Japanese War Museum: Fact or Fiction?

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alphatarget1

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Thanks for the more neutral link but it is not an impartial source. Are the archives from the military tribunal online? Those are certainly horrorific to Westerners but they are normal for Asians. The Chinese and Koreans were just as brutal to their own citizens following the war as the Japanese were to them.

You are the biggest piece of shit Narmer.
 

Narmer

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You are the biggest piece of shit Narmer.

What? Learn some history that's not Ameri-centric, idiots. What, you thought the conflicts after Germany and Japan surrendered? No way, there were revenge killings, civil conflicts, and the eventual formation of dictatorships in places like Taiwan, Korea, and China. And, yes, they were brutal. This does not excuse what the Japanese did but, at the same time, it isn't surprising.

Seriously, some of you guys need to look at history that is not ameri-centric.
 
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British imperialism was among the worst of all mankind. Many people supported the Japanese as a way to do away with the British monsters. Do us all a favor and crack open a history textbook. Many of the acts that the Japanese inflicted upon countries pale to what the British were doing. Hundreds of millions were slaughtered. And it happened for CENTURIES, not decades.


Insanity lives in your brain, don't expect others to see it because we can't.
 
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Do you think the Japanese deny their atrocities? Or only Euros?

Are you so fucked in your head that you are going to play with the retard?

Germany has fucking LAWS against forgetting their past, Japan has shrines to remember their past as good things.

I know you are kinda fucked up in your skull, but not as much as that twat.

He is certifiably insane and has trolled every single thread on this forum with his euro-hating bullsheit and yet... that is ok..

Others have been banned for much less. Perhaps he's useful in other forums?
 
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Exactly, you dropped two nukes, killed 300-500k people in total, it was worth it because the peace treaty before they refused to let go of their emperor and that was why... the peace treaty after you realised the damage... you signed the same treaty as before the bombing.

THE EXACT SAME PEACE TRETY!

Not something you learn in school, is it, kinda like how Catholic schools don't say much about the burning of little girls during the inquisition.

It's still true.
 

Infohawk

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They have fool. Where have you been?

Your feelings hurt cause I pointed out your brain isn't making sense? Try not to take it personally. I haven't seen much change in Islam since 9/11. The fact that a group of muslims wants to build a mosque near Islam's deadliest attack shows they haven't taken it to heart. At least this Japanese museum isn't located in Nanking, for example.
 

WackyDan

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The Japanese are guilty of many war atrocities in many different places. They gave candy laced with opium to children. They stole young women to serve as forced sex slaves, they used forced labor of koreans to do mining, farming, and many of them were killed when we nuked japan. They chopped down all the trees in korea they could easily get to. They burned many historical books in Korea. The Japanese did the same thing also in China and Indonesia. No one should ever trust the Japanese.

Lets not forget the experiments they performed on downed US pilots. Just like the Nazis they conducted many experiments on american POWs as part of genetic research, high altitude flight, etc.

The Japanese military was indeed a monster in regard to the forced labor, rapes, and POW treatment... Very similar to the atrocities committed by Germany.
 

sandorski

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Your feelings hurt cause I pointed out your brain isn't making sense? Try not to take it personally. I haven't seen much change in Islam since 9/11. The fact that a group of muslims wants to build a mosque near Islam's deadliest attack shows they haven't taken it to heart. At least this Japanese museum isn't located in Nanking, for example.

Fail
 

CanOWorms

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Justifying it? Where have I explicitly justified Western Imperialism exactly other then in your crude and vague assertions?

I pasted one of your own quotes. I'll do it again:

"American, British and French forces received the support of the native populace in those same nations during the war."

Also we have tons of books, college courses, etc on the subject of Western Imperialism and its effect both bad/good around the world. Can you say that about Japan and their almost complete denial of what they did in Asia during WW2? No you can't because to this day they still refuse to acknowledge any major wrong doing and instead they use your flawed line of reasoning to dismiss what happened by bringing up past events to dismiss their actions....aka 2 wrongs making a right.

There are lots of books, college courses, etc. on the subject of Japan's WW2 activities.

Japan has acknowledged its history many, many times. They do it repeatedly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

Looks like a giant list. Where is a list of the British apology statements? They still glorify the era of their Evil Empire.
 

Infohawk

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Lots of people from all sorts of countries deny or forget atrocities.

Do you think that Europeans do not deny atrocities during their era of colonialism?

No. Next question, can you find a way to blame the Rape of Nanking on Europe?
 

Narmer

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Justifying it? Where have I explicitly justified Western Imperialism exactly other then in your crude and vague assertions?

Also we have tons of books, college courses, etc on the subject of Western Imperialism and its effect both bad/good around the world. Can you say that about Japan and their almost complete denial of what they did in Asia during WW2? No you can't because to this day they still refuse to acknowledge any major wrong doing and instead they use your flawed line of reasoning to dismiss what happened by bringing up past events to dismiss their actions....aka 2 wrongs making a right.

Japan gave Taiwan an excellent educational system...

Also, idiot, Japan has apologized many times and the Japanese Prime Minister is expected to go to Nanking to apologize for what the Japanese did. Like I've said repeatedly in this thread, you need to read sources that are not Ameri-centric or Euro-centric. Perhaps you should visit Japan and these other countries and see the truth for yourself.
 
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Narmer

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A lot of people here are an embarrassment to the American educational system. For such an immigrant society you guys have very little understanding of the rest of the world.
 

alphatarget1

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A lot of people here are an embarrassment to the American educational system. For such an immigrant society you guys have very little understanding of the rest of the world.

Most of the world holds the views of the members who posted and shared the opinion that Japan raped most of Asia in WWII in ways that are comparable if not worse than what the Nazis did to the Jews.
 

Narmer

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Most of the world holds the views of the members who posted and shared the opinion that Japan raped most of Asia in WWII in ways that are comparable if not worse than what the Nazis did to the Jews.

Fair enough, but that's not the only story and it's a bias account of all that happened. It's as if European imperialism wasn't rape either but enlightenment. Only a fool would end it there. Nevermind, I guess simple-minded people would support laws like this too:

http://www.economist.com/node/16541661?story_id=16541661&CFID=141975332&CFTOKEN=83448319

Rail firms' wartime records

What did you do in the war?
Bidders for Californian high-speed rail may have their past raked over

Jul 8th 2010 | PARIS
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Not all passengers travelled willingly
LAWMAKERS in California voted unanimously on June 29th to approve a proposed law which would force any company bidding for contracts to build the state’s new $43 billion high-speed rail system to disclose whether they transported Jews, American soldiers or others to concentration camps during the Holocaust. Its author, Bob Blumenfield, a Democrat, specifically highlighted the wartime record of SNCF, which nowadays operates France’s TGV high-speed trains. The French firm expects that the bill will clear all further legislative hurdles, including the sign-off by the normally veto-prone governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Providing the details required by the law will be fairly easy for SNCF. Facing questions about its record, it commissioned a study in 1992 on how it deported Jews en route to Nazi death camps. The report described how it carried out the Vichy government’s orders with no protest or resistance except for isolated acts by individual railwaymen, and took payment for the shipments. The firm will also have to state that despite a series of lawsuits it avoided paying compensation for its acts: it successfully argued that it was under the orders of the French government and German occupiers.
“SNCF fully supports the disclosure of the details of its wartime operations,” says Peter Kelly, the company’s lawyer in Los Angeles. Its competitors for a share of California’s high-speed billions are likely to include rail firms from Germany and its wartime friends, Spain, Italy and Japan, which will also have to disclose their past conduct. According to people close to the state’s rail project, Japanese railway executives are especially worried that the law will damage their prospects. Although firms’ records cannot be used to bar them from bidding for contracts or winning them, they fear that the disclosures could create a stigma and prompt public lobbying against them.
High-speed rail advocates suspect that support for the law may be driven by a protectionist desire to keep foreign firms out of one of America’s most important infrastructure projects. US Railcar, a start-up passenger-railcar manufacturer, has warned Congress that America’s security could be compromised if foreign companies win a big share of the high-speed rail contracts.
But if America wants true high-speed rail, says Andy Kunz, president of the US High Speed Rail Association, it has no choice but to bring in foreign firms. Whereas European and Asian firms have long experience of building dedicated high-speed systems with trains hurtling along at 200mph (320kph) or more, what most American firms plan to offer is medium-speed trains running on existing freight tracks.
 

alphatarget1

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Fair enough, but that's not the only story and it's a bias account of all that happened. It's as if European imperialism wasn't rape either but enlightenment.

European imperialism was horrible. Most (if not all) of the colonies were exploited for European gains. There were atrocities committed against those who were colonized, no doubt, but NOTHING compares to what the Japanese people did to Asia in WWII. Sure, the British/French/(insert European colonial power here) killed and profited from their colonies, but they did not for the most part kill people, force families to have sex with each other and bayonet babies for fun like the Japanese did in WWII.

The Japanese culture is one of the most fucked up cultures in the world. Hentai porn, selling used underwears on the streets, mass suicides, games that pretend you are raping a girl in the subway, etc. All of them are unique to Japan.
 

Narmer

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European imperialism was horrible. Most (if not all) of the colonies were exploited for European gains. There were atrocities committed against those who were colonized, no doubt, but NOTHING compares to what the Japanese people did to Asia in WWII. Sure, the British/French/(insert European colonial power here) killed and profited from their colonies, but they did not for the most part kill people, force families to have sex with each other and bayonet babies for fun like the Japanese did in WWII.

The Japanese culture is one of the most fucked up cultures in the world. Hentai porn, selling used underwears on the streets, mass suicides, games that pretend you are raping a girl in the subway, etc. All of them are unique to Japan.

Europeans enslaved Africans and native Americans, some group for centuries. That means they were considered property and EVERYTHING they did to them was perfectly legal and mostly not documented. Centuries. Let me repeat that. CENTURIES. C E N T U R I E S. Considering that you may have grown up in the West, it is easy to understand how you can dismiss the terror and horror of this.

I hope you understand the gravity of how Europeans fucked up those cultures, many of which have not come to terms with it yet.

As for your hatred of Japanese culture, you are in the extreme minority. You're also showing your immaturity by attacking forms of entertainment different from yours (while giving a pass to the wanton violence you see today in video games and movies).
 

nyker96

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I just cannot believe how twisted Japanese version of the truth were. this is just incredible. I mean even Germany admitted their wrong doings of WW2. The only way to move on is to admit the truth then move on ... I think this thing will come back and hit them in the face.
 

CanOWorms

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European imperialism was horrible. Most (if not all) of the colonies were exploited for European gains. There were atrocities committed against those who were colonized, no doubt, but NOTHING compares to what the Japanese people did to Asia in WWII. Sure, the British/French/(insert European colonial power here) killed and profited from their colonies, but they did not for the most part kill people, force families to have sex with each other and bayonet babies for fun like the Japanese did in WWII.

It's WORSE than what the Japanese did in Asia in WW2 and it happened for CENTURIES rather than decades. The British starved hundreds of millions to death. The Belgians chopped off limbs for fun. The French installed a cannibalistic dictator who FEASTED UPON THE FLESH AND BLOOD OF SCHOOLCHILDREN! Dozens of groups were subjected to genocide. The British even performed experiments on humans similar to Japan's Unit 731.

The Japanese culture is one of the most fucked up cultures in the world. Hentai porn, selling used underwears on the streets, mass suicides, games that pretend you are raping a girl in the subway, etc. All of them are unique to Japan.
European culture, especially British culture, is one of the most fucked up cultures in the world, too. Monarchy, lack of teeth, horrible food, etc. All of them are unique to the UK.
 

alphatarget1

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I just cannot believe how twisted Japanese version of the truth were. this is just incredible. I mean even Germany admitted their wrong doings of WW2. The only way to move on is to admit the truth then move on ... I think this thing will come back and hit them in the face.

I was in Berlin and this "monument" is outside of a train station.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kukulu21/2680718882/

"Places of horror, that we are never allowed to forget".

Germans are genuinely sorry for what their people have done in the past, but not the Japanese.