Jeffrey Dean Morgan unleashed a

shortylickens

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shit storm.

http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2017/10/walking-dead-jeffrey-dean-morgan-all-lives-matter

He wore a blue lives matter t-shirt, and even worse, tried to defend himself after people started ridiculing him for it.
WHAT A BASTARD!
Actually, I am more irritated with all the people who immediately judge him and insult him and start proudly proclaiming they will no longer watch his series just because of this. I think the Social Justice Warriors have reached the point where they are no longer actually thinking for themselves anymore.
 

feralkid

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Dog whistle if ever there was.

He apparently didn't know that.

Motives good, execution bad.
 

shortylickens

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OK, I think I got what yur saying.
You were saying the Blue Lives Matter campaign is probably a Dog Whistle but because its so mild there are people supporting it who dont always understand whats really going on.
Am I correct in this?
 

feralkid

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That was my take on it.


Except it's not mild at all to some people, as you've noticed from the response
 

shortylickens

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That was my take on it.


Except it's not mild at all to some people, as you've noticed from the response

True. But sometimes I wonder if theres actual racism at play or if people are just projecting, assuming, or stirring the pot to get attention.
 

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I think most people who support Blue Lives Matter take up the cause casually, being ignorant of why Black Lives Matter became a thing in the first place. They just see Cops being attacked/criticized and take up support for the Cops.
 

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I think most people who support Blue Lives Matter take up the cause casually, being ignorant of why Black Lives Matter became a thing in the first place. They just see Cops being attacked/criticized and take up support for the Cops.

Lots of law enforcement in this country and they have lots of family and friends. My family has two in law enforcement and my best friend is also a cop. Do you think I take take that cause casually? More importantly, does the fact that I think blue lives matter mean I'm ignorant of other causes or movements? One cause does not cancel out the other. One cause does not specifically have more value than that of another.
 
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Lots of law enforcement in this country and they have lots of family and friends. My family has two in law enforcement and my best friend is also a cop. Do you think I take take that cause casually? More importantly, does the fact that I think blue lives matter mean I'm ignorant of other causes or movements? One cause does not cancel out the other. One cause does not specifically have more value than that of another.

Did I say all?
 

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I think most people who support Blue Lives Matter take up the cause casually, being ignorant of why Black Lives Matter became a thing in the first place. They just see Cops being attacked/criticized and take up support for the Cops.

And/or Fox News.
 

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It's one thing to express concern for good cops being killed or injured in the line of duty, but another to express it using a form of words which suggests it's a retort or response to BLM. The implication of sloganizing it that way in this context is that cops are dying because of an excessive level of concern for the lives of black people. Which is both offensive and just not true. Cops die because the US is a violent society (with a lot of weaponry). If one wants to express concern about that, a different way of expressing it might be less divisive.

Black Lives Matter as a slogan was intended to relate to a specific issue, which does not have a police equivalent. Police officers are not dying because of institutional and historical prejudicial attitudes against the police.

I would hope that JDM was intending to express the first sentiment, and didn't think about the implication of that way of expressing it.
 
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It's one thing to express concern for good cops being killed or injured in the line of duty, but another to express it using a form of words which suggests it's a retort or response to BLM. The implication of sloganizing it that way in this context is that cops are dying because of an excessive level of concern for the lives of black people. Which is both offensive and just not true. Cops die because the US is a violent society (with a lot of weaponry). If one wants to express concern about that, a different way of expressing it might be less divisive.

Black Lives Matter as a slogan was intended to relate to a specific issue, which does not have a police equivalent. Police officers are not dying because of institutional and historical prejudicial attitudes against the police.

I would hope that JDM was intending to express the first sentiment, and didn't think about the implication of that way of expressing it.

This.

They specifically chose Blue Lives Matter in an attempt to refute that there is systemic racism within law enforcement. It really is as simple as that. They knew exactly what they were doing and why they were doing it when they came up with that name.

And yes, this stuff can serve as dog whistles, because it is clearly focused on people that want to push that narrative, while seeming innocent to average person that isn't aware of the situation.

Lots of "alt-right" (or rather radical right) groups and personalities have openly admitted that they've been seeding dog-whistle terms, because they know that people that know what those actually mean will react (if they're of like mind they will laugh, if they're not of like mind they'll get rightly pissed off), while the average person will be ignorant and will propagate it, thinking its going along with something similar (the "___ lives matter"), or is just random nonsense (i.e. the Pepe memes) done as harmless fun. Which is why you get "moderates" buying into the "too PC!" bullshit because they're either ignorant or don't want to believe that such hate groups/people can hijack pop culture to spread their beliefs. There's more (i.e., take the "objectivists" like that Google person that wrote the one memo, where they're pretty much just pushing old school eugenics beliefs)

Just like how the KKK knew to go after disenfranchised soldiers that left the military, these groups are keen at targeting certain "at risk" groups. Lots of cops feel victimized by the revelations, so they latch on. And the "alt-right" knew to target angsty young people that tended to be isolated/introverted/etc. They knew especially to target younger white males and tap into their latent rage (as a white male, and growing up with lots of others, I know it very well, and have come to see how bullshit it is and how it makes us incredibly manipulative).

Its literally the exact same shit that ISIS does (only ISIS targets a slightly different demographic). They use memes and social media to connect, then prod, and when finding someone in the right mindset, then work to manipulate them and win them over to their line of thinking.
 
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Lots of law enforcement in this country and they have lots of family and friends. My family has two in law enforcement and my best friend is also a cop. Do you think I take take that cause casually? More importantly, does the fact that I think blue lives matter mean I'm ignorant of other causes or movements? One cause does not cancel out the other. One cause does not specifically have more value than that of another.

Blue Lives Matter is specifically attempting to refute the Black Lives Matter cause, literally attempting to cancel it out. So yes, if you don't think that's the case and that Blue Lives Matter is innocently just about the dangers of being law enforcement, you are ignorant.

In this case, it does have less value, because the issues that Blue Lives Matter claims to be about, would actually be made better if instead of antagonizing the Black Lives Matter movement, they instead reached out and said "yes things need changed", it will help you and it will help us. Cops being prone to using worse methods for people of color causes their job to be more dangerous. Going in, and escalating situations immediately makes them worse. Being prone to arresting black citizens more than white (and it leading to worse repercussions like charges/sentences), makes black people feel they need to fight and try to escape encounters with police. Systemic racism led to the things that cops point to as being just logical reactions such as crime in ghettos. The government created ghettos by specifically pushing non-whites into certain areas of cities via "red lining", effectively limiting their opportunities to improve. And instead of acknowledging this stuff, cops have chosen instead to try to cover up any and all wrongdoings on their part.

Simply put, instead of cops waking up and realizing how much bullshit became institutionalized to them, they're trying to put their fingers in their ears and go "nuh-uh, you!" like a bunch of 5 year olds, and thus actively working against making their profession better (which would benefit them and make it less dangerous). They try to resist even simple things that would seemingly backup their claims (stuff like body cams, or being filmed by bystanders). They try to get laws passed to protect them even though they rarely if ever even get charged let alone convicted.
 
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Blue Lives Matter is specifically attempting to refute the Black Lives Matter cause, literally attempting to cancel it out. So yes, if you don't think that's the case and that Blue Lives Matter is innocently just about the dangers of being law enforcement, you are ignorant.

Assuming lots of things not true or provable is worse than ignorance.

You have absolutely no evidence that Blue Lives Matter is LITERALLY attempting to cancel anything out. Thats just a ridiculous bullshit claim and so annoyingly stupid you should be pee pee slapped for even writing it.
 

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Actually, I am more irritated with all the people who immediately judge him and insult him and start proudly proclaiming they will no longer watch his series just because of this. I think the Social Justice Warriors have reached the point where they are no longer actually thinking for themselves anymore.[/QUOTE]

Free country, bruh
 
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Assuming lots of things not true or provable is worse than ignorance.

You have absolutely no evidence that Blue Lives Matter is LITERALLY attempting to cancel anything out. Thats just a ridiculous bullshit claim and so annoyingly stupid you should be pee pee slapped for even writing it.

Without taking a side, I would point out just the fact that they copied the slogan, crossed out black, and inserted blue is an act consistent with what he said.

Why choose that slogan other than to antagonize?

Could have just said "pray for our blue", "love your LEO" or some other dumb phrase and left the issue disentangled from BLM.
But that's not the path they choose. Why?
 
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Actually, I am more irritated with all the people who immediately judge him and insult him and start proudly proclaiming they will no longer watch his series just because of this. I think the Social Justice Warriors have reached the point where they are no longer actually thinking for themselves anymore.

Free country, bruh

I think your quote formatting went wrong there, and it made it hard to quote your post.

I'm still gonna watch TWD (well, when I next visit my one friend who actually has a TV). Because boycotting products because you disagree with the politics of anybody who happened to work on them would mean hardly being able to consume anything at all, including food. Especially as there's almost nobody I really agree with about everything.

The actual politics of the show seem harmless to me, other than the obvious pro-gun-ownership subtext (but I just bracket that out as being the correct stance for the alternative universe in which the show occurs).