Jeb wants to keep the one war per term Bush record going.

senseamp

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The original signatory founder of neoconservatism, Jeb Bush, wants to declare a war ASAP.
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/260212-bush-declare-war-on-isis
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“We should declare war and harness all of the power the U.S. can bring to bear, both diplomatic and military, of course, to be able to take out ISIS,” the former Florida governor said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

Surprisingly, he did not volunteer to go fight ISIS. That will be for your cannon fodder kids to do.
 

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Why do you want the terrorists to win?

Why do you support the pussification of America?

Why do you hate our armed forces?
 

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He didn't mention a full scale ground operation, or anything specific for that matter. This is why I have trouble with GOP criticisms of Obama on this. They say we aren't being aggressive enough, but do not advocate ground troops, nor say much of anything terribly specific. I want to know what they think we can do short of ground forces.
 

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Just using Obama and Clinton as a punching bag may work with gop primary voters but it won't the general election. You need an actual plan to sway independents and right now all their plan is cancel obamacare, no increase to minimum wage and bomb bomb bomb.

Lets see how well that plays.
 

senseamp

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He also didn't mention how he is going to pay for it. Somehow we never have to bother paying for Bush wars.
 

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He also didn't mention how he is going to pay for it. Somehow we never have to bother paying for Bush wars.

But we do have to worry about deficit that our grandkids will have to pay when the country starts to get quasi smart and says no to Bush wars.
 

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Surprisingly, he did not volunteer to go fight ISIS. That will be for your cannon fodder kids to do.

Operation Iraqi Freedom
In the invasion phase of the war (19 March–30 April)...
Coalition forces reported the death in combat of 139 U.S. military personnel and 33 UK military personnel.


The cost of killing an enemy is cheap compared to the cost of an occupation. In this case we wouldn't be toppling the Iraqi government, we'd be assisting them at reclaiming half their country. It's a simple task, an achievable goal, and no occupation.

What we need is a US leader who understands this.
Granted, I don't believe Jeb is one of them. His brother committed a great betrayal by parking our soldiers on the streets with asinine rules of engagement. The entire point of any future operation is that the locals police themselves.
 

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Operation Iraqi Freedom
In the invasion phase of the war (19 March–30 April)...
Coalition forces reported the death in combat of 139 U.S. military personnel and 33 UK military personnel.


The cost of killing an enemy is cheap compared to the cost of an occupation. In this case we wouldn't be toppling the Iraqi government, we'd be assisting them at reclaiming half their country. It's a simple task, an achievable goal, and no occupation.

What we need is a US leader who understands this.
Granted, I don't believe Jeb is one of them. His brother committed a great betrayal by parking our soldiers on the streets with asinine rules of engagement. The entire point of any future operation is that the locals police themselves.

You are a fool if you think it's a "simple task."
There is no Iraqi government that can control the whole country. Even if we go in, as soon as we leave, ISIS will re-emerge, and we'll be back at square one. So it will be occupation all over again, or it will be a waste of time and money, or most likely under a Bush, both.
 

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Operation Iraqi Freedom
In the invasion phase of the war (19 March–30 April)...
Coalition forces reported the death in combat of 139 U.S. military personnel and 33 UK military personnel.


The cost of killing an enemy is cheap compared to the cost of an occupation. In this case we wouldn't be toppling the Iraqi government, we'd be assisting them at reclaiming half their country. It's a simple task, an achievable goal, and no occupation.

What we need is a US leader who understands this.
Granted, I don't believe Jeb is one of them. His brother committed a great betrayal by parking our soldiers on the streets with asinine rules of engagement. The entire point of any future operation is that the locals police themselves.

There is no more Iraq.. it's a line on a paper that no one cares about but the news media.

There used to be Iraq and we destroyed it. The Army and Dictator were Shia keeping order of Sunnis and Kurds.

The person we installed as the head of the government was the head of the Sunnis who has no interest in Shia and Kurds. Remember the news the Shias were not getting paid wages for years because the Sunni's just pocketed the dollars we sent for the stability of the country.

Now what do you think someone armed with guns who is unemployed and being ripped off by opposing faction will do? Sing kumbaya about the greatness and unity of Iraq?

We should have never invaded Iraq. Atleast then it would still be a country.
 

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He also didn't mention how he is going to pay for it. Somehow we never have to bother paying for Bush wars.

These wars pay for themselves. Also we will be greeted as liberators. Didn't you learn anything from Dick Cheney?
 

Jaskalas

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We should have never invaded Iraq.

Of course not, but this is how we deal with ISIS. By reclaiming that territory through military conquest.
There is an Iraqi State, and an Iraqi military. They just need help to put down ISIS.
 

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Send our troops back in and stomp some ISIS ass. Whoohooo. Get some.

And then what? More of that hold the line and stay the course bullshit? lol

How 'bout dividing the country up along tribal lines the way it was before the western nations set up the middle eastern borders willy nilly? Have them become Unions of Free Association, each one sharing in the cost of defense, infrastructure, etc. and sharing equally in revenues derived from oil?

Or, if not that, then let the people themselves negotiate among themselves and divide the lands into provinces within the current borders along sectarian/tribal preferences where all have free regulated access to each other's territories.

edit - UN sanctioned and supported, of course.
 
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Of course not, but this is how we deal with ISIS. By reclaiming that territory through military conquest.
There is an Iraqi State, and an Iraqi military. They just need help to put down ISIS.

And after you get done with Iraq, what then? Roll into Syria and where ever they may be? removing ISIS from Iraq isn't going to eliminate them. Your asking for a permanent war.
 

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Should Bush have argued that we continue fighting without a declaration?

Remember: Obama wanted a declaration earlier this year, too. Most everyone does but Congress never seems to be able to deliver.
 

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Of course not, but this is how we deal with ISIS. By reclaiming that territory through military conquest.
There is an Iraqi State, and an Iraqi military. They just need help to put down ISIS.
Love how you use the word "just" when discussing bringing peace to the middle east. Easy!
 
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If Jaskalas has declared that it is a simple task, who are we to argue?
 

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The previous Bush administration failed to deliver on the suggestion that Iraqi oil would pay for much of the costs involved in an Iraq invasion.


http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2011/1222/Iraq-war-Predictions-made-and-results

Ahead of and shortly after the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, a number of officials, including former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz suggested the war could be done on the cheap and that it would largely pay for itself. In October 2003, Rumsfeld told a press conference about President Bush's request for $21 billion for Iraq and Afghan reconstruction that "the $20 billion the president requested is not intended to cover all of Iraq's needs.

The bulk of the funds for Iraq's reconstruction will come from Iraqis -- from oil revenues, recovered assets, international trade, direct foreign investment, as well as some contributions we've already received and hope to receive from the international community." In March 2003, Mr. Wolfowitz told Congress that "we're really dealing with a country that could finance its own reconstruction."

In April 2003, the Pentagon said the war would cost about $2 billion a month, and in July of that year Rumsfeld increased that estimate to $4 billion.

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1948787,00.html
U.S. Companies Shut Out as Iraq Auctions Its Oil Fields

Those who claim that the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003 to get control of the country's giant oil reserves will be left scratching their heads by the results of last weekend's auction of Iraqi oil contracts: Not a single U.S. company secured a deal in the auction of contracts that will shape the Iraqi oil industry for the next couple of decades. Two of the most lucrative of the multi-billion-dollar oil contracts went to two countries which bitterly opposed the U.S. invasion — Russia and China — while even Total Oil of France, which led the charge to deny international approval for the war at the U.N. Security Council in 2003, won a bigger stake than the Americans in the most recent auction.

Maybe that's why JEB! isn't getting much support from banksters and oil barons now....



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Why do you hate our armed forces?

What does this mean? Do you hate the armed forces if you do not want to push them into bullcrap war after bullcrap war to the point where they come home and cant even live in a country so unjust and end up killing themselves in record numbers? It seems to me that the people who hate the armed forces are the ones who keep sending them off to be totally screwed up for life just to serve a select few special interests rather than the national security of the country.
 

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This is why liberals are foolish for thinking the tax payers should pay for higher education.

Need that money for more wars instead.
 

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I wonder what you all will say when one of these events happen in NYC, San Francisco, or Washington DC?

ISIS is coming, right along with all of those unvetted refugees.
 

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I wonder what you all will say when one of these events happen in NYC, San Francisco, or Washington DC?

ISIS is coming, right along with all of those unvetted refugees.

oh good. Use fear to drag the country into war. Where have we seen that before?

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This is why liberals are foolish for thinking the tax payers should pay for higher education.

Need that money for more wars instead.


Plus smart kids don't go to war so we cant have that kind of populace.
 

Jaskalas

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Love how you use the word "just" when discussing bringing peace to the middle east. Easy!

If Jaskalas has declared that it is a simple task, who are we to argue?

If you want to kill our soldiers you place them on the streets as Bush did.
His misuse of them is his crime.

Your lack of faith in them perhaps stems from that misuse, but make no mistake our military excels at killing targets. That is their mission, their training, and their expertise. The problem is their political commanders have the brains god gave a mule.

That's why we were policing the streets, instead of leaving enough of Iraq intact to do it themselves. Well guess what cupcake? The governments of Iraq and Syria exist today. They can and should be utilized in securing their own countries.

Between supplies, airstrikes, and a complete destruction of ISIS's ability to mobilize, the miltiaries of Iraq and Syria can win the war. All we have to do is be there to facilitate it. An intelligent use of our military. To restore stability.

What the hell do you have against cleaning up Bush's mess and securing the Middle East?
You stand against doing what is right in this world.
Do not stand between us and ISIS.