Jesse Ventura/Chris Kyle estate verdict, Jesse wins, thoughts?

[rommelrommel]

/this.

jesse is a fucking nutcase. But to say he was not a SEAL is insane.


even the dude that bust false SEAL's says he is a SEAL http://youtu.be/KeO1DUtnKsE

Funny, a SEAL commander and a bunch of other SEAL's say he wasn't.

http://cursor.org/stories/seal_or_udt.htm

 

[Moonbeam]

Its not often you and I agree on, well, anything.

Your surprised me too. I couldn't find any of your usual defective reasoning. I don't know if either of you are right but at least the thinking was rational.

 

[Wreckem]

I am puzzled by the defenses agreeing on allow an non-unanimous verdict. They must have thought they had it in the bag. Talk about a total misread of the jury. That said insurance will be picking up the tab. Although I am sure they will appeal alleging faulty jury instructions.

 

[Zorba]

I'm not accusing Ventura of lying, I'm accusing him of intentionally and consistently misrepresenting himself as a SEAL when he knows he was in fact not. He does this for personal gain as his persona is how he makes money. It's to his advantage to have people think that he was a SEAL rather than a UDT because no one knows what a UDT is.

If there is no difference why is Ventura always mealy mouthed about if he was a SEAL or not? It's a huge difference to the people that actually are SEAL's (which was another 26 weeks at the time.)

Do I get to call myself a doctor after my premed? Do I get to call myself a lawyer if I never passed the bar?

Tons of people go around calling themselves engineers, even though they don't have a PE, which is illegal in most (all?) states.

But are you really going to say this guy and this guy aren't engineers?

 

[Zorba]

I am puzzled by the defenses agreeing on allow an non-unanimous verdict. They must have thought they had it in the bag. Talk about a total misread of the jury. That said insurance will be picking up the tab. Although I am sure they will appeal alleging faulty jury instructions.

That blows my mind too, considering a mistrial is pretty close to a win for them and may be a complete win.

 

[John Connor]

Fuck Ventrua! I bought the book on Amazon to support Chris Kyle's wife Taya. It looks like a great read and I always wanted the book. It has good reviews on Amazon.

 

[TerryMathews]

Fuck Ventrua! I bought the book on Amazon to support Chris Kyle's wife Taya. It looks like a great read and I always wanted the book. It has good reviews on Amazon.

Everyone seems to take this tack. Why doesn't anyone do a scumbag steve for Kyle?

Last I checked, badmouthing a brother in arms was a pretty big faux pas as well.

 

[Genx87]

Fuck Ventrua! I bought the book on Amazon to support Chris Kyle's wife Taya. It looks like a great read and I always wanted the book. It has good reviews on Amazon.

What is your favorite part of the book? Shooting women in Iraq or Katrina victims? Or his black and white feeling towards the people he was killing?

 

[waggy]

Kyle went wrong well before that. This guy shouldn't be glorified as a hero. In his book he believes he didn't kill enough Iraqis. And he either lied about Katrina or killed 30 US citizens.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...t-sniper-in-american-history/?wpsrc=AG0003376

lol i didn't know about the katrina stuff. WTF thats a little strange to make up stories like that.

 

[Zorba]

lol i didn't know about the katrina stuff. WTF thats a little strange to make up stories like that.

I think it would've been fairly hard to hide 30 dead bodies that were clearly shot. I also think it would've been hard to set up shop on top of the super dome, sniping people without any media noticing, since the Super Dome was basically being shown on TV 24/7 at that point.

Hell Nurses got convicted for ODing people on morphine, which a little harder to notice than gun shot wounds.

 

[Zorba]

Fuck Ventrua! I bought the book on Amazon to support Chris Kyle's wife Taya. It looks like a great read and I always wanted the book. It has good reviews on Amazon.

So "heros" should be able to say/do anything they want without fear of reprisal?

 

[John Connor]

What is your favorite part of the book? Shooting women in Iraq or Katrina victims? Or his black and white feeling towards the people he was killing?

Do you honestly think I give a fat fuck about terrorist A-rabs?

 

[waggy]

Do you honestly think I give a fat fuck about terrorist A-rabs?

do you give a shit about US citizens getting blasted away in New Orleans? he is claims he killed over 30 US citizens without due process...


frankly that claim is unbelievable. 30 people shot from a sniper position (the super dome no less) would have been all over the news.

 

[Genx87]

Do you honestly think I give a fat fuck about terrorist A-rabs?

Chris Kyle, is that you speaking from the grave?

 

[surfsatwerk]

Do you honestly think I give a fat fuck about terrorist A-rabs?

 

[emperus]

Stand up Guy

That sense of superhuman toughness perhaps led him to tell stories reporters couldn’t confirm. One involved a cold January morning at a gas station southwest of Dallas. Two armed men, he said, approached him and told him to hand over the keys to his black F350. “I told them I would get them the keys,” he told Mooney. “I told them they were in the truck and to just let me reach in.” Kyle then claimed he reached into the car, pulled out a gun and, shooting under his armpit, killed both men. “It’s true,” he said.
But was it? Reporters, including the New Yorker’s Nicholas Schmidle, called some of the nearby county sheriffs and none of them knew of it. “I went to every single gas station [nearby],” Mooney explained. “I talked to every single law enforcement out there, all the Texas rangers — and there’s no evidence whatsoever.”
The Fort Worth Star-Telegram had no better luck. “We checked with the medical examiner’s office, which reported no such deaths in Cleburne in January 2009.”
Years after those alleged killings, Kyle had another story to tell. This one referred to the vacuum of authority in New Orleans following Katrina, when the city slipped into chaos. According to the New Yorker and severalmilitary publications, Kyle and a few other SEALs drank late in San Diego late one night in early 2012. “The SEALs began telling stories, and Kyle offered a shocking one,” the New Yorker reported. “…He and another sniper traveled to New Orleans, set up on top of the Superdome, and proceed to shoot dozens of armed residents who were contributing to the chaos.” The magazine said one conversation participant said Kyle “claimed to have shot thirty men on his own,” while another said Kyle and the other killed 30 between them.
When the New Yorker’s Schmidle called the U.S. Special Operations Command for confirmation, he didn’t get any. Then one of Kyle’s officers told the reporter, “I never heard that story.”
Does that mean it didn’t happen? Who knows. It’s certainly possible that Kyle killed two Texan thieves and their bodies disappeared. And it’s also possible Kyle killed 30 armed assailants in New Orleans to protect its residents in Katrina’s aftermath. But it’s also possible Kyle couldn’t let go of his own legend, and, in a haze of post-traumatic stress, let his tales veer into untruth.
Even now, more than a year after Kyle was killed by a fellow veteran at a Texas shooting range, the most important aspect of his myth remains unclear. His book says the Navy confirmed he killed 160 in Iraq.
Kyle, for his part, claimed he killed 255.

 

[Brovane]

do you give a shit about US citizens getting blasted away in New Orleans? he is claims he killed over 30 US citizens without due process...


frankly that claim is unbelievable. 30 people shot from a sniper position (the super dome no less) would have been all over the news.

It sounds like he was drunk from the context of the story. Let's see here soliders making crap up when they are drunk and telling stories, yeah that has never happened.

 

[Brovane]

What is your favorite part of the book? Shooting women in Iraq or Katrina victims? Or his black and white feeling towards the people he was killing?

I read the book several years ago. The Woman in Iraqi where carrying Grenades etc. and where combatants. Don't see a problem with that. As far as Katrina, that was never in the book and sounds like a tall tale told while drunk.

 

[Nebor]

Or his black and white feeling towards the people he was killing?

Grow up.

 

[Nebor]

It sounds like he was drunk from the context of the story. Let's see here soliders making crap up when they are drunk and telling stories, yeah that has never happened.

Anyone with a shred of common sense would realize that the Katrina stuff is nonsensical conspiracy theorist garbage. Why would you deploy snipers to "restore order?" What would be the point?

 

[who?]

Is there any proof that the scruffy guy was Ventura?

 

[who?]

I wonder if Chris Kyle was harassed by so many people wanting to hear stories that he started telling fictional ones to please people.

 

[smackababy]

His stories are no different than any other "war story" we hear about. Macrus Luttrell and Lone Survivor? Yeah, intelligence reports suggest that there were like 8-10 total Taliban fighters in that area, not the 200 he wrote about. Even his medal commendation states 50, not the 200 her wrote about.

These "war heroes" just make shit up. This particular one made something up about a guy with enough balls to sue him for it.

 

[TerryMathews]

Is there any proof that the scruffy guy was Ventura?

You mean aside from Kyle stating it in interviews?

 

[who?]

The scruffy guy may have been a lookalike con artist posing as Ventura. Did Chris Kyle check the guys ID?