it.
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-genocide-palestinian-israeli-race.html
Israel's Racial Purity Laws
This is a study file of articles published mostly by Jews about Jewish separatism whereby Jews seek to keep their own race pure. The irony is that their leaders seek all other races to intermix and such Jewish groups as the ADL and ACLU have expressed some of this irony from time to time.
"Jewish Majority Vital for Israel's Future"
The Australian Jewish News
May 9, 2006
http://www.ajn.com.au/news/news.asp?pgID=525
JERUSALEM - Safeguarding Israel’s Jewish majority must be a national priority, according to Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. “We must ensure that the State of Israel has a definite Jewish majority, or otherwise the notion of a Jewish state will become void,” the Israeli prime minister said on Monday during a Knesset address in memory of Zionist visionary Theodor Herzl. Olmert, like his predecessor Ariel Sharon, has justified his plan to quit parts of the West Bank by invoking the demographic threat posed by growing number of Arabs.
"Changing Israel's Marriage Law"
The Jewish Week of Greater New York
April 4, 2006
http://www.thejewishweek.com/top/editletcontent.php3?artid=4987
Non-Orthodox Jewish couples are forced to submit to an Orthodox marriage ceremony with an Orthodox rabbi and are compelled to attend classes on family purity. No Israeli may marry outside her faith community. Hundreds of thousands of Israeli citizens from the former Soviet Union who are not Jewish or whose Jewish ancestry is in doubt are unable to marry at all inside Israel. And more women every year are chained to men they wish to divorce but who will not give them the get required by Jewish law.
Despite these problems, Israel’s Religious Zionist and haredi communities insist that holding on to the marriage reins is necessary for Jewish continuity. If Jews are allowed to marry outside Orthodox parameters, they say, a “split in the nation” will result.
There are two related worries: intermarriage and illegitimacy. Children of marriages forbidden by Jewish law, or halacha (for example, unions between a kohen and a divorcee, between close relatives, or between a man and a previously married woman who did not undergo a halachic divorce) are considered mamzerim. They and their offspring, stigmatized with an irrevocable brand of illegitimacy, may marry only other mamzerim. A split in the nation, the argument goes, will follow: mamzerut will increase dramatically and it will be difficult to keep track of mamzerim to ensure they do not wed non-mamzer Jews.
On Problems of Jewish Intermarriage & Loss of Jewish Identity
Abraham Foxman, National Director of the Jewish Anti-Defamation League of Bnai Brith
March 4, 2005
http://www.adl.org/ADL_Opinions/Israel/JewishWeek_030405.htm
Let's be honest. We are losing the battle of Jewish identity. Intermarriage is growing. There is a lot of ignorance. Two generations of Jews in America have passed without their being taught to be Jews. .... A stronger Israel working with American Jews on this challenge cannot only make each stronger, but will reinforce the deep ties that bind us one to the other.
Israel's Marriage Law
Znet Magazine
August 2, 2003
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=3989
Israel's Parliament has passed a law preventing Palestinians who marry Israelis from living in Israel. The move was denounced by human rights organisations as racist, undemocratic and discriminatory.
Under the new law, rushed through yesterday, Palestinians alone will be excluded from obtaining citizenship or residency. Anyone else who marries an Israeli will be entitled to Israeli citizenship. Now Israeli Arabs who marry Palestinians from the West Bank or Gaza Strip will either have to move to the occupied territories, or live apart from their husband or wife. Their children will be affected too: from the age of 12 they will be denied citizenship or residency and forced to move out of Israel.
Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch sent a joint letter to the Knesset, Israel's parliament, urging members to reject the bill. "The draft law barring family reunification for Palestinian spouses of Israeli citizens is profoundly discriminatory," Amnesty said in a statement. "A law permitting such blatant racial discrimination, on grounds of ethnicity or nationality, would clearly violate international human rights law and treaties which Israel has ratified and pledged to uphold." B'Tselem, an Israeli human rights organisation, joined in the criticism of the law. Yael Stein, a spokesman, said: "This is a racist law that decides who can live here according to racist criteria."
Some Israelis believe they are sitting on a demographic time bomb, with an Israeli Arab community, already 20 per cent of the population, growing faster than the Jewish population. The discrimination is not only against Palestinians, according to human rights groups, but against Israel's own 1.2 million citizens of Palestinian origin as well. The overwhelming majority of Israelis who marry Palestinians are the so-called Israeli Arabs - Palestinians who live in Israel and have Israeli citizenship.
"This bill blatantly discriminates against Israelis of Palestinian origin and their Palestinian spouses," said Hanny Megally of Human Rights Watch. "It's scandalous that the Government has presented this bill, and it's shocking that the Knesset is rushing it through."
The government pushed the vote through at speed, even agreeing to consider it a vote of confidence to get it through. It was passed by 53 votes to 25, with one abstention. Gideon Ezra, a cabinet minister, said: "This law comes to address a security issue. Since September 2000 we have seen a significant connection, in terror attacks, between Arabs from the West Bank and Gaza and Israeli Arabs." Since 1993, more than 100,000 Palestinians have become Israeli citizens through marriage, Mr Ezra said. But B'Tselem pointed out that only 20 of those 100,000 have been involved in suicide bombings or other militant attacks.
See: Israel's Racist Marriage Law
Jeff Rense Information Archive
August, 7, 2003
http://www.rense.com/general39/isrnewlaw.htm
"The State of Israel practices racism and discrimination in its laws towards the Arab population since before imposing the racist marriage law which was passed by the Parliament on the 13 July 2003. The Israeli Parliament voted to block Palestinians who marry Israelis from becoming Israeli citizens or residents, erecting a new legal barrier as Israel finished the first section of a new physical barrier against Palestinians West Bank." http://www.rense.com/general39/isrnewlaw.htm
for starters....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism
http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/beingjewish.htm
Judaism is the "religion, philosophy, and way of life" of the Jewish people.
Judaism is not a race because Jews do not share one common ancestry. For instance, Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardic Jews are both "Jewish." However, whereas Ashkenazi Jews often hail from Europe, Sephardic Jews often hail from the Middle East. People of many different races have become Jewish over the centuries.
Judaism is not a nationality
Although today Israel is often called the Jewish homeland, being Jewish is not a nationality because Jews have been dispersed throughout the world for almost two thousand years. Hence, Jews come from countries all over the world.
Judaism is both a cultural and religious identity
Being Jewish means that you are part of the Jewish people, whether because you were born into a Jewish home and culturally identify as Jewish or because you practice the Jewish religion (or both).
Cultural Judaism includes things such as Jewish foods, customs and rituals. For instance, many people are born into Jewish homes and are raised eating blintzes and lighting shabbat candles, but never step foot inside a synagogue. A Jewish identity is automatically bestowed on babies of Jewish mothers (according to Orthodox and Conservative Judaism) and of Jewish mothers or fathers (according to Reform Judaism). This Jewish identity stays with them throughout life even if they don't actively practice Judaism.
Religious Judaism includes the beliefs of the Jewish religion. The way a person practices the Jewish religion can take many forms and partially for this reason there are different movements of Judaism. The main denominations are Reform, Conservative, Orthodox and Reconstructionist Judaism. Many people who are born into Jewish homes affiliate with one of these branches, but there are also those who do not.
If a person is not born Jewish, s/he can convert to Judaism by studying with a rabbi and undergoing the process of conversion. Merely believing in the precepts of Judaism is not enough to make someone a Jew. They must complete the conversion process in order to be considered Jewish. Though the different branches of Judaism have varying requirements for conversion, it is safe to say that the conversion process is very meaningful for whomever decides to undertake it.
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-genocide-palestinian-israeli-race.html
Israel's Racial Purity Laws
This is a study file of articles published mostly by Jews about Jewish separatism whereby Jews seek to keep their own race pure. The irony is that their leaders seek all other races to intermix and such Jewish groups as the ADL and ACLU have expressed some of this irony from time to time.
"Jewish Majority Vital for Israel's Future"
The Australian Jewish News
May 9, 2006
http://www.ajn.com.au/news/news.asp?pgID=525
JERUSALEM - Safeguarding Israel’s Jewish majority must be a national priority, according to Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. “We must ensure that the State of Israel has a definite Jewish majority, or otherwise the notion of a Jewish state will become void,” the Israeli prime minister said on Monday during a Knesset address in memory of Zionist visionary Theodor Herzl. Olmert, like his predecessor Ariel Sharon, has justified his plan to quit parts of the West Bank by invoking the demographic threat posed by growing number of Arabs.
"Changing Israel's Marriage Law"
The Jewish Week of Greater New York
April 4, 2006
http://www.thejewishweek.com/top/editletcontent.php3?artid=4987
Non-Orthodox Jewish couples are forced to submit to an Orthodox marriage ceremony with an Orthodox rabbi and are compelled to attend classes on family purity. No Israeli may marry outside her faith community. Hundreds of thousands of Israeli citizens from the former Soviet Union who are not Jewish or whose Jewish ancestry is in doubt are unable to marry at all inside Israel. And more women every year are chained to men they wish to divorce but who will not give them the get required by Jewish law.
Despite these problems, Israel’s Religious Zionist and haredi communities insist that holding on to the marriage reins is necessary for Jewish continuity. If Jews are allowed to marry outside Orthodox parameters, they say, a “split in the nation” will result.
There are two related worries: intermarriage and illegitimacy. Children of marriages forbidden by Jewish law, or halacha (for example, unions between a kohen and a divorcee, between close relatives, or between a man and a previously married woman who did not undergo a halachic divorce) are considered mamzerim. They and their offspring, stigmatized with an irrevocable brand of illegitimacy, may marry only other mamzerim. A split in the nation, the argument goes, will follow: mamzerut will increase dramatically and it will be difficult to keep track of mamzerim to ensure they do not wed non-mamzer Jews.
On Problems of Jewish Intermarriage & Loss of Jewish Identity
Abraham Foxman, National Director of the Jewish Anti-Defamation League of Bnai Brith
March 4, 2005
http://www.adl.org/ADL_Opinions/Israel/JewishWeek_030405.htm
Let's be honest. We are losing the battle of Jewish identity. Intermarriage is growing. There is a lot of ignorance. Two generations of Jews in America have passed without their being taught to be Jews. .... A stronger Israel working with American Jews on this challenge cannot only make each stronger, but will reinforce the deep ties that bind us one to the other.
Israel's Marriage Law
Znet Magazine
August 2, 2003
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=3989
Israel's Parliament has passed a law preventing Palestinians who marry Israelis from living in Israel. The move was denounced by human rights organisations as racist, undemocratic and discriminatory.
Under the new law, rushed through yesterday, Palestinians alone will be excluded from obtaining citizenship or residency. Anyone else who marries an Israeli will be entitled to Israeli citizenship. Now Israeli Arabs who marry Palestinians from the West Bank or Gaza Strip will either have to move to the occupied territories, or live apart from their husband or wife. Their children will be affected too: from the age of 12 they will be denied citizenship or residency and forced to move out of Israel.
Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch sent a joint letter to the Knesset, Israel's parliament, urging members to reject the bill. "The draft law barring family reunification for Palestinian spouses of Israeli citizens is profoundly discriminatory," Amnesty said in a statement. "A law permitting such blatant racial discrimination, on grounds of ethnicity or nationality, would clearly violate international human rights law and treaties which Israel has ratified and pledged to uphold." B'Tselem, an Israeli human rights organisation, joined in the criticism of the law. Yael Stein, a spokesman, said: "This is a racist law that decides who can live here according to racist criteria."
Some Israelis believe they are sitting on a demographic time bomb, with an Israeli Arab community, already 20 per cent of the population, growing faster than the Jewish population. The discrimination is not only against Palestinians, according to human rights groups, but against Israel's own 1.2 million citizens of Palestinian origin as well. The overwhelming majority of Israelis who marry Palestinians are the so-called Israeli Arabs - Palestinians who live in Israel and have Israeli citizenship.
"This bill blatantly discriminates against Israelis of Palestinian origin and their Palestinian spouses," said Hanny Megally of Human Rights Watch. "It's scandalous that the Government has presented this bill, and it's shocking that the Knesset is rushing it through."
The government pushed the vote through at speed, even agreeing to consider it a vote of confidence to get it through. It was passed by 53 votes to 25, with one abstention. Gideon Ezra, a cabinet minister, said: "This law comes to address a security issue. Since September 2000 we have seen a significant connection, in terror attacks, between Arabs from the West Bank and Gaza and Israeli Arabs." Since 1993, more than 100,000 Palestinians have become Israeli citizens through marriage, Mr Ezra said. But B'Tselem pointed out that only 20 of those 100,000 have been involved in suicide bombings or other militant attacks.
See: Israel's Racist Marriage Law
Jeff Rense Information Archive
August, 7, 2003
http://www.rense.com/general39/isrnewlaw.htm
"The State of Israel practices racism and discrimination in its laws towards the Arab population since before imposing the racist marriage law which was passed by the Parliament on the 13 July 2003. The Israeli Parliament voted to block Palestinians who marry Israelis from becoming Israeli citizens or residents, erecting a new legal barrier as Israel finished the first section of a new physical barrier against Palestinians West Bank." http://www.rense.com/general39/isrnewlaw.htm
for starters....
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Thanks for the clarification as how repugnant and archaic the Israeli laws is. Most countries strive to modernize their political system, while Israel is proud at going backward to become a secular state to match the Arab fanatics that they despise.
It go to show that both Islamic sec & Judaism sec aren't going to stop killing each others at anytime soon. Therefore, it doesn't make sense for Westerner to debates or make excuses for the atrocities that commits by both side.
If we are not going to prosecute both Palestine and Israel government for war crimes, the least we could do is stop the money & weapons flow because not doing so would make us accessory to war crimes.
A better question is, why do we even care? Do we concern ourselves with the internal goings on of any other religion not our own? Every single religion has disagreements among its clergy. The issue isn't "interesting" because it is about Jews and Israel.
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We should be greatful that judiasm doesn't try to aggressively spread itself like other religions. Pure reason > Judiasm's matrilineal rule > knocking on people's doors trying to convert them > blowing people up because they're infidels.
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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\CCheer up Infohawk, Israel does more than its fair share of blowing infidels up and robbing them blind. Try reading the Old Testament of the Bible some time.
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So by this I conclude that you are either (a) trolling, or you (b1) ascribe historicity to Biblical war stories, and (b2)also impute moral culpability to the corresponding modern day nations for the alleged ancient acts.
Should I start drawing inferences from (b1) and (b2), or do you want to cop to (a)?
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oh right because gays can marry in the US in all 50(51? 52?) states.
on one side, a religious law about people who want to marry in a religious service. on the other side a federal law, but they don't seem to differ that much.
anyway, Israelis who are refused a religious service in Israel go to Cyprus and sign a document and they're married. but the authorities in Israel will give them a little hard time when trying to get social benefits or discombobulate them with bureaucracy.
on one side, a religious law about people who want to marry in a religious service. on the other side a federal law, but they don't seem to differ that much.
anyway, Israelis who are refused a religious service in Israel go to Cyprus and sign a document and they're married. but the authorities in Israel will give them a little hard time when trying to get social benefits or discombobulate them with bureaucracy.
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Muslims > Convert or die. We are so peaceful that those are your options.
Christians > *knocks on your door and yells - please convert!*. You slam the door and minutes later... *knock knock...Hi again! Jesus loves you!*.
Jews > Piss off we dont want you. Your IQ is not over 110.
Seriously though, thats pretty close to it. Jews are a inclusive religion, even the Ethiopian Jews [several hundred at most] had to jump through hurdles to get accepted. And people may bash them for not being accepting of "outsiders" but so what. If Jews were more outgoing as a people they likely would not be around today. Assimilation is a bitch, and resisting conversion to Islam and Christianity for 2000 years was only possible due to being inclusive. Countless other religions and cultures were absorbed since they intermingled freely.
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LOL! Thanks!
Let us all consider the incredible odds that someone who chose the tag "iGas" hates Jews. Must be astronomical!
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