Jehovah's witnesses may have covered up to 23000 child abuse cases.
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Yeah, I saw a one hour news report about the JW scandal, what an outrage. It would actually make the Catholic Church look good by comparison, if you can imagine such a thing, except everyone knows that JW is a cult and so it isn't all that shocking. The same view is not held of the Catholic Church.
The whole sickening part of it, is that the JW has its own justice system, this "board of elders". The JW rules, both unwritten and written, state that any JW who has been the victim of a crime committed by another JW should report the matter to this "board of elders", NOT to law enforcement. They can and will ex-communicate (I know that is the Catholic term, I forget the JW term) for reporting another JW to the civil authorities.
So these woman have been reporting cases of child molestation and rape to the 'board of elders' for decades and nothing happens. This one woman who had been raped several times reported the matter to her board of elders and they told her 'we'll take care of it'. Six months later, nobody had come to inteview her, nobody telephoned to ask any questions, no investigation at all was done. So her family went to the police and filed a complaint.
The family was shunned by the JW community for breaking with their rules, and they were facing ex-communication, while the man who raped her and several other women was welcomed into the flock with open arms because he 'repented'. One multiple offender was even allowed to go door-to-door, which one former JW member described as "a sexual predator casing homes for his next victim". All with the blessing of the Church.
The whole sickening part of it, is that the JW has its own justice system, this "board of elders". The JW rules, both unwritten and written, state that any JW who has been the victim of a crime committed by another JW should report the matter to this "board of elders", NOT to law enforcement. They can and will ex-communicate (I know that is the Catholic term, I forget the JW term) for reporting another JW to the civil authorities.
So these woman have been reporting cases of child molestation and rape to the 'board of elders' for decades and nothing happens. This one woman who had been raped several times reported the matter to her board of elders and they told her 'we'll take care of it'. Six months later, nobody had come to inteview her, nobody telephoned to ask any questions, no investigation at all was done. So her family went to the police and filed a complaint.
The family was shunned by the JW community for breaking with their rules, and they were facing ex-communication, while the man who raped her and several other women was welcomed into the flock with open arms because he 'repented'. One multiple offender was even allowed to go door-to-door, which one former JW member described as "a sexual predator casing homes for his next victim". All with the blessing of the Church.
they are nutz, no blood transfusions in even fatal situations.. religious nutz.
i think they disown kids that stray from the religion. its pretty hardcore fundamentalist sh*t like those um terrorist peeps.
i think they disown kids that stray from the religion. its pretty hardcore fundamentalist sh*t like those um terrorist peeps.
apoppin
Lifer
Well, to their credit, they kicked Michael "Wacko" Jackson out of their organization (despite his no doubt sizeable "contributions).
Just for fun, I went to their official site and found this article "Protect Your Children"
I wonder how much info Mr. Bowen really has. As an "elder" he is at the bottom of their "hierarchy" - about the same as a "deacon" or assistant priest.
So their "official" stance IS to report abuse to the authorities in compliance with the law.
Just for fun, I went to their official site and found this article "Protect Your Children"
well, they'd better turn over that database. btw i bet there are more than 23000 abuse cases, if there are only 23000 offenders. more than likely there will be quite a few repeats, no?
apoppin
Lifer
Again - how do we know that figure is not just "made up" by a disgruntled former member? An "elder" in their organization is not privy to any organizational information any more than a local priest is privy to a Cardinal's info about the Catholic church.
Did you bother to follow my link to their "official" stance against child abuse? It appears they are attempting to educate their members to look for signs of it, talk with their children and not "hide" it as some other organizations do.
This seems to be quite different than the Catholic Church priest pedophelia scandal.
well i don't, but if they turn over that database, i guess we'll know, eh?
btw, just because they say that child molestation is bad doesn't mean that they're not hiding it up. i mean, i'm sure if you had an interview with all those catholic cardinals and whatnot, they would have said the exact same things. nobody is going to say otherwise in public.
apoppin
Lifer
I really don't know anything about this "database" or even if it exists. However, it appears to cover "sexual wrongdoings' of their ordinary members (not necessarily Church officials, priests or elders). Let's see 23,000 "cases" for about 6 million members is about 1 in 260 (if that statistic means anything).
Has anyone in law enforcement asked for this database?
I'd also like to find out more before I start stoning them.
Their history has shown otherwise - that they "Offficially" conspired to move admitted pedeophelia priests to other parishs and worked to hide improperity. We still don't know anything about the JWs except from a former "elder".
I like to see this "BBC Special".
since when have i stoned them? all i said was that they should turn the database over. and i assume they have these records because of this:
if they had no records, wouldn't they have said so?
I agree. It's standard boilerplate.
Was the man who reported this excommunicated, or did he leave of his own volition?
Personally, I would leave and expose an organization that permitted this kind of thing to go on.
apoppin
Lifer
I haven't accused you of stoning them. I just said I would like more "evidence" before I stone them. Their accuser seems to have information he couldn't possibly have.
Re reading this article it appears that the 23,000 "sex offense" members are total (they also count "fornication" and "adultry" as grounds for kicking out members) . . . not just child abuse. And it doesn't say if it is just the UK or worldwide.
I'd sure like to see this special. I'm on dialup.
Here's a little indiciation:
You think a man who spent nearly 20 years as a JW elder might actually know some people? I mean...can you imagine being a politician for 20 years and NEVER actually meeting anyone in a position of power in your entire 20 years? According to Bill Bowen, he has several inside sources who would probably like to remain anonymous.
I haven't seen the BBC's report, but I did watch the NBC Dateline report on the same thing. Here is the Dateline NBC Transcript:
Transcript NBC DATELINE Expose on Jehovah Witnesses Pedophile Cover-Up
DATE: May 28, 2002
WITNESS FOR THE PROSECUTION
Announcer: From our studios in New York, here is Jane Pauley.
JANE PAULEY: Good evening. At some point it may stop being news--each time another person comes forward to say they were sexually abused as a child by a trusted religious figure--but not yet, though tonight it's not priests under fire. In fact, our story began long before the Catholic Church scandal broke last January. The scenario of alleged abuse is much the same, but the consequences of coming forward, for people whose faith was the center of their lives, would be harsh and profound. Here's John Larson.
JOHN LARSON reporting:
In a small town like Othello, Washington, neighbors are often friends, and friends like family. Which makes the story you're about to hear even more painful. Because, for Erica Garza, who grew up here, there was no one closer, no one she trusted more than her parents' best friend.
(Othello; homes; Othello city limit sign; Erica Garza; Manuel Beliz)
Ms. ERICA GARZA: You would have never known by looking at him, or by the way he acted what he was doing on the side.
LARSON: (Voiceover) What that friend, Manuel Beliz, was doing was molesting Erica, sexually abusing her. She says it started when she was just five years old.
(Photo of Beliz; photo of Erica)
Ms. E. GARZA: I remember it just like it was yesterday.
LARSON: What was your reaction when he first started touching you?
Ms. E. GARZA: I didn't know any better.
(Voiceover) I just remember it hurt.
(Photo of Erica)
Ms. E. GARZA: Out of anything, I just remember the hurt.
(From home video) (Unintelligible)...my brother.
LARSON: (Voiceover) A hurt that grew, she says, because her molester pressured her to keep it all a secret. And while that may not be surprising, this isn't a story about a molester trying to stay in the shadows. This is a story about others who may have played a role not only in Erica's abuse, but the abuse of other victims as well.
(Home video; Beliz; shadow; photo of congregation singing; people holding hymnals)
Ms. E. GARZA: They didn't care about what had happened. Everything they did was trying to hide the facts.
LARSON: (Voiceover) Both Erica and her molester were members of the same church, Jehovah's Witnesses.
(Church sign)
(Excerpt shown from Watchtower Society video)
LARSON: (Voiceover) Jehovah's Witnesses are evangelical Christians best-known for going door-to-door handing out Awake! magazine. Jehovah's Witnesses have six million members worldwide, and some controversial rules--no birthdays or Christmas, no blood transfusions, no military service, no saluting the flag--all of which separates them, sometimes even isolates them from mainstream America. In fact, in the world of Jehovah's Witnesses, anyone outside the church--most of you watching tonight--are considered part of Satan's world, a world which, as depicted in the church's literature, will be destroyed by God. True Jehovah's Witnesses, those who closely follow the church's rules, will survive to live forever on a perfect earth.
But now there are accusations that the church, run out of its headquarters in New York, called the Watchtower Society, is covering up cases of child molestation, protecting molesters and keeping secrets that put children at risk. Consider what happened to Erica Garza. By the time she was 16, Erica's family had moved away from Othello to a new home and new Kingdom Hall in California where one day she found the courage to tell her family her terrible secret. And what did her father, Reuben Garza do?
Report it to the police?
(Excerpts from Watchtower Society video; congregation; members of congregation; woman being baptized; boy being baptized; books; artist's drawings; New York City; Watchtower building; photos of Erica and others; Kingdom Hall; photo of Erica and family)
Mr. REUBEN GARZA: No. Never mentioned report it to the police.
(Voiceover) Take care of it in the congregation.
(Kingdom Hall)
LARSON: (Voiceover) Reuben Garza, who was one of the church's lay ministers, or `elders,' says that's precisely what Jehovah's Witness leaders had taught him. And so instead of going to the police, he and his wife, Alexandra, called the elders back in Othello.
(Photo of Reuben Garza; photo of Garza family)
LARSON: But let me say the obvious. I mean, your daughter's been raped. Didn't you think, `I've got to go to the cops?'
Ms. ALEXANDRA GARZA: That was my first reaction. But as a Witness, first you've got to go to the elders when you have a problem.
LARSON: (Voiceover) But the elders didn't go to the police, either. Why? Well, legally, they didn't have to. Only 16 states require clergy members to report any and all suspected child abuse, and Washington state is not one of them. Instead, church elders opened their own internal investigation. It's one of the things that sets Jehovah's Witnesses apart from most other religious groups. The church has its own judicial system.
(Kingdom Hall; swings; Othello; Kingdom Hall)
LARSON: Whenever a church member is accused of doing something wrong--whether it's breaking a church rule like smoking, committing a sin like adultery, or even committing a crime like rape--the local church appoints a special committee of elders to investigate the charge. Now, if the accused is found guilty, they can be reprimanded or, in worst cases, kicked out of the church, disfellowshipped, potentially cut off from their friends and family, losing their chance, they believe, at everlasting life. For a Jehovah's Witness, there can be no greater punishment.
(Voiceover) Erica Garza expected her molester would, at the very least, be disfellowshipped. But after five months of waiting for the church in Othello to act, she got angry and did the unthinkable.
Ms. E. GARZA: So I called my elders and I said, 'Look, I'm taking it to the police.'
LARSON: What did they say?
Ms. E. GARZA: `Don't. Or else.'
LARSON: Or else what?
Ms. E. GARZA: That's what I said. I said, `Or else what?' And he said, `Just don't.' I said, `What? I'll be disfellowshipped if I take it to the police? Is that what's going to happen to me?' And he said, `Yes. You will be disfellowshipped.' And I was just, like, `What? You're going to disfellowship me for being raped, yet they guy who raped me is still a Jehovah's Witness?'
And they said, `Don't. Don't take it to the police. You will be condemned by God.'
LARSON: (Voiceover) It was October 1996, and Erica says she finally decided whatever the penalty, she had to go to the police. Following an investigation, Manuel Beliz was charged with molestation and rape.
And the church? Erica says her California Kingdom Hall not only shunned her, but shunned her family as well.
(Erica; Beliz; Kingdom Hall)
LARSON: What happened?
Mr. GARZA: Was removed as an elder.
LARSON: So they kicked you out.
Mr. GARZA: Yes, they did.
LARSON: (Voiceover) Erica felt abused, abandoned by her church and alone. But what she couldn't have known was that it would be four more years before another Jehovah's Witness, this time, an elder 2,000 miles away, would take a special interest in Erica's case. The elder had uncovered evidence, he says, that there were many more victims like Erica within Witness Kingdom Halls. And
now he, too, was about to break with the church and go outside into what Witnesses believe is the realm of Satan--the outside world--to expose the church's secrets.
(Erica; Bill Bowen; meeting schedule)
LARSON: You talking to me right now, it's like you're talking to Satan.
Mr. BILL BOWEN: That's correct. I'm attacking God, is what they've said about it.
LARSON: In the view of the church, sitting down with us right now.
Mr. BOWEN: Yes.
LARSON: (Voiceover) Bill Bowen is a candle maker in Kentucky, and a lifelong Jehovah's Witness. It all began, he says, about two years ago when he was filing confidential church records at the local Kingdom Hall and stumbled on this letter. It described an admission dating back to the 1980s, a molestation case that he says the church had swept under the rug.
(Bowen making candles; letter; excerpts from letter)
LARSON: About how old was this child that was involved in this case?
Mr. BOWEN: As I reviewed the material, it appeared to me she was about 11 years of age.
LARSON: (Voiceover) And the admitted molester? A man Bowen knew well, a fellow elder who got only a slap on the wrist from the church as was never reported to police. Outraged, Bowen put a message on the Internet to see if there were other similar cases. The response, he says, was an avalanche of pain and frustration.
(Congregation singing; Bowen typing; responses on computer screen)
Mr. BOWEN: These were all Jehovah's Witnesses that had been molested and silenced within the church.
LARSON: (Voiceover) Bill Bowen is not saying Jehovah's Witnesses have more
molesters than any other religious group. The problem, he says, is how the
church handles the cases that come to its attention. Like the case of Daniel
Fitzwater, a Jehovah's Witness elder in Nevada. Bowen discovered that
according to the church's own internal records, church officials knew of 17
girls who had accused Fitzwater of molesting them. But police say the church
never passed that information on to them.
Bowen also learned that in New Hampshire Paul Berry beat and sexually tortured
his step-daughter, Holly Brewer, from the time she was four. But Holly's
mother says that when she complained to church elders that Berry was beating
Holly and her other kids, the elders told her to be a better wife and to pray
more. She also says they never informed police as required by state law. The
church denies that, saying she never told them of the abuse. Holly later ran
away from home and says she disfigured herself with tattoos and piercings in
response to the abuse.
(Watchtower building; photo of Daniel Fitzwater; church records; excerpts from
records; photo of Paul Berry; photo of Holly Brewer; photo of family; Kingdom
Hall; photo of Holly)
Ms. HOLLY BREWER: It started out by me internalizing the pain. It really did.
It started by me, `I want to mess myself up. I want to make myself look as
ugly I can ***(as spoken)***. I don't want any guys to hit on me. I don't
want to be attractive to people.
LARSON: (Voiceover) Both Paul Berry in New Hampshire and Daniel Fitzwater in
Nevada ultimately were convicted of sexual crimes and are now in prison. But
Bill Bowen says many others in the church accused of sexual abuse have never
been reported to police. It's a claim he says he's heard, though not verified,
from several hundred current and former church members. His conclusion:
disturbing to day the least.
(Photos of Berry and Fitzwater; Bowen talking to reporter; text on computer
screen)
Mr. BOWEN: It's a pedophile paradise within the organization. I believe that.
LARSON: What's the danger that you've been consumed by this to the point
that--that you've blown it all out of proportion? I mean pedophile paradise?
Come on.
Mr. BOWEN: I believe it with all my heart.
(Voiceover) There is a massive problem in the organization.
(Bowen)
LARSON: (Voiceover) But Bill Bowen is just one man in one congregation in
Kentucky. This woman, Barbara Anderson, worked for a decade inside Jehovah's
Witness headquarters. When Anderson saw Bowen's messages on the Internet, she
says she realized she had to tell him there was much more to the story,
involving children in many of the 11,000 congregations across the country.
(Bowen; Barbara Anderson; letter on computer screen; Anderson)
Ms. BARBARA ANDERSON: I don't believe that they're safe within their church.
LARSON: (Voiceover) Anderson was a researcher at the Watchtower Society in the
early 1990s when a senior official there asked her to look into the church's
handling of sexual abuse cases. What she found, she says, sickened her:
hundreds of molestation cases on record, all kept secret in church
files--secret not only from the outside world, but from the members themselves,
the families, the mothers and fathers and children who trust the church is
looking out for them.
(Watchtower building; Anderson; filing cabinets)
Ms. ANDERSON: I believe that if they asked to see the congregation records,
they will find that there are many envelopes with letters that discuss men--or
women--in the congregation that were accused of molesting a child.
LARSON: (Voiceover) Why would the church want to keep these cases secret and
in-house? Anderson agrees that part of the problem is the church's distrust of
the outside world, but she says it's not that simple. Anderson says when
church elders investigate crimes like child molestation, they follow
instructions that may prevent them from taking action--ancient instructions
taken from the Bible itself.
(Watchtower building; Bible)
Ms. ANDERSON: They basically use a scripture in I Timothy 5:19 that states
you're not to make an accusation against an older man unless there are two or
three witnesses.
LARSON: What are the odds that there are going to be two or three witnesses to
an older man molesting a eight-year-old girl?
Ms. ANDERSON: No molester is going to have any witnesses, that's for sure.
Mr. BOWEN: The sum and total of their investigation will be going to a
pedophile and saying, `Did you do it? Nope? Well, OK. Guess we'd better go
on then. Sorry we bothered you.'
(Talking on phone) Did he ask you any questions?
LARSON: (Voiceover) Bill Bowen says if you want to get an idea of how the
church sweeps cases under the rug...
(Bowen talking on phone; traffic on bridges)
Headquarters #1: (On phone) Good afternoon, Watchtower.
LARSON: (Voiceover) ...just listen to part of a conversation Bowen recorded a
little over a year ago with an official in the Jehovah's Witness legal
department.
(New York City)
Headquarters Receptionist: (On phone) Good afternoon, Legal Department.
LARSON: (Voiceover) Bowen calls seeking advice on how to handle a suspected
molestation case involving a young girl and her father. Instead of being told
to report it to the police, Bowen is told to confront the suspected abuser.
(New York City; Bowen talking on phone)
Headquarters #2: (On phone) You just ask him again, `Now is there anything to
this?' If he says `No,' then I would walk away from it.
Mr. BOWEN: (On phone) Yep.
Headquarters #2: (On phone) Leave it for Jehovah. He'll bring it out.
Mr. BOWEN: (On phone) Yep.
Headquarters #2: (On phone) But don't get yourself in a jam.
LARSON: (Voiceover) Again, there was no insistence that this matter be brought
to the authorities in the outside world. Bowen says he was so upset by the
whole case he resigned as a church elder and vowed to help abuse victims. He
didn't know that halfway across the country, Erica Garza as feeling the same
frustration as she prepared to face her molester in court.
(Bowen and woman; Erica and family)
LARSON: Did any of those elders, any of the people in the church stand up and
speak on your behalf?
Ms. E. GARZA: No.
LARSON: (Voiceover) But Erica Garza was about to find out that she wasn't
really all alone.
(Announcements)
Announcer: DATELINE NBC, winner of 10 Headliner awards for excellence in
journalism. America's most watched, most honored news magazine, DATELINE, will
be right back.
(Announcements)
Announcer: From our studios in Rockefeller Center, here is Stone Phillips.
STONE PHILLIPS: She was just five years old when she says she was first
molested by a respected member of her Jehovah's Witnesses congregation. Now a
young woman, Erica Garza wants justice. She says church leaders threatened to
expel her if she went to the police, but she went anyway and now her alleged
attacker is on trial for molestation and rape. Here with the conclusion to our
story, John Larson.
LARSON: (Voiceover) Erica Garza's accused molester, Manuel Beliz, showed up in
court with plenty of support.
(Courthouse; empty court room)
Ms. GARZA: (Voiceover) His side was full of Jehovah's Witnesses.
(Empty court room)
Ms. GARZA: People I thought were my friends, but they were there to support
him. And on my side was my family.
LARSON: (Voiceover) Even though Beliz had apparently confessed his crimes
before church elders, it appeared to make little difference. He was expelled
from the church, but only temporarily. Elders allowed him to rejoin the church
before the trial. John White, the congregation's top elder, explained at a
court hearing.
(Beliz and man; entering courthouse; John White)
Mr. JOHN WHITE: (From audio tape) We're satisfied that he was repentant and
could be admitted to the congregation again. To us, we don't see a problem.
LARSON: (Voiceover) White also told the court that when a church member is
called before the elders and admits to a crime, they consider it a religious
confession and that, just like a priest or rabbi, he and other elders have good
reason not to testify about it in court.
(Empty court room)
Mr. WHITE: (From audio tape) Jehovah's Witnesses do not want to harbor
criminals or dangerous people. But we want the confidentiality because if
that's taken away from us, why should a person ever confess anything?
LARSON: Did anybody say, `We understand the pain that this girl has gone
through?'
Ms. E. GARZA: They say we--they feel sorry for me.
LARSON: (Voiceover) Even without the church's help or the testimony of elders
who, Erica says, knew what had happened, in August of 1998 Manuel Beliz was
convicted, guilty on two counts of rape and two counts of child molestation. He
was sentenced to 11 1/2 years in prison, but two years into his term, his
conviction was overturned on a technicality over how the jury had been
selected. Erica had stood up, faced her abuser, even challenged her church,
but now he was being let out of prison.
(Kingdom Hall; photo of Beliz; jail; empty court room; Erica)
Ms. E. GARZA: I was so disappointed, I was sad, I was heartbroken and I didn't
know what to do.
LARSON: (Voiceover) Manuel Beliz was released from prison to await a new trial.
Last summer DATELINE found him back at the Kingdom Hall, about to join others
going door-to-door, evangelizing for the church.
(Beliz)
Ms. E. GARZA: It just makes me so sad because I was raped and I was--I'm being
shunned, and he raped me and--and he's being loved. It just--it--it gives me
chills up my spine just to think about it.
LARSON: (Voiceover) How do Jehovah's Witness leaders respond to complaints that
they're trying to bury cases like Erica's? They declined a request for an
on-camera interview, but spoke to us off camera, and provided us with a
videotaped policy statement by spokesman J.R. Brown.
(Watchtower building; excerpt from videotape)
Mr. J.R. BROWN: (From videotape) Jehovah's Witnesses feel child abuse is an
evil. It's an evil of our time, it's an evil in our society and so we abhor
it.
LARSON: (Voiceover) Church officials say they publish articles like this,
educating members and training elders how to help abuse victims. The church
also says elders are required to investigate any allegations of abuse, and
steps are taken to protect alleged victims from further abuse. And while
officials acknowledge that molesters who repent are readmitted to church, they
say known molesters are not allowed to hold a position of responsibility within
the church. They also insist that the church complies with all laws on
reporting abuse in those states where it's required, even when there's only one
witness to the crimes. But in states where churches are not required to
report, they say they do not discourage victims from reporting abuse to
authorities.
(Magazine articles; church name on building; congregation singing)
Mr. BROWN: (From videotape) When it comes to the matter of reporting, then
that's something the parents can decide. We certainly never tell them not to
report a case of child molestation.
LARSON: (Voiceover) In a letter to DATELINE, the church's general council adds
that "it is possible that a few of the 77,799 elders of Jehovah's Witnesses
have not followed the direction that they have been given regarding
investigating and reporting child abuse."
(Letters; excerpts from letters)
LARSON: What remains unanswered, though, is why the church gets involved at all
with investigating what are criminal matters. And just how often do they turn
one of their own into authorities? We asked the church for some examples,
proof that they're as tough as they say they are on members who abuse children.
The church waited six months, but finally offered us two cases. And right away
we noticed something. In both cases, the victims were Jehovah's Witnesses, but
their alleged molesters were not. They were non-believers from outside the
church.
(Voiceover) In fact, we could only find two cases where the church took an
active role in turning in one of its own, including the case of this man,
Clement Pandello.
(Clement Pandello)
Offscreen Voice: Mr. Pandello...
LARSON: (Voiceover) Pandello, seen here in family videos...
(Excerpts from family videos)
Unidentified Girl: (From home video) ...in the middle.
LARSON: (Voiceover) ..confessed to church elders he'd molested his own
granddaughter.
(Excerpts from family videos)
Mr. CLEMENT PANDELLO: (From video) Have to kick you out of school if they put
one in your head.
LARSON: (Voiceover) How did the church handle it? The parents of the young
victim, Pandello's own son and daughter-in-law, also Jehovah's Witnesses, told
DATELINE the church pressured to agree to a deal in which Pandello pled guilty
to criminal sexual contact and endangering the welfare of a child. He was
given only probation, no jail time. And what did the church elders tell
Barbara and Carl Pandello?
(Excerpts from family videos; Carl and Barbara Pandello walking on beach;
excerpts from family video)
Mr. CARL PANDELLO: We should just let it go, that it's not Jehovah's time to
deal with it.
LARSON: (Voiceover) The church says that's not true, and the church apparently
did disfellowship Clement Pandello two separate times. But each time they welcomed him back. So where is this convicted child molester today, a man who,
according to court records, has admitted molesting girls all his life?
DATELINE found him going door-to-door, a Jehovah's Witness in good standing,
evangelizing to people who know nothing about his record. His own son, Carl,
says the church should know better.
(Clement)
Mr. CARL PANDELLO: He's a sexual predator. When he goes door-to-door, he has a
craving for young, juvenile girls, as he puts it. He's looking at that child,
having those immoral thoughts in his mind while he's there.
LARSON: You know the church now says they don't have a special problem. It's a
societal problem and they do everything they can to stop pedophiles from
hurting children within the Jehovah's Witness church. What do you say to them?
Ms. E. GARZA: Liars.
LARSON: (Voiceover) Even though her accused rapist had been freed on a
technicality, Erica Garza was not about to let him off the hook. Last summer,
nearly five years after she first came forward, Erica headed back to court.
Once again, not one Jehovah's Witness from her former church came to support
her. But this time, she wasn't alone.
(Beliz; Erica and others)
Mr. BOWEN: ...comments we've made from all over the country...
LARSON: (Voiceover) That out-spoken elder from Kentucky, Bill Bowen, was there.
(Erica talking to Bowen)
Mr. BOWEN: Just to even things.
LARSON: (Voiceover) And Bowen had set up a new support group for sexually
abused Jehovah's Witnesses. And more than 20 people who had heard about the
case through his Web site were there to support Erica.
Ms. GARZA: Thank you, everybody, for being here.
These are people who don't know me, who flew from all over the place for me, to
be there for me because they realize, `Hey, you didn't do anything wrong.' And
it was so encouraging to see people there for me...
(Voiceover) ...as opposed for him.
(People entering court house)
LARSON: (Voiceover) In court, Manuel Beliz took the stand. He denied molesting
Erica, but did admit touching her inappropriately. Once again, Beliz was found
guilty.
(Empty court room; photo of Beliz)
Ms. E. GARZA: Guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty.
LARSON: (Voiceover) Erica Garza says she has found justice in spite of her
church.
(Erica, Reuben and Alexandra coming out of courthouse)
Ms. E. GARZA: Oh, I can't believe it. On all four counts.
Mr. GARZA: Just a little bit of justice. You deserve it.
Ms. E. GARZA: Thank you, God. Thank you, Lord.
LARSON: (Voiceover) Her molester has been sent to prison for 11 1/2 years.
Ms. E. GARZA: Thank you for all your help, Bill.
Mr. BOWEN: Everything's over.
Ms. ANDERSON: You'll sleep well tonight, won't you?
Ms. E. GARZA: Yeah.
LARSON: (Voiceover) All Erica wants now, she says, is for the church to change
its policy and give molestation victims simple advice.
Ms. E. GARZA: `Take it to the police.' Hey, encourage me to take it to the
police. Don't tell me not to.
PHILLIPS: Erica Garza and Holly Brewer are both suing the Watchtower Society
and their local congregations. The church is fighting the lawsuits. The
church also told DATELINE that while some known pedophiles still go
door-to-door, they are not allowed to do alone.
Finally, four of the people DATELINE interviewed--former Elder Bill Bowen,
Barbara Anderson and Carl and Barbara Pandello--are facing possible expulsion
from their congregations.
Well I read the whole transcript...sobering. Another blow to organized cults. I'm sure some JW will be on here soon defending them, denying this goes on. Discusting.....how low can they go to defend their perverted beliefs.
Thank you tcsenter, I remember seeing that report myself some time ago and I was just gonna mention it.
Its one of the reasons why I think the guy's telling the truth.
As for offcial JW website, does anyone else REALLY think they would say "don't go to the police, come to us first" on a publication available to outsiders?
Its one of the reasons why I think the guy's telling the truth.
As for offcial JW website, does anyone else REALLY think they would say "don't go to the police, come to us first" on a publication available to outsiders?
Reminds me alot about the whole Boy Scouts of America cover-up. I believe they had covered-up evidence of over 1500 pedo's in their ranks. Disgusting, just plain disgusting.
apoppin
Lifer
Thanks for posting that Dateline transcript. The original posted article missed a lot of detail necessary to make any kind of conclusion.
ALL organizations should take heed from this and have a very clear policy regarding the all too prevalent child abuse problem.
ALL organizations should take heed from this and have a very clear policy regarding the all too prevalent child abuse problem.
EXman
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blanket stereotypes don't hold water bro... they aer based on psuedo fact and opinions.
I do Agree JW is a Cult they and the Mormons both bother me with their in your face tatics. It makes witnessing alot harder when they are around. Alot of Christians are not very happy with cults (that claim to be christian) that go overboard with senceless cammando-witnessing.
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