Jesus and the elves

hellokeith

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I'd provide a link, but I'm not sure where this first originated. It's apparently been around for a while, but nevertheless is pertinent and relevant.

And Joseph went up from Galilee to Bethlehem with Mary, his espoused wife, who was great with child. And she brought forth a son and wrapped him in swaddling clothes and laid him in a manger because there was no room for them in the inn. And the angel of the Lord spoke to the shepherds and said, "I bring you tidings of great joy. Unto you is born a Savior, which is Christ the Lord."

"There's a problem with the angel," said a Pharisee who happened to be strolling by. As he explained to Joseph, angels are widely regarded as religious symbols, and the stable was on public property where such symbols were not allowed to land or even hover.

"And I have to tell you, this whole thing looks to me very much like a Nativity scene," he said sadly. "That's a no-no, too." Joseph had a bright idea. "What if I put a couple of reindeer over there near the ox and ass?" he said, eager to avoid sectarian strife.

"That would definitely help," said the Pharisee, who knew as well as anyone that whenever a savior appeared, judges usually liked to be on the safe side and surround it with deer or woodland creatures of some sort. "Just to clinch it, throw in a candy cane and a couple of elves and snowmen, too," he said. "No court can resist that."

Mary asked, "What does my son's birth have to do with snowmen?" "Snowpersons," cried a young woman, changing the subject before it veered dangerously toward religion. Off to the side of the crowd, a Philistine was painting the Nativity scene. Mary complained that she and Joseph looked too tattered and worn in the picture. "Artistic license," he said. "I've got to show the plight of the haggard homeless in a greedy, uncaring society in winter," he quipped. "We're not haggard or homeless. The inn was just full," said Mary. "Whatever," said the painter.

Two women began to argue fiercely. One said she objected to Jesus' birth "because it privileged motherhood." The other scoffed at virgin births, but said that if they encouraged more attention to diversity in family forms and the rights of single mothers, well, then, she was all for them. "I'm not a single mother," Mary started to say, but she was cut off by a third woman who insisted that swaddling clothes are a form of child abuse, since they restrict the natural movement of babies.

With the arrival of 10 child advocates, all trained to spot infant abuse and manger rash, Mary and Joseph were pushed to the edge of the crowd, where arguments were breaking out over how many reindeer (or what mix of reindeer and seasonal sprites) had to be installed to compensate for the infant's unfortunate religious character.

An older man bustled up, bowling over two merchants, who had been busy debating whether an elf is the same as a fairy and whether the elf/fairy should be shaking hands with Jesus in the crib or merely standing to the side, jumping around like a sports mascot.

"I'd hold off on the reindeer," the man said, explaining that the use of asses and oxen as picturesque backdrops for Nativity scenes carries the subliminal message of human dominance. He passed out two leaflets, one denouncing manger births as invasions of animal space, the other arguing that stables are "penned environments" where animals are incarcerated against their will. He had no opinion about elves or candy canes.

Signs declaring "Free the Bethlehem 2" began to appear, referring to the obviously exploited ass and ox. Someone said the halo on Jesus' head was elitist. Mary was exasperated. "And what about you, old mother?" she said sharply to an elderly woman. "Are you here to attack the shepherds as prison guards for excluded species, maybe to complain that singing in Latin identifies us with our Roman oppressors, or just to say that I should have skipped patriarchal religiosity and joined some dumb new-age goddess religion?"

"None of the above," said the woman, "I just wanted to tell you that the Magi are here." Sure enough, the three wise men rode up. The crowd gasped, "They're all male!" And "Not very multicultural!" "Balthasar here is black," said one of the Magi. "Yes, but how many of you are gay or disabled?" someone shouted. A committee was quickly formed to find an impoverished lesbian wise-person among the halt and lame of Bethlehem.

A calm voice said, "Be of good cheer, Mary, you have done well and your son will change the world." At last, a sane person, Mary thought. She turned to see a radiant and confident female face. The woman spoke again: "There is one thing, though. Religious holidays are important, but can't we learn to celebrate them in ways that unite, not divide? For instance, instead of all this business about 'Gloria in excelsis Deo,' why not just 'Season's Greetings'?"

Mary said, "You mean my son has entered human history to deliver the message, 'Hello, it's winter'?" "That's harsh, Mary," said the woman. "Remember, your son could make it big in midwinter festivals, if he doesn't push the religion thing too far. Centuries from now, in nations yet unborn, people will give each other pricey gifts and have big office parties on his birthday. That's not chopped liver."

Suddenly the baby Jesus spoke up. "I was going to save this for later," He said. "But...Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
It's always distrubing to peer into the mind of a schizophrenic.

Hey it wouldn't be P&N if there wasn't at least one tool posting on Christmas looking to cause some shit.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
It's always distrubing to peer into the mind of a schizophrenic.

Hey it wouldn't be P&N if there wasn't at least one tool posting on Christmas looking to cause some shit.

Well thanks for obliging. Merry Christmas! ;)
 

Rainsford

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Yes, I can't help but think, as I sit here at home (because I get today off from work), walking around seeing all the Christmas decorations and lights and church services being advertised, and stores having Christmas sales, and everyone celebrating Christmas with their family, how oppressed people who celebrate Christmas are. :roll:

What planet are people like hellokeith from anyways?
 

Crono

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Originally posted by: hellokeith
I'd provide a link, but I'm not sure where this first originated. It's apparently been around for a while, but nevertheless is pertinent and relevant.

And Joseph went up from Galilee to Bethlehem with Mary, his espoused wife, who was great with child. And she brought forth a son and wrapped him in swaddling clothes and laid him in a manger because there was no room for them in the inn. And the angel of the Lord spoke to the shepherds and said, "I bring you tidings of great joy. Unto you is born a Savior, which is Christ the Lord."

"There's a problem with the angel," said a Pharisee who happened to be strolling by. As he explained to Joseph, angels are widely regarded as religious symbols, and the stable was on public property where such symbols were not allowed to land or even hover.

"And I have to tell you, this whole thing looks to me very much like a Nativity scene," he said sadly. "That's a no-no, too." Joseph had a bright idea. "What if I put a couple of reindeer over there near the ox and ass?" he said, eager to avoid sectarian strife.

"That would definitely help," said the Pharisee, who knew as well as anyone that whenever a savior appeared, judges usually liked to be on the safe side and surround it with deer or woodland creatures of some sort. "Just to clinch it, throw in a candy cane and a couple of elves and snowmen, too," he said. "No court can resist that."

Mary asked, "What does my son's birth have to do with snowmen?" "Snowpersons," cried a young woman, changing the subject before it veered dangerously toward religion. Off to the side of the crowd, a Philistine was painting the Nativity scene. Mary complained that she and Joseph looked too tattered and worn in the picture. "Artistic license," he said. "I've got to show the plight of the haggard homeless in a greedy, uncaring society in winter," he quipped. "We're not haggard or homeless. The inn was just full," said Mary. "Whatever," said the painter.

Two women began to argue fiercely. One said she objected to Jesus' birth "because it privileged motherhood." The other scoffed at virgin births, but said that if they encouraged more attention to diversity in family forms and the rights of single mothers, well, then, she was all for them. "I'm not a single mother," Mary started to say, but she was cut off by a third woman who insisted that swaddling clothes are a form of child abuse, since they restrict the natural movement of babies.

With the arrival of 10 child advocates, all trained to spot infant abuse and manger rash, Mary and Joseph were pushed to the edge of the crowd, where arguments were breaking out over how many reindeer (or what mix of reindeer and seasonal sprites) had to be installed to compensate for the infant's unfortunate religious character.

An older man bustled up, bowling over two merchants, who had been busy debating whether an elf is the same as a fairy and whether the elf/fairy should be shaking hands with Jesus in the crib or merely standing to the side, jumping around like a sports mascot.

"I'd hold off on the reindeer," the man said, explaining that the use of asses and oxen as picturesque backdrops for Nativity scenes carries the subliminal message of human dominance. He passed out two leaflets, one denouncing manger births as invasions of animal space, the other arguing that stables are "penned environments" where animals are incarcerated against their will. He had no opinion about elves or candy canes.

Signs declaring "Free the Bethlehem 2" began to appear, referring to the obviously exploited ass and ox. Someone said the halo on Jesus' head was elitist. Mary was exasperated. "And what about you, old mother?" she said sharply to an elderly woman. "Are you here to attack the shepherds as prison guards for excluded species, maybe to complain that singing in Latin identifies us with our Roman oppressors, or just to say that I should have skipped patriarchal religiosity and joined some dumb new-age goddess religion?"

"None of the above," said the woman, "I just wanted to tell you that the Magi are here." Sure enough, the three wise men rode up. The crowd gasped, "They're all male!" And "Not very multicultural!" "Balthasar here is black," said one of the Magi. "Yes, but how many of you are gay or disabled?" someone shouted. A committee was quickly formed to find an impoverished lesbian wise-person among the halt and lame of Bethlehem.

A calm voice said, "Be of good cheer, Mary, you have done well and your son will change the world." At last, a sane person, Mary thought. She turned to see a radiant and confident female face. The woman spoke again: "There is one thing, though. Religious holidays are important, but can't we learn to celebrate them in ways that unite, not divide? For instance, instead of all this business about 'Gloria in excelsis Deo,' why not just 'Season's Greetings'?"

Mary said, "You mean my son has entered human history to deliver the message, 'Hello, it's winter'?" "That's harsh, Mary," said the woman. "Remember, your son could make it big in midwinter festivals, if he doesn't push the religion thing too far. Centuries from now, in nations yet unborn, people will give each other pricey gifts and have big office parties on his birthday. That's not chopped liver."

Suddenly the baby Jesus spoke up. "I was going to save this for later," He said. "But...Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."

This would be funny, but it really does reflect the attitudes of a lot of people.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
It's always distrubing to peer into the mind of a schizophrenic.

Hey it wouldn't be P&N if there wasn't at least one tool posting on Christmas looking to cause some shit.

Well thanks for obliging. Merry Christmas! ;)
:laugh:

 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Crono

This would be funny, but it really does reflect the attitudes of a lot of people.

It's funny BECAUSE it reflects the attitudes of a lot of people. Unfortunately, daily news stories from around the world show that too many people take religion far too seriously.
 

UberNeuman

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Reminds me of Ed Sullivan - "Ladies and Gentleman, we've got a big show for you tonight - an upcoming band straight from Bethlehem - give a warm round of applause to: Jesus and the Elves!!!"
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Crono

This would be funny, but it really does reflect the attitudes of a lot of people.

It's funny BECAUSE it reflects the attitudes of a lot of people. Unfortunately, daily news stories from around the world show that too many people take religion far too seriously.

The OP is still alive, I guess we take it less seriously than others.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Crono

This would be funny, but it really does reflect the attitudes of a lot of people.

It's funny BECAUSE it reflects the attitudes of a lot of people. Unfortunately, daily news stories from around the world show that too many people take religion far too seriously.

The OP is still alive, I guess we take it less seriously than others.

Well first of all, the OP IS one of the wide-eyed religious loonies...this "joke" was targetted at the heathens that are stealing Christmas. And while I'll be the first to agree that religious nutjobs in this country haven't taken things nearly as far as others have, that doesn't mean they are OK or not a danger to the future of this country.

Let's face it, the problem isn't personal beliefs, or even their willingness and desire to make other people live by those beliefs, the problem is that the wide-eyed loonies in THIS country have shown themselves to be remarkably easy to lead around by folks with an agenda. This whole "war on Christmas" thing is a perfect example. It's a ridiculous idea that nevertheless has gained a tremendously large fan club, all of whom bleat in unison whenever folks like Bill O'Reilly tell them to. Now right now it's just mildly amusing ranting and raving, but it's the same basic problem that can lead to all sorts of bad things. Because it's not a bunch of people who think on their own and honestly come to the same conclusion, it's an ideological mob.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: hellokeith
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Well first of all, the OP IS one of the wide-eyed religious loonies

Care to expand on that? Provide some evidence?

Sure, all I need to do is direct you to this very thread...which I'm sure you're aware of, since you created it. It's a thread pushing a "poor persecuted Christians" viewpoint in regards to Christmas, something I don't think a reasonable religious person can actually believe. I do not think your some sort of crazy fundamentalist in your beliefs, but I think the WAY you express your beliefs is pretty loony. You don't have to have extreme beliefs to express them in extreme ways...the firebreathing moderate might not be as common as the other kind, but that doesn't mean it can't happen.

As far as I'm concerned, believing in and participating in the furthering of this ridiculous "war on Christmas" bullshit is all the evidence I need to say you're a few beers short of a six pack when it comes to religion. You view yourself as a moderate when it comes to your religious beliefs? Fine, so stop getting involved in the extremist issues.
 

hellokeith

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Sure, all I need to do is direct you to this very thread...which I'm sure you're aware of, since you created it. It's a thread pushing a "poor persecuted Christians" viewpoint in regards to Christmas,

The sattirical narrative is not pushing anything. It is comical irony because there is some truth to it.

something I don't think a reasonable religious person can actually believe. I do not think your some sort of crazy fundamentalist in your beliefs, but I think the WAY you express your beliefs is pretty loony. You don't have to have extreme beliefs to express them in extreme ways...the firebreathing moderate might not be as common as the other kind, but that doesn't mean it can't happen.

Reasonable from an amoral agnostic truth-is-relative perspective? In that case, simple belief that Jesus existed period is extreme. Firebreathing because I speak out against abortion? Me and a very large % of women believe the same.

Pushing an agenda is akin to bombing abortion clinics, or perhaps funding moveon.org, neither of which in I would participate.

As far as I'm concerned, believing in and participating in the furthering of this ridiculous "war on Christmas" bullshit is all the evidence I need to say you're a few beers short of a six pack when it comes to religion. You view yourself as a moderate when it comes to your religious beliefs? Fine, so stop getting involved in the extremist issues.

So then you are OK with the word GOD on our currency? On our national monuments? In our Supreme Court? This is essentially the same issue.
 

Noobtastic

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Crono

This would be funny, but it really does reflect the attitudes of a lot of people.

It's funny BECAUSE it reflects the attitudes of a lot of people. Unfortunately, daily news stories from around the world show that too many people take religion far too seriously.

Lolz. The entire world follows religion.

Unless, you're like brain dead or something.