Jerry Brown beats Whitman, one of the unexpected wins of 2010

[Red Dawn]

And Craig234 gives us a display of his California history. Decades = 16 years between Democratic Governors.

The makeup of this state has changed vastly in the past 20 years. California has had significant emigration of residents to other states while at the same time it has had immigration from mexico/central america. The republicans who voted for Pete Wilson have left the state. The have choosen to go to states with lower taxes, less onerousness business regulation, etc. The only reason why Arnold won the Gov race was because he was Arnold, not because he was a Republican. He will be the last Republican governor in this state for a long time to come. Until this state hits rock bottom (think Michigan w/ a significant illegal alien problem), it will only get worse here. The moochers and looters are running the state and the producers are leaving.

I say this as a native Californian who would leave but can't due to a upside down mortgage.

I see, not a Fiscal Conservative in real life.

BTW Pee Wee Wilson sucked as Governor. Davis paid for PeeWee's fucked up governing.

 

[Red Dawn]

You're forgetting that California only gets progressively (pun intended) more insane. The only way a conservative could get elected in a state-wide election now would be if he/she were a transsexual Wiccan dog psychiatrist.

That said, while I certainly wouldn't have voted for Boxer, I probably would have voted for Brown. At least he understands the insanity that is Sacramento and might actually mitigate some of the damage or at least work around it, whereas Whitman would be continually trying to bring in some semblance of fiscal sanity - a definite fail in California state politics.

Boxer won because she was running against Fiornia. She would have lost to Campbell

 

[zinfamous]

Here ya go...good work should be rewarded...!!

well...I've already misused "wont" twice today.

(I had even suspected as much )

 

[BoomerD]

I see, not a Fiscal Conservative in real life.

BTW Pee Wee Wilson sucked as Governor. Davis paid for PeeWee's fucked up governing.

True Dat...the electrical deregulation that led to the rolling blackouts, that eventually led to Davis getting recalled...were a Pete Wilson "Fuck You" to the people of California.
He and his buddies at SG&E and PG&E pushed for deregulation, telling the people of the state that they'd be able to buy power from whatever source they wanted and save money...only when the reality of people signing up to buy power elsewhere struck, they got that provision overturned...then the big power providers threw a big fuck to the state by causing artificial shortages...

Pete Wilson fucked Gray Davis even before he was elected.

IMO, the only good thing about Petey Boy was Prop 187...and his support for it.

(too bad our governors since haven't fought to uphold the will of the voters.)

 

[zinfamous]

Boxer won because she was running against Fiornia. She would have lost to Campbell

i would have voted for Campbell. I wanted to vote for him in primaries, but independent registry and such. ...le sigh. :\

 

[zinfamous]

True Dat...the electrical deregulation that led to the rolling blackouts, that eventually led to Davis getting recalled...were a Pete Wilson "Fuck You" to the people of California.
He and his buddies at SG&E and PG&E pushed for deregulation, telling the people of the state that they'd be able to buy power from whatever source they wanted and save money...only when the reality of people signing up to buy power elsewhere struck, they got that provision overturned...then the big power providers threw a big fuck to the state by causing artificial shortages...

Pete Wilson fucked Gray Davis even before he was elected.

IMO, the only good thing about Petey Boy was Prop 187...and his support for it.

(too bad our governors since haven't fought to uphold the will of the voters.)

I thought Enron was primarily responsible for the blackouts?

check this out. rather astonishing, I must say.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

CA state is royally fucked.

Jerry "CA Gov Union whore" Brown as the gov

Newsome as Lt. Gov - The guy was hated in SF for his incompetency as a mayor.

and Kamila Harris as the state AG - Incompetent (SF crime lab debacle), Illegal alien pandering (Pro-Sanctuary city), criminal coddling (Edwin Ramos case is a classical example) with the lowest conviction rates of an DA in the state.

This should work out as a nice model on how not to run a state. No doubt the shifting of the budgetary deck chairs to please everyone will be epic and the iceberg of state bankruptcy sinking this state into the ocean will eventually also be epic.

 

[BoomerD]

I thought Enron was primarily responsible for the blackouts?

check this out. rather astonishing, I must say.

Well, Enron took advantage of the situation...no one can argue with that, but if Pete & Pals hadn't set it up to begin with, Enron couldn't have done what they did.

Enron was only one of the players in the scheme...Duke Energy is yet another of the biggies who slipped California a fucking.

 

[RedChief]

I see, not a Fiscal Conservative in real life.

Actually I am a fiscal conservative because I plan on paying my mortgage. Its the liberals in this state who have been walking away from their obligations because there houses have lost value.

 

[manimal]

CA state is royally fucked.

Jerry "CA Gov Union whore" Brown as the gov

Newsome as Lt. Gov - The guy was hated in SF for his incompetency as a mayor.

and Kamila Harris as the state AG - Incompetent (SF crime lab debacle), Illegal alien pandering (Pro-Sanctuary city), criminal coddling (Edwin Ramos case is a classical example) with the lowest conviction rates of an DA in the state.

This should work out as a nice model on how not to run a state. No doubt the shifting of the budgetary deck chairs to please everyone will be epic and the iceberg of state bankruptcy sinking this state into the ocean will eventually also be epic.

San Fransisco did pretty well with Gavin Newsome. He is well liked and won convincingly last election didnt he? I have not lived in california now for about 5 years.

 

[manimal]

Actually I am a fiscal conservative because I plan on paying my mortgage. Its the liberals in this state who have been walking away from their obligations because there houses have lost value.

Wealthy people are walking away from second mortgages-summer homes- in record fashion btw..

 

[BoomerD]

I'm seeing tons of "conservatives" walk away from houses they bought during the height of the bubble. IMO, if that house was worth whatever you paid for it when you bought it...it's still worth that much today...as long as you're not planning to sell.

IMO, it's very unethical to do a "strategic foreclosure" just because the house is worth less on the market than it was when it was bought.

It SHOULD be illegal to do, and the IRS should consider such foreclosures to be income, as compared to folks who have lost their jobs and have lost their houses "against their will."
We have an unemployment rate of about 17%...TONS of people have lost their jobs and are similarly stuck...they can't find work to pay the mortgage, but they owe too much on the house to sell it for the mortgage amount. On top of the high unemployment rate, we're also "ground zero" for the housing meltdown.

 

[alphatarget1]

Actually I am a fiscal conservative because I plan on paying my mortgage. Its the liberals in this state who have been walking away from their obligations because there houses have lost value.

You should do what's best for yourself and see if walking away from your mortgage will benefit you. Banks would have no problem screwing you over the other way around.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

San Fransisco did pretty well with Gavin Newsome. He is well liked and won convincingly last election didnt he? I have not lived in california now for about 5 years.

Wow are you clueless?

SF did pretty well? We are 500 million dollars in the hole with a budget deficit and this guy spent most of his time running for governor and when he failed there he then spent time on running for Lt. gov. The only people who "liked" Gavin in SF were the die hard democrats and people who are/were completely clueless about the sleazy nature of the guy. As for the last 2 elections well our choices in SF were between Gavin the sleaze ball and an 2 ultra-left wing candidates who represented the fringe of the left wing fringe in SF. It was figuratively like being limited between Chavez and Fidel in a election.

 

[Craig234]

And Craig234 gives us a display of his California history. Decades = 16 years between Democratic Governors.

RedChief gives us a display of his English.

1. If it were 16 years, it's 'decades'. $1,000,001 is 'millions' of dollars. Look it up.

2. The clock for 'decades' is now to the last Democratic governor. Gray Davis was the only Democratic governor for decades - 1983 to now, 27 years.

The point was about how California is so expected to elect a Democrat and not a Republican for governor, a point that's relevant pre- and post-Davis.

The makeup of this state has changed vastly in the past 20 years. California has had significant emigration of residents to other states while at the same time it has had immigration from mexico/central america. The republicans who voted for Pete Wilson have left the state. The have choosen to go to states with lower taxes, less onerousness business regulation, etc. The only reason why Arnold won the Gov race was because he was Arnold, not because he was a Republican. He will be the last Republican governor in this state for a long time to come. Until this state hits rock bottom (think Michigan w/ a significant illegal alien p), it will only get worse here. The moochers and looters are running the state and the producers are leaving.

I say this as a native Californian who would leave but can't due to a upside down mortgage.

There's some truth to that, with a lot of bias and I suspect exaggeration. Got some macro numbers to show California is now an economy as bad as you say?

I doubt it.

 

[Craig234]

Actually I am a fiscal conservative because I plan on paying my mortgage. Its the liberals in this state who have been walking away from their obligations because there houses have lost value.

And the bias is made clear.

Ever see who is really the forecloure group at the top for CA? Check the inland areas - the 'heavily Republican' areas. They're the ones with incredible foreclosure rates.

 

[lupi]

this doesn't happen to involve the elections which just occurred does it?

 

[Zebo]

I called brown early on. Even Craig was dubious of it. He aint that left more left libertarian and I think you'll be surprised concessions he gets from unions and democrats. Whitman would have been WW3 gridlock. Brown is best for the state in shape it's in and most representative. Best choice IMO.

 

[alexruiz]

If she had won you would have a final value fee (FVF) tacked into everything...

 

[Zebo]

I'm seeing tons of "conservatives" walk away from houses they bought during the height of the bubble. IMO, if that house was worth whatever you paid for it when you bought it...it's still worth that much today...as long as you're not planning to sell.

IMO, it's very unethical to do a "strategic foreclosure" just because the house is worth less on the market than it was when it was bought.

It SHOULD be illegal to do, and the IRS should consider such foreclosures to be income, as compared to folks who have lost their jobs and have lost their houses "against their will."
We have an unemployment rate of about 17%...TONS of people have lost their jobs and are similarly stuck...they can't find work to pay the mortgage, but they owe too much on the house to sell it for the mortgage amount. On top of the high unemployment rate, we're also "ground zero" for the housing meltdown.

Very debatable. RE was pumped by fraud. Should you have to pay for fraud?

Oh an I should mention they wanted it crash, even admit it, and bet for it to crash. So the the dump was fraud too.

First 5-6 pages here will fill in the details...

http://market-ticker.org/

Judges around the country are disagreeing with you too by giving people houses based on fraud and because the banks refuse to produce their fraudulent paper work, because it implicates them and investors who were ripped off with AAA garage can now sue... no contract no deal.

 

[rockyct]

I disagree.

Our election of Republican Schwarzeneggar with the recall of our only democrat in decades, Gray Davis, in this 'highly Democratic' state shows otherwise.

We've had no problem electing Republican Senators, including the one who defeated Governor Jerry Brown, Pete Wilson, who headed Whitman's campaign.

I think this could easily have gone the other way for both races.

California is only ok with moderate Republicans. Arnold did not run on a conservative campaign and won because he was going to take charge and fix the state. He won reelection because the Dem nominee was quite pitiful. Davis was unpopular when he won reelection but the Republicans were stupid enough to put up a rich, conservative, businessman. 2003 was basically a do-over of the 2002 election but with a non-conservative Republican this time.

Fiorina was conservative through and through. She was endorsed by Palin, is pro-life, and is anti gay marriage. Boxer isn't exactly popular, but her views are much more in line with the people of CA. The image of her outsourcing jobs really had an impact in the final weeks and she didn't really have a response.

Witman kept trying to tow a line between conservative and moderate-conservative but never really settled on a viewpoint. Jerry Brown won mostly because people would rather pick the devil they know, than the devil they don't. Also, with Arnold's failure, CA didn't want an outsider to try to come in and clean up the mess. Brown at least knew what being governor was like.