Jesus as a name

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KokomoGST

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Actually, back in the day, Jesus was a pretty common name... plus the fact that many Hispanics are Catholic so they either name their kids after the saints or mebbe the godhead... it's a fairly common practice. I mean, a lot of English names are saints too... John, Joseph, Michael, etcetc... no biggie :)
 

johnjohn320

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<< Not really. I was just interested in the cultural history why it's ok to name one culturals child Jesus and the others not even though they have the same religion and reverance for Jesus. >>



In some countries it's ok to kill women for adultry, while men go scot-free. It' just a cultural difference man, not that tough to figure out.
 

Cyberian

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<< Actually, back in the day, Jesus was a pretty common name... plus the fact that many Hispanics are Catholic so they either name their kids after the saints or mebbe the godhead... it's a fairly common practice. I mean, a lot of English names are saints too... John, Joseph, Michael, etcetc... no biggie :) >>

Many Italians and Irish are also Catholic, but I've never heard of a Jesus Mastropiero or a Jesus O'Reilly.
 

Netopia

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<< Know anyone named Joshua ? (Josh)
That is another translation for Jesus ..
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No, actually (and this funny because of people's feelings) it's the other way around! Jesus was called (in Hebrew) Yeshua, which we transliterate as Joshua... the same name as Joshua in the Old Testement. What is funny is how our cultures tend to make us attatch special meaning to things which are not special.... that is, that Joshua is what we SHOULD find sacred if we are going to find anything sacred, but the New Testement was written in Koine Greek, and the Greek translation for Yeshua is Iesous, which we transliterate Jesus in English!

Isn't it funny that we take a name that is a transliteration of a translation of the original from a third language and we place special import on it! I, myself, am just as guilty... it's a cultural thing for us I guess.... a silly thing though.

Joe
 

ScottyB

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I should name my kid Allah. Then I can be like, "Allah you're such a brat." " Stop it Allah or I will spank you." "Allah Why can't you be as good a person as Jesus?" LOL j/k.
 

Nefrodite

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i don't think its a good idea:p there were atleast two at my school and they were thugs:) its just a tad silly is all, kinda ike naming your kid god, or messiah as someone said:p
 

Zebo

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Netopia wrote:

Isn't it funny that we take a name that is a transliteration of a translation of the original from a third language and we place special import on it! I, myself, am just as guilty... it's a cultural thing for us I guess.... a silly thing though.

While yes it's a silly cultural thing I still don't get what the history is behind it? I mean at some point did some european king say "I don't want any child born in my realm to be called Jesus" and it stuck all these years even carrying over to America. And the Indians (now mexicans) had no idea of this custom and said "Hey we love Jesus why not name our son that" And it took and now is a common name with no misgivings like in western culture. I don't know but have always loved the name and would like to name my son that but it seems ridiculus to some of my relatives.
 

Zebo

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36 days BTW. Of course I won't because why sattle a child with baggage right out of the starting gate. he'll have plenty to deal with besides being the only white kid with the name Jesus )Hey-Zues). But nevertheless I think it's a wonderful name/.
 

Sophia

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I too have never heard of an Irishman named Jesus (what is Jesus in Gaelic?) or an Italian named Gesu. Perhaps its roots are unique to the religious history of Spain, though this is all purely speculation.

The Islamic occupation of Spain by the Moors began in 711. The Reconquest began a few years later, pitting Christians vs. Muslims. The Jews flourished between the 10th and 12th centuries, but by the end of the 14th centuries power has shifted from the Muslims to the Christians and in 1391 there is a forced conversion of Jews to Christianity. These new converts were called conversos. The Spanish Inquisition began about 1480 with the objective of identifying false Christians (i.e. conversos secretly practicing Judaism or moriscos practicing Islam). In 1492 Granada fell from the Moors, ending the Islamic occupation; the Jews were forcibly expelled from Spain; and Columbus set sail for the new world. A few years later in 1517 Martin Luther would post his 95 theses in Germany. There was a period in Spain where Catholicism and nationalism/patriotism are inseperable and one could argue that Ferdinand V and Isabella ("the Catholic monarchs") used Catholicism as a political tool to unify the country. Catholicism became infused into the national identity from several different directions. Reconquer Spain from the "infidel" Moors. Expel the Jews. Weed out the "false" Christians (there were also Inquisitions new world). Rally against the Protestant Reformation (the Counter Reformation was strong in Spain), and, of course, bring Catholicism to the new world. So there's this nationalist-religious devotion/fervor/fanaticism at the same time that Spain was colonizing the Americas and when it was certainly in one's best interest to be not only Catholic, but "pure" Catholic (i.e. from several generations back). And, hypothetically, the name Jesus is pretty strong declaration of one's devotion.

Having mentioned all that, I really have no idea how old the tradition of naming children Jesus is in Hispanic countries (or"de Jesus") nor do I know if it's common in Spain itself. But it's possible that the willingness to use the name Jesus as a name has its roots from that sort of strong cultural/political/religious identification with Christianity. Again, this is all just a speculation.

Or maybe it's more like tacos vs. hamburgers (same idea, different form). :)
 

Zebo

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<< The Islamic occupation of Spain by the Moors began in 711. The Reconquest began a few years later, pitting Christians vs. Muslims....etc.etc...etc.. >>



Sometimes I feel like I did'nt learn anything in college:( That's a good point if there are any Spainish men named Jesus. I doubt it but the only one I know by name is Antonio Bandaras (sp)..
 

zeon

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I once met a guy named Jesus Gonzales... if that's not the funniest name like, ever, i don't know what is... (no disrespect the jesus gonzales though, he was a mighty fine guitar player)
 

Logix

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I was in a restaurant once, and there was a little card on the table that said "You are being served by Jesus". It made me do a double-take, but I didn't think about it much anymore afterwards.
 

InFecTed

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I really liked Jesus in the Big Lebowski:p

Nobody f*cks with da Jesus man, nobody...:D
 

Zebo

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<< It might be a similar reason why you rarely (if at all) see anyone with the last name of Hitler. >>


I think you are missing the point. There are hundreds of thousands of Jesus's and more are born each day. It's actually a very common name in California. Unfortuanatly you never see a white/black guy named that and I'm tring to fiqure out the historical reasons (if there are any) why that is so.

Hitler is such an infamous name I don't think any culture would be crazy enough to embrace such a name.
 

Vic

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Umm... Hispanic people use the name "Jesus" because it is just the way you say "Joshua" in Spanish.
Jesus' real Hebrew name during his lifetime was Yoshua ben Yusef.
 

Zebo

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<< Umm... Hispanic people use the name "Jesus" because it is just the way you say "Joshua" in Spanish.
Jesus' real Hebrew name during his lifetime was Yoshua ben Yusef.
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I think we have a winner, at least it sounds right. Thanks
 

SuperTool

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<< Umm... Hispanic people use the name "Jesus" because it is just the way you say "Joshua" in Spanish.
Jesus' real Hebrew name during his lifetime was Yoshua ben Yusef.
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Uhh, I guess if Jesus showed up in the US, he would end up at Gitmo Bay ;)
 

her209

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My kids' names will be:

God, Jesus, Buddha, Vishnu, Allah, Mohammed (same thing?), Krishna, Joseph Smith, Tao-Tzu, and Seaman.