JD Power releases 2004 Vehicle Dependability Study

[CFster]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: CFster
I can't believe Porsche, BMW and GM are as high on the list as they are.

This certainly hasn't been my experience.

Uh...I am surprised that so many of you didn't think Porsches were that reliable. I knew it all along.

You guys need to make up your mind. Either this list is a fraud, or it is right.

What are you saying?

I've always known they were unreliable. I'm surprised to see them towards the top of the list. The fact that it's on the list doesn't change my mind - especially because I have two late models in my shop right now.

 

[brtspears2]

Gotta be kidding me, Chevy Malibu highest ranked entry midsize car.

But then I do drive one, 5 yrs, 75k miles later, only needed oil changes, belts, alternator, water pump.

 

[WobbleWobble]

How does this compare to the other study that rated the Initial Quality of companies like Hyundai ahead of Honda but behind Toyota?

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: CFster
I can't believe Porsche, BMW and GM are as high on the list as they are.

This certainly hasn't been my experience.

Uh...I am surprised that so many of you didn't think Porsches were that reliable. I knew it all along.

You guys need to make up your mind. Either this list is a fraud, or it is right.

What are you saying?

I've always known they were unreliable. I'm surprised to see them towards the top of the list. The fact that it's on the list doesn't change my mind - especially because I have two late models in my shop right now.

I wasn't talking entirely to you.

Obviously you think they are unreliable, and I think they are not. I don't care what you have in your shop right now.

My point is that people either need to realize that the list is correct, and GM actually is that high, or they need to stop saying "lexus kicks ass as usual....

love my is300 " .

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: WobbleWobble
How does this compare to the other study that rated the Initial Quality of companies like Hyundai ahead of Honda but behind Toyota?

Intial quality studies NEW cars within the first 90 days of ownership I think.

Dependibility takes a look at 3 year old cars. The fact that Toyota does rather well on both speaks highly.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: DonVito
I have always been a little wary of the great J.D. Power and their studies.

I don't know that the raw number of "problems" with a new vehicle is indicative of ultimate reliability, and the survey says nothing about the respective seriousness of the "problems".

I know if I had to rely on a car's reliability to carry me safely across Death Valley or a similarly hostile environment, I'd choose a Toyota (#8 on their "Nameplate VDS Ranking") over a Buick (#2) every day and twice on Sunday.

I was thinking the samething.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4
Toyota still ownz. HUZZAH! 😛

Where are Camry and Accord? Malibu, Altima, and Grand Am are top picks.

I said Toyota, not Camry and Accord. Are you dense or can you just not read? I think it's just a little of both 😀

But Camry is Toyota's bread and butter car, they've been doing it for years, what did they do wrong?
Same for Accord.
With camcords, people sacrifice driving excitement and styling with the expectation of higher dependability, and they aren't getting it, apparently.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4
Toyota still ownz. HUZZAH! 😛

Where are Camry and Accord? Malibu, Altima, and Grand Am are top picks.

I said Toyota, not Camry and Accord. Are you dense or can you just not read? I think it's just a little of both 😀

But Camry is Toyota's bread and butter car, they've been doing it for years, what did they do wrong?
Same for Accord.
With camcords, people sacrifice driving excitement and styling with the expectation of higher dependability, and they aren't getting it, apparently.

2001 was the first year that the new generation Camrys came out ('02 models). That's the only thing I can think of (first year glitches). Don't know what the Accord's excuse is though, it was at the end of its life cycle.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4
Toyota still ownz. HUZZAH! 😛

Where are Camry and Accord? Malibu, Altima, and Grand Am are top picks.

I said Toyota, not Camry and Accord. Are you dense or can you just not read? I think it's just a little of both 😀

But Camry is Toyota's bread and butter car, they've been doing it for years, what did they do wrong?
Same for Accord.
With camcords, people sacrifice driving excitement and styling with the expectation of higher dependability, and they aren't getting it, apparently.

my 2004 Camry XLE is pretty exciting to drive. the V6 has plenty of power and the McFearson (sp) suspension on the steep & curvy roads in the Rocky Mountains is very responsive and feels solid.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: rh71
Wow Isuzu worse than Hyundai ? I don't have that many probs with my 'Zu.

My friend who works at Saturn Saab Isuzu says the only cars that don't come back too often are Saturns.. he said Saab was awful, and Isuzu is no better... ouch!

 

[boomdart]

Originally posted by: BigSmooth
http://www.jdpower.com/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2004055

Pretty much what you'd expect. Toyota and Honda dominate. Domestics improved a lot, particularly GM. Some European brands did not fare well. Koreans are still at the bottom, but remember they have already made significant gains in initial quality since 2001 so dependability should continue to rise as well.

Many models have been redesigned or improved since 2001, but this study gives you a decent idea of what to expect from a given manufacturer, and it's helpful for looking at used cars.

I'm surprised ford is behind GM 😕

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: CFster
I can't believe Porsche, BMW and GM are as high on the list as they are.

This certainly hasn't been my experience.

Uh...I am surprised that so many of you didn't think Porsches were that reliable. I knew it all along.

You guys need to make up your mind. Either this list is a fraud, or it is right.

What are you saying?

I've always known they were unreliable. I'm surprised to see them towards the top of the list. The fact that it's on the list doesn't change my mind - especially because I have two late models in my shop right now.

I wasn't talking entirely to you.

Obviously you think they are unreliable, and I think they are not. I don't care what you have in your shop right now.

My point is that people either need to realize that the list is correct, and GM actually is that high, or they need to stop saying "lexus kicks ass as usual....

love my is300 " .

Oh ok.

1. The list is incorrect.

2. Lexus kicks ass as usual.

IMO

 

[Squisher]

For those of you suprised by GMs showing remember that these numbers are for 2004 models.


This isn't for your father's Oldsmobile.😉

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Squisher
For those of you suprised by GMs showing remember that these numbers are for 2004 models.


This isn't for your father's Oldsmobile.😉

OMG did you even read it? It is NOT 2004, it is the 2001 model years cars.

"The 2004 Vehicle Dependability Study is based on responses from more than 48,000 original owners of 2001 model-year cars and light trucks. "

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4
Toyota still ownz. HUZZAH! 😛

Where are Camry and Accord? Malibu, Altima, and Grand Am are top picks.

I said Toyota, not Camry and Accord. Are you dense or can you just not read? I think it's just a little of both 😀

But Camry is Toyota's bread and butter car, they've been doing it for years, what did they do wrong?
Same for Accord.
With camcords, people sacrifice driving excitement and styling with the expectation of higher dependability, and they aren't getting it, apparently.

my 2004 Camry XLE is pretty exciting to drive. the V6 has plenty of power and the McFearson (sp) suspension on the steep & curvy roads in the Rocky Mountains is very responsive and feels solid.

McPhearson strut suspension is nothing to brag about, since it's pretty much standard on all cars with few exceptions. The V6 engine is adequate and tranny smooth. Also, Camry is NOT exciting to drive, unless you find rocking chairs exciting. That car drives like a boat. It does feel solid, I'll grant you that, but you don't feel much else in that car. What is strange to me is that 2001 Malibu is basically a rental car, and it's rated more dependable than Camry and Accord. Same for grand Am. 2001 Altima had a truck engine and wasn't all that great of a car either.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4
Toyota still ownz. HUZZAH! 😛

Where are Camry and Accord? Malibu, Altima, and Grand Am are top picks.

I said Toyota, not Camry and Accord. Are you dense or can you just not read? I think it's just a little of both 😀

But Camry is Toyota's bread and butter car, they've been doing it for years, what did they do wrong?
Same for Accord.
With camcords, people sacrifice driving excitement and styling with the expectation of higher dependability, and they aren't getting it, apparently.

my 2004 Camry XLE is pretty exciting to drive. the V6 has plenty of power and the McFearson (sp) suspension on the steep & curvy roads in the Rocky Mountains is very responsive and feels solid.

McPhearson strut suspension is nothing to brag about, since it's pretty much standard on all cars with few exceptions. The V6 engine is adequate and tranny smooth. Also, Camry is NOT exciting to drive, unless you find rocking chairs exciting. That car drives like a boat. It does feel solid, I'll grant you that, but you don't feel much else in that car. What is strange to me is that 2001 Malibu is basically a rental car, and it's rated more dependable than Camry and Accord. Same for grand Am. 2001 Altima had a truck engine and wasn't all that great of a car either.

The Boxster and 911 have McPherson struts up front😛