kage69
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He was already irrelevant to anyone but the sensitives and the Italians.
And with no ax to grind, the woes of the Amerindians will fade quietly into irrelevance and ignorance.
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kage69
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shortylickens
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So like, literally NO ONE involved was told to watch the weather?
nypost.com
Or did every meteorologist in America just fuckin lie?
87 runners rescued after blizzard hits Utah Ultramarathon mid-race
More than 80 runners were rescued after a blinding blizzard blew through the DC Peak 50 Ultramarathon race in the Utah mountains on Saturday.
nypost.com
Or did every meteorologist in America just fuckin lie?
rise
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you talk a lot but at least you usally got something useful, shit i'd never have chance to ge to know, by choice i suppose
kage69
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No ax to grind, wtf are you talking about? You ever been on a res out West? First Nation communities have been irrelevant and ignored forever, see clean water, child poverty, uranium pollution, native females disappearing and few caring. IMO giving Columbus the finger should be the duty of every American, regardless of ethnicity.
Fritzo
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This man's face was seen 50 ft from the body a few minutes later...
kage69
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I try to keep my personal annotations and quips related to what has been posted, but, thanks? As long as we laugh or learn something, I'm happy.
dank69
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dank69
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kage69
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So like, literally NO ONE involved was told to watch the weather?
87 runners rescued after blizzard hits Utah Ultramarathon mid-race
More than 80 runners were rescued after a blinding blizzard blew through the DC Peak 50 Ultramarathon race in the Utah mountains on Saturday.
Or did every meteorologist in America just fuckin lie?
Damn. Didn't same thing just happen in China not too long ago?
Yep, sure did: 21 dead
kage69
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Except that no one celebrates or cared about Columbus except one ethnicity; only the Italian-Americans poured the resources into lobbying for some national holiday. He was just the choice of Italians to remind the racist, violent, even murderous WASP majority that they were able to do something once upon time. Italian-Americans have often masked their heritage by Anglicizing their names; it wouldn't be automatic to many people that musical titans like Steven Tyler(actually Tallarico) that they are of Italian ancestry.
Even as a holiday, it's a very soft one because a lot of non-government working people don't get a day off.
Renaming it only makes people feel better while the actual issues remain unresolved(an mental opiate of sorts), and probably with even less attention than before because having a holiday actually makes people complacent and feel something has been done when it hasn't. Federal holidays are not injunctions or bans, or programs for assistance. They just provide some education for reflection.
My random craigslist free finds wound up picking up many items from a then recently-deceased lawyer with Native American ancestry. Thus he had some literature and newspaper articles saved about essentially how these folks get fucked up and get the short end of the stick, including battling to preserve land areas where they hold importance to Native Americans.
kage69
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I don't want to go much more offtrack over this, but I will say this blanket like assertion of yours seems to be the root of your error, from my perspective. Maybe I should be glad for you that you don't know anyone (with zero Italian ancestry) who, quite outraged, feels Columbus is no different than the white Southerners who fought for the Confederacy and are "being erased from history." If that is the case, then congratulations are definitely in order. Regardless, my point was Columbus controversy isn't required for the woes of First Nation communities to be irrelevant to most other people. That's called the status quo for them.
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Torn Mind
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Those folks seem to live in the here and now, not realizing that their ancestors likely put Italian-Americans down back when they were a distinguishable ethnicity(Italians actually still are to some extent). These guys only jumped on after the "holiday" was threatened to be removed; they likely didn't give a shit about how it was established or who really actually celebrated it. Or lobbied local governments to keep it as the holiday to observe back when there was no culture war powder keg like there has been 2020(the likes of Tommy Lasorda would throw his weight around and show up to parades)
The first time the holiday was done was merely a one-time diplomatic ploy with Italy because 11 Italian-Americans got lynched and that ticked off 19th century Italy to the point of threatening to end diplomatic relations.
The lobby for Columbus Day in the first place stemmed strictly from the Italian-American community. The noveau WASPs and other righties are jumping on board right now to exploit the current climate when their ancestors would have been against the people behind Columbus Day. For, not only was there anti-Italian sentiment, but also anti-Catholic sentiment.
Captante
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No doubt that for example its easy to condemn the "Cavalry" when they ride in and slaughter the poor native Americans defending their homeland from invaders while sitting at our PC's in 2021.
Try it from your burning cabin in the woods as a settler in the 1790's when those same folks are killing your family.
Its referred to as maintaining "historical perspective" and without it, it becomes impossible to really understand what happened and the real reasons behind it.
Point being that its easy to judge through the filter of time but not so easy if you're there living it.
Try it from your burning cabin in the woods as a settler in the 1790's when those same folks are killing your family.
Its referred to as maintaining "historical perspective" and without it, it becomes impossible to really understand what happened and the real reasons behind it.
Point being that its easy to judge through the filter of time but not so easy if you're there living it.
Shrug, I can judge the expeditionary nature of powerful countries and citizens regardless of the century the actions took place.
Who authorized the settlers to be there again?
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You certainly can!
(most people do)Judging with any kind of accuracy however requires an actual objective knowledge of history which in my experience is quite rare.
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