Jerb Decision of Life...

[s0me0nesmind1]

Hello ATOT.

I'm at a crossroads in life. Currently, I work for a Big 4 accounting firm and it has absolutely sucked the complete life out of me. Seriously. I have developed anxiety I never knew I had from this situation (adrenaline heart beat skips). It's become completely unhealthy - in addition to completely insane. My work is brain-dead stupid, I learn nothing - the only thing that I ever get is yelled at for anything and everything, even when it was someone else's fault.

Current Situation:
I had a complete shit boss that drove me completely insane. The guy will do everything in his power to throw you under a bus anytime a situation arises. Any real manager will stand-up for someone and defend the people they manage, as well as assess a situation. Nope. I was thrown under a bus multiple times. I actually met someone who had a very similar experience, he couldn't stand my boss for 6 months. I've survived for 1.5 years somehow. Well, I started to fight back and talk to some of the local management. It finally started to work - and as it stands today I am now placed under a (probably temp) new manager. I am also beginning to transition my work off to others because I'm going to be starting a large client project shortly.


New Jerb Position:
During the 2 months or so that I was complaining to local management... I was in complete misery. I developed severe anxiety problems anytime the word "work" popped into my head. So naturally, when recruiters would message me on LinkedIn, it turned into an open door where I started to actually respond.

Well, this was before the changes above started occurring. So now I'm left with a decision... do I remain loyal to my company because the changes I requested are starting to come into place? Or tell them to shove it because they opened the door, a recruiter came in, and I'm not going to kick him out until I see what he has to say?

The new position will be much more useful - IT ERP based of actually LEARNING IT skills with business, which is what I intended to do when I got my degree. I've already been told I have the position, they are in the process of approvals. I also currently make ~$65k. If I were to leave I would give up ~$8k in unvested amounts. What salary difference should I require in order to think about leaving?

Thanks for any advice folks, this one has got my balls in a vice until this week is over...


TL;DR
1) Horrible boss, throws me under the bus. My work is completely dull, teaches nothing, and is repetitive.
2) Complain to local management enough (high superiors).
3) After a long time (~2 months) of complaining to multiple people, changes start to finally take affect, they give me a new manager and start transitioning my work.
4) Too-late, during those 2 months of complaining recruiters had already come to me and I wasn't going to shut the door on them at the time.
5) Changes are starting to come into affect, but I'm about to get a job offer at the other firm.
6) Should I stick with my current job since I complained? Or tell my current job to shove it since they left the door open for so long?
7) Currently I make ~$65k - but If I leave the firm now I would give up ~$8k in unvested amounts. What salary difference should I look for if I'm willing to leave?

 

[xeemzor]

Hello me from 1.5 years ago ago. Reading your current situation brings back so many horrible memories. Audit is for people who love doing the same meaningless repetitive tasks over and over again. It doesn't jive with most tech oriented systems people like us. I'm assuming you tried to transfer internally but got shut down.

If you take any advice from me it is this, GET THE FUCK OUT NOW. RUN do not walk to the IT ERP opportunity. Trust me, the work culture is so much better in advisory. As long as you deal with a tier 1 ERP system(Dynamics AX, SAP, Oracle) you will enjoy your job a heck of a lot more AND get a paid a ton more. The work is actually relevant and will set you up for some great exit opportunities. Do you have a CPA? With one you can probably expect ~$70k as a new ERP staff in the Midwest. Your pay goes up exponentially as you get more experience.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Hello me from 1.5 years ago ago. Reading your current situation brings back so many horrible memories. Audit is for people who love doing the same meaningless repetitive tasks over and over again. It doesn't jive with most tech oriented systems people like us. I'm assuming you tried to transfer internally but got shut down.

If you take any advice from me it is this, GET THE FUCK OUT NOW. RUN do not walk to the IT ERP opportunity. Trust me, the work culture is so much better in advisory. As long as you deal with a tier 1 ERP system(Dynamics AX, SAP, Oracle) you will enjoy your job a heck of a lot more AND get a paid a ton more. The work is actually relevant and will set you up for some great exit opportunities. Do you have a CPA? With one you can probably expect ~$70k as a new ERP staff in the Midwest. Your pay goes up exponentially as you get more experience.

No no, that's what I'm saying, they ARE transitioning me internally to a similar position. They got rid of the dick boss, put me under a temp-one, and are about to start a big project with a client that will be an implementation. The difference is that the door opened for the recruiter before these changes were made

I don't have a CPA. I already get paid nearly $65. As much as I would go for a CPA, I don't have the accounting hours without a masters. So I guess taking the new one boils down to pay increase? Or morality stay with current? Or say screw you to the current one either way?

 

[Ruptga]

If you get a better offer, take it. I understand that big companies will always have a bad boss or two, but I just wouldn't be content working under a company that takes months and months to get their act together. Find a company that's being run competently and stay there, don't settle for BS if you don't have to.

I wouldn't try to be a dick about it, though. Since it sounds like they're giving you some responsibilities and projects that will be difficult to just give to someone else, I'd try to give them a month's notice. However, that sort of thing comes down to just how much you think of the company. If they're awful, no notice is fine as long as you have the next job in-hand. If they're at least acceptable give at least 2-weeks' notice, or whatever is the standard in your profession.

 

[xeemzor]

No no, that's what I'm saying, they ARE transitioning me internally to a similar position. They got rid of the dick boss, put me under a temp-one, and are about to start a big project with a client that will be an implementation. The difference is that the door opened for the recruiter before these changes were made

I don't have a CPA. I already get paid nearly $65. As much as I would go for a CPA, I don't have the accounting hours without a masters. So I guess taking the new one boils down to pay increase? Or morality stay with current? Or say screw you to the current one either way?

I would see how much you can get from the other firm before making your decisions. If possible stay with the big 4 for the prestige and leave to a smaller firm for the pay later. It's much harder to go down in firm size than up.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I would see how much you can get from the other firm before making your decisions. If possible stay with the big 4 for the prestige and leave to a smaller firm for the pay later. It's much harder to go down in firm size than up.

..... Well... I guess I failed to mention that the new firm is a Big 4 too :sneaky:

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

If you get a better offer, take it. I understand that big companies will always have a bad boss or two, but I just wouldn't be content working under a company that takes months and months to get their act together. Find a company that's being run competently and stay there, don't settle for BS if you don't have to.

I wouldn't try to be a dick about it, though. Since it sounds like they're giving you some responsibilities and projects that will be difficult to just give to someone else, I'd try to give them a month's notice. However, that sort of thing comes down to just how much you think of the company. If they're awful, no notice is fine as long as you have the next job in-hand. If they're at least acceptable give at least 2-weeks' notice, or whatever is the standard in your profession.

I'm hoping to have the offer before this big project begins.... If that's the case, all I plan on is giving them a 1-week notice. I need a fscking break after all this...

 

[Ruptga]

If you think so little of them that you're fine with one week of notice, what are you hung up on? If it's just the pay, I've got nothing there since I don't know your job. If you're just apprehensive in general, that's perfectly normal, but I'd say to just have a beer and a good show to help you forget about it until the situation changes appreciably.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

If you think so little of them that you're fine with one week of notice, what are you hung up on? If it's just the pay, I've got nothing there since I don't know your job. If you're just apprehensive in general, that's perfectly normal, but I'd say to just have a beer and a good show to help you forget about it until the situation changes appreciably.

It's still a number of things boiling down to:

1) Reputation (More years with 1 company the better)
2) Vestments (Company investment matches won't count if I don't stay for at least 3 years, so I will be giving up ~$8k)
3) Morality - Feel bad leaving after the company starts adopting changes I was complaining about 2 months ago.

At the same time, my own health and well-being kind of trumps everything... and since the company is starting to make changes for me it's tough to say where it will go

 

[Ruptga]

1. You've been there a year and a half, I don't think that's so short that anyone will see it as a red flag. However, a consideration may be how long you would need to stay at this next place, lest overbearing hiring personnel pigeonhole you as "flighty."
2. 8k is a chunk of change, but depending on how you value your time and sanity, and depending on how much you net each year, it may not be all that much.
3. There's never a perfect time to leave an employer. I never like quitting, even when I really want to, but sometimes it needs to be done. Also, most employers will fire or underpay anyone they possibly can as long as they think it will help their bottom line. There are a few exceptions, but as a rule I hold practically no loyalty to any employer because that's exactly what they give us.

 

[lxskllr]

I'd stay if you otherwise like the company. It /sounds/ like they're making an effort. Otherwise, fuck money. $8k is nothing. People blow that on a two week vacation, and it's done and gone. How much is your happiness and sanity worth? More than $8k I hope...

 

[MrDudeMan]

I'd stay if you otherwise like the company. It /sounds/ like they're making an effort. Otherwise, fuck money. $8k is nothing. People blow that on a two week vacation, and it's done and gone. How much is your happiness and sanity worth? More than $8k I hope...

This is the right answer.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Update: Whelp - Decision was made. I went to the interview, loved everyone, they didn't seem to mind me because the interview was on a Friday and I got the offer the week after. I'm looking at a promotion to the next level, a decent chunk raise (~10%). I'm going to be traveling quite a bit more though. I'm definitely excited to say the least.

My new boss (and previous boss) shat their pants though heh. Makes me feel better just knowing it was unexpected. I gave a week notice just because I was already in a transition period. I wish there was a way to not burn the bridge, but obviously I don't think they are too fond of me moving ahead in my career.

 

[lxskllr]

Congratulations! I hope it's everything you desire.

 

[MrDudeMan]

What did your current bosses say?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

What did your current bosses say?

"Former" boss I haven't heard much from other than make sure I transition everything. I think with me leaving he is going to get an ass-whippin' as far as reputation goes.

(temp) Current boss - He gave a little whiny "Why the short the notice?" Basically complained that I gave a "2 day notice". (I notified on Tuesday that my last day will be Friday). I originally intended to notify Monday, however, I didn't get my offer letter in until Monday night. I don't know where he pulled "2 day notice" out of his ass from (Not counting current day and last day?), but it just sounded gay. Regardless, we were already in a transition process so it didn't really matter. Aside from that, he asked where and what I got and told me congrats at least.

 

[BikeJunkie]

(temp) Current boss - He gave a little whiny "Why the short the notice?" Basically complained that I gave a "2 day notice". (I notified on Tuesday that my last day will be Friday). I originally intended to notify Monday, however, I didn't get my offer letter in until Monday night. I don't know where he pulled "2 day notice" out of his ass from (Not counting current day and last day?), but it just sounded gay. Regardless, we were already in a transition process so it didn't really matter. Aside from that, he asked where and what I got and told me congrats at least.

FTS

Let me repeat: FUCK THAT SHIT

1 day vs. 2 weeks isn't going to make any difference whatsoever. That's just him/them taking a parting shot. Especially with the Big 4, it's all about control, and you just took it from them. They're not used to that. They're used to being in control, so when they lose control (by you leaving), they lash out in a pathetic attempt to reclaim it, even if only in their own minds by controlling the narrative.

I wish there was a way to not burn the bridge, but obviously I don't think they are too fond of me moving ahead in my career.

I've learned that we as employees lose far too much sleep over such things. Shitty bosses take the resignation of good employees very poorly and very personally. It shines a big fat spotlight on their shitty management and their ever-growing shitty track record. Nothing you can do to change that. You've moved on to bigger and better things; their misery is their problem.

Congratulations :thumbsup:

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

FTS

Let me repeat: FUCK THAT SHIT

1 day vs. 2 weeks isn't going to make any difference whatsoever. That's just him/them taking a parting shot. Especially with the Big 4, it's all about control, and you just took it from them. They're not used to that. They're used to being in control, so when they lose control (by you leaving), they lash out in a pathetic attempt to reclaim it, even if only in their own minds by controlling the narrative.



I've learned that we as employees lose far too much sleep over such things. Shitty bosses take the resignation of good employees very poorly and very personally. It shines a big fat spotlight on their shitty management and their ever-growing shitty track record. Nothing you can do to change that. You've moved on to bigger and better things; their misery is their problem.

Congratulations :thumbsup:

See bold.

Except I don't just lose sleep. I gain anxiety problems that I haven't experienced in my 26 years of life. I go to my neurologist and ask "Whats wrong with me?" and she goes "lol that's just anxiety!"

Me:

I honestly give too much a shit about other people and what they think - and that's part of my problem. Isn't it weird saying that is a problem? Anyways, thanks for the advice... that honestly sounds exactly like the case in a nutshell for the Big 4 in general. I have the few that said congrats and wished me the best of luck (and even said feel free to use me as a reference) and then others like the boss' that just seem to want to knock you down.