Jeb Bush: "You Need To Work Longer Hours"

[Jhhnn]

Trump is just a tool to make the actual GOP nomination look sane. Without him the whole party would be ignored as bat shit crazy and semi retarded.

It's not like Repubs can disown him or any of their other crazy uncles, either, but they'll try.

 

[werepossum]

Good point. Personally I feel Congress should have a 50-60 hour work week and campaigning doesn't count. I am ok giving people up for election some extra time off (some). They should be in session minimal 48 weeks per year and I'm ok with them having 8 holidays per year. They can choose.

Sweet Lord, are you trying to enslave us all? The very last thing we need is more legislation.

And the next-to-last thing we need is government making sure "there are full time jobs for everyone that wants one." A few million telephone sterilizers earning $20k and cost the taxpayers $100k isn't going to restore prosperity.

 

[ivwshane]

AFAIK Trump is #2 in polling and rising fast.

And your point is what? That all but bush are garbage compared to trump?

 

[Jhhnn]

Sweet Lord, are you trying to enslave us all? The very last thing we need is more legislation.

And the next-to-last thing we need is government making sure "there are full time jobs for everyone that wants one." A few million telephone sterilizers earning $20k and cost the taxpayers $100k isn't going to restore prosperity.

Gawd. It's not like Repubs' Cut! Cut! Cut! govt spending, benefits & payrolls will do any better.

It just makes it better at the top & worse for the rest of us. When unemployment runs rampant, the best thing to do is force more layoffs, right?

The notion that govt spending is entirely wasteful is obviously dishonest propagandizing, as well.

 

[Greenman]

Jeb Bush just gave up any shot at the presidency.
Something in that Florida air really does a number on you.

That's my take on it. Stupid idea is stupid.

 

[pcgeek11]

Interesting, I am salaried I don't get paid for working more hours.

so there goes his theory

So it is his fault you took a shitty job that doesn't pay overtime.... OK.

 

[pcgeek11]

If you are hourly your hours paid for are set by employer.

If you are salaried your pay is fixed so how is it "No"

If you are hourly your hours paid for are set by the actual number of hours that you work. Which may or may not be set in stone. Nobody said that you were to work for free.

If you are salaried your pay is fixed. So yes if you work more hours then you are stupid.

 

[HomerJS]

If you are hourly your hours paid for are set by the actual number of hours that you work. Which may or may not be set in stone. Nobody said that you were to work for free.

If you are salaried your pay is fixed. So yes if you work more hours then you are stupid.

Ask any hourly worker if they can just work more hours on their own and get paid??

 

[MrPickins]

So it is his fault you took a shitty job that doesn't pay overtime.... OK.

Lots of good jobs are exempt positions. Most software developers, for example.

 

[Jeff7]

Interesting how societies oscillate. The frequency is very low though.

- Work long hours and give everything you've got for the sake of your employer.
- Unions show up because people are tired of being treated like disposable crap for lousy wages.
- Unions are seen as decadent and corrupt (and sometimes they are) and we're certainly back at the "lousy wages" thing. Outright dangerous and awful work conditions have been shipped to China; I suppose we've at least got OSHA and unemployment benefits and that sort of thing here.

I wonder how long it'll take until the oscillation heads back the other way again.

Sweet Lord, are you trying to enslave us all? The very last thing we need is more legislation.

And the next-to-last thing we need is government making sure "there are full time jobs for everyone that wants one." A few million telephone sterilizers earning $20k and cost the taxpayers $100k isn't going to restore prosperity.

How about jobs that improve or add infrastructure that aims to promote future economic prosperity?

(I dislike spending for the sake of spending. But some "spending" may in fact serve as "investing." I guess nothing's ever simple.)

 

[sportage]

Screech... (sound of screeching wheels - Or a record scratch)
WTF Jeb?

The Bush's really have no idea how America works, and that is literally have no idea.
Those that work part time actually work not one part time job, but several part time jobs.
And part time has nothing to do with the worker or their lack of productivity.
But you can never expect a republican, especially a republican with the last name of Bush or Romney, to understand any of that...
To a Bush, part time means one 20 hour a week.
To those actually working part time, that means working two, or three part time jobs.
Totaling more hours worked in a single week than most Bush clan work in a lifetime.
And this guy wants to be president?
WTF Jeb. WTF I say.
God help us all....

I have a great idea.
Lets do ourselves a HUGE favor come 2016.
Lets vote "stupid" out of our politics.
Lets vote "stupid" out of the house, out of the senate, and put as much distance between the presidency and "stupid" as we possibility can.

And you wonder how a Jeb presidency would compare to a GW presidency?
There, right there you have your answer. Directly from the horses mouth.
There is the telling thing about so many republican politicians,
that they are never afraid to expose their stupidity.
They need no coaxing, it just comes naturally.

 

[werepossum]

Interesting how societies oscillate. The frequency is very low though.

- Work long hours and give everything you've got for the sake of your employer.
- Unions show up because people are tired of being treated like disposable crap for lousy wages.
- Unions are seen as decadent and corrupt (and sometimes they are) and we're certainly back at the "lousy wages" thing. Outright dangerous and awful work conditions have been shipped to China; I suppose we've at least got OSHA and unemployment benefits and that sort of thing here.

I wonder how long it'll take until the oscillation heads back the other way again.



How about jobs that improve or add infrastructure that aims to promote future economic prosperity?

(I dislike spending for the sake of spending. But some "spending" may in fact serve as "investing." I guess nothing's ever simple.)

To a politician, ALL spending is investing and all taxes are contributions. Differentiation will fall along political lines, not some mythical wisdom of creating prosperity.

I remain unconvinced that any small subset of us is smarter than all of us. People making the decisions that are the best for themselves and their families is THE best system known to man. Therefore what I want in a government is to police the system, never to design or drive the system. The only exceptions to that (off the top of my head anyway) are things that are inherently too big, too long term, or too diffused in benefit to attract the private sector, and short term stimulus programs during sharp recessions to break the cycle of business trying to get ahead of the economic collapse.

 

[pcgeek11]

Ask any hourly worker if they can just work more hours on their own and get paid??

Nobody said on your own. Although I do quite frequently.

 

[pcgeek11]

Lots of good jobs are exempt positions. Most software developers, for example.

That is my point. Lots of good jobs are exempt salaried.
Lots more crappy jobs are also exempt salaried.

If you are working too much overtime as an exempt salaried worker = crappy job.

 

[pcgeek11]

So Bush is advocating the average American employee work more hours for "job creators" for free?

No.

If you are hourly your hours paid for are set by employer.

If you are salaried your pay is fixed so how is it "No"

Where in that chain does it say we need to work for free, except where you suggested it?

 

[HomerJS]

Where in that chain does it say we need to work for free, except where you suggested it?

If your employer says your hours are set to 40 next week and you come in and work 45 following Jeb's lead will your employer pay you for those extra 5?

 

[werepossum]

If your employer says your hours are set to 40 next week and you come in and work 45 following Jeb's lead will your employer pay you for those extra 5?

Hmm, if only there was some way whereby an employer could somehow reward an employee who works unusually hard . . .

Nah, that's just crazy talk. We all know that people who earn more money do so only because they are brown-nosers who "won life's lottery".

 

[Moonbeam]

Hmm, if only there was some way whereby an employer could somehow reward an employee who works unusually hard . . .

Nah, that's just crazy talk. We all know that people who earn more money do so only because they are brown-nosers who "won life's lottery".

Right, the dunce lottery you worship is the lottery in which such a boss exists.

Clearly the way to get dynamite workers is the same used with CEOs. Inspire them to their God levels of productivity by paying them unimaginable amounts more than they they're worth.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I really think Jeb just misspoke he was trying to make another point but failed.
What rational person would believe that more people getting more work done would lower unemployment? Increased efficiency doesn't work that way most of the time.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Sweet Lord, are you trying to enslave us all? The very last thing we need is more legislation.

Haha point taken

 

[thraashman]

Lots of good jobs are exempt positions. Most software developers, for example.

Story of my life. I've regularly been in positions where I worked 60-70 weeks for a couple months at a time or where I've done 20+ hour shifts. And that was always with no extra pay and no comped days off.

Hmm, if only there was some way whereby an employer could somehow reward an employee who works unusually hard . . .

Nah, that's just crazy talk. We all know that people who earn more money do so only because they are brown-nosers who "won life's lottery".

Any time I've ever worked in an hourly position there's standing rules of "No unapproved overtime" and "Do NOT EVER work off the clock".
I can also say that at most companies I've worked for, no matter how good you are, raises are capped and unless you turn in a resignation they will not attempt to reward you more than the minimal. Companies and the people that run them are greedy. They will 99% of the time try to screw their employees to add another dollar to their bottom line.

 

[Lash444]

I can also say that at most companies I've worked for, no matter how good you are, raises are capped and unless you turn in a resignation they will not attempt to reward you more than the minimal. Companies and the people that run them are greedy. They will 99% of the time try to screw their employees to add another dollar to their bottom line.

In today's market, if you want to make more money, you need to switch companies/jobs.

That is the bottom line.

Working really hard to get rewarded, just doesn't work. Unless you gain knowledge that makes you nearly irreplaceable, and even then you have to bring it to their attention by showing proof that other companies are interested in you at a higher wage.

Are there exceptions? Clearly, but that doesn't mean it is the norm. Salespeople? Sure. Its easy to prove your "worth". But for the majority of positions, and the majority of companies... if you work your ass off, all you get is more work.

I would wager that a person is exponentially more likely to be better off by taking one job after the next and moving up the ladder that way, then expecting your company to reward you for the hard work you have done in the past.

 

[ivwshane]

In today's market, if you want to make more money, you need to switch companies/jobs.

That is the bottom line.

Working really hard to get rewarded, just doesn't work. Unless you gain knowledge that makes you nearly irreplaceable, and even then you have to bring it to their attention by showing proof that other companies are interested in you at a higher wage.

Are there exceptions? Clearly, but that doesn't mean it is the norm. Salespeople? Sure. Its easy to prove your "worth". But for the majority of positions, and the majority of companies... if you work your ass off, all you get is more work.

I would wager that a person is exponentially more likely to be better off by taking one job after the next and moving up the ladder that way, then expecting your company to reward you for the hard work you have done in the past.

Sadly enough, studies actually show that to be the case. Want better pay? Quit and go work somewhere else.

 

[MrPickins]

That is my point. Lots of good jobs are exempt salaried.
Lots more crappy jobs are also exempt salaried.

If you are working too much overtime as an exempt salaried worker = crappy job.

But that's not at all what you said:

So it is his fault you took a shitty job that doesn't pay overtime.... OK

You implied that any job that doesn't pay overtime is shitty.

 

[pcgeek11]

If your employer says your hours are set to 40 next week and you come in and work 45 following Jeb's lead will your employer pay you for those extra 5?

Yes, they have to by law pay you for the hours worked. You will probably be reprimanded for it, but. Why would you do that.

That is not what he is saying at all. What he is saying to get more underemployed people working a Full Time job. But you are trying to twist it around into something else.