Japanese Sword spilts a Bullet

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That feat should be relatively easy for ANY decently made sword. Espeically using pistol ammunition. Pistol bullets are lead, you can actually "cut" then with a good butterknife. I've made many a homemade hollowpoint by taking a pocket knife and cutting a deep X into the tips.
 

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Originally posted by: Shockwave
That feat should be relatively easy for ANY decently made sword. Espeically using pistol ammunition. Pistol bullets are lead, you can actually "cut" then with a good butterknife. I've made many a homemade hollowpoint by taking a pocket knife and cutting a deep X into the tips.

QFT
 

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Originally posted by: Justin218
Originally posted by: Shockwave
That feat should be relatively easy for ANY decently made sword. Espeically using pistol ammunition. Pistol bullets are lead, you can actually "cut" then with a good butterknife. I've made many a homemade hollowpoint by taking a pocket knife and cutting a deep X into the tips.

QFT

Quite Fvcking True?? :confused:
 

Deadtrees

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Originally posted by: Shockwave
That feat should be relatively easy for ANY decently made sword. Espeically using pistol ammunition. Pistol bullets are lead, you can actually "cut" then with a good butterknife. I've made many a homemade hollowpoint by taking a pocket knife and cutting a deep X into the tips.

Your statement is quite true, however 'any decently made' sword will change its shape due to the impact even though a bullet is made by a mellow lead.
 

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Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: Justin218
Originally posted by: Shockwave
That feat should be relatively easy for ANY decently made sword. Espeically using pistol ammunition. Pistol bullets are lead, you can actually "cut" then with a good butterknife. I've made many a homemade hollowpoint by taking a pocket knife and cutting a deep X into the tips.

QFT

Quite Fvcking True?? :confused:

Im guessing Quoted for truth.
 

Shockwave

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Originally posted by: SSP
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: Justin218
Originally posted by: Shockwave
That feat should be relatively easy for ANY decently made sword. Espeically using pistol ammunition. Pistol bullets are lead, you can actually "cut" then with a good butterknife. I've made many a homemade hollowpoint by taking a pocket knife and cutting a deep X into the tips.

QFT

Quite Fvcking True?? :confused:

Im guessing Quoted for truth.

Well, what the hell does THAT mean?? :confused:
 

Shockwave

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Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: Shockwave
That feat should be relatively easy for ANY decently made sword. Espeically using pistol ammunition. Pistol bullets are lead, you can actually "cut" then with a good butterknife. I've made many a homemade hollowpoint by taking a pocket knife and cutting a deep X into the tips.

Your statement is quite true, however 'any decently made' sword will change its shape due to the impact even though a bullet is made by a mellow lead.

I said "decently made" which implies a good steel. Good steel wont even flinch to a bullet. A prime example is a gun barrel. Its simple 5140 (or 4150) steel. Its not the bullets that burn out barrels, its the heat from the powder.
So, gun barrels (steel) hold up to thousands of rounds. Why shouldnt a good sword (steel) hold up to one.

Now, those cheap 100 dollar display models... Your milage may vary there, because I'm sure they use a softer steel or a more brittle steel. Essentially, they dont use the RIGHT steel.
 

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Originally posted by: Shockwave
That feat should be relatively easy for ANY decently made sword. Espeically using pistol ammunition. Pistol bullets are lead, you can actually "cut" then with a good butterknife. I've made many a homemade hollowpoint by taking a pocket knife and cutting a deep X into the tips.

true, IF it was a regular bullet. i speak japanese, in the opening parts, they explain the bullet is special made: titanium casing with a diamond core.
 

Deadtrees

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Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: Shockwave
That feat should be relatively easy for ANY decently made sword. Espeically using pistol ammunition. Pistol bullets are lead, you can actually "cut" then with a good butterknife. I've made many a homemade hollowpoint by taking a pocket knife and cutting a deep X into the tips.

Your statement is quite true, however 'any decently made' sword will change its shape due to the impact even though a bullet is made by a mellow lead.

I said "decently made" which implies a good steel. Good steel wont even flinch to a bullet. A prime example is a gun barrel. Its simple 5140 (or 4150) steel. Its not the bullets that burn out barrels, its the heat from the powder.
So, gun barrels (steel) hold up to thousands of rounds. Why shouldnt a good sword (steel) hold up to one.

Now, those cheap 100 dollar display models... Your milage may vary there, because I'm sure they use a softer steel or a more brittle steel. Essentially, they dont use the RIGHT steel.

I was talking about the 'sudden impact'. Do barrels get the sudden impact I'm talking about?
 

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Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: Shockwave
That feat should be relatively easy for ANY decently made sword. Espeically using pistol ammunition. Pistol bullets are lead, you can actually "cut" then with a good butterknife. I've made many a homemade hollowpoint by taking a pocket knife and cutting a deep X into the tips.

Your statement is quite true, however 'any decently made' sword will change its shape due to the impact even though a bullet is made by a mellow lead.

I said "decently made" which implies a good steel. Good steel wont even flinch to a bullet. A prime example is a gun barrel. Its simple 5140 (or 4150) steel. Its not the bullets that burn out barrels, its the heat from the powder.
So, gun barrels (steel) hold up to thousands of rounds. Why shouldnt a good sword (steel) hold up to one.

You're saying that if you were to shoot at a gun barrel dead on, it could 'hold up to thousands of rounds' just fine?
 

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Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: Shockwave
That feat should be relatively easy for ANY decently made sword. Espeically using pistol ammunition. Pistol bullets are lead, you can actually "cut" then with a good butterknife. I've made many a homemade hollowpoint by taking a pocket knife and cutting a deep X into the tips.

Your statement is quite true, however 'any decently made' sword will change its shape due to the impact even though a bullet is made by a mellow lead.

I said "decently made" which implies a good steel. Good steel wont even flinch to a bullet. A prime example is a gun barrel. Its simple 5140 (or 4150) steel. Its not the bullets that burn out barrels, its the heat from the powder.
So, gun barrels (steel) hold up to thousands of rounds. Why shouldnt a good sword (steel) hold up to one.

You're saying that if you were to shoot at a gun barrel dead on, it could 'hold up to thousands of rounds' just fine?

Ummm, ever hear of rifling? You DO know what rifling does right? Rifling actually does EXACTLY what that sword does. It cuts into the bullet to give it spin. So yes, gun barrels are shot into every day thousands of times with no adverse affect.
Look, its a cool video, and shows the quality of good steel, but its certainly nothing to get all googly eyed about.
 

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Originally posted by: BaboonGuy
Originally posted by: Shockwave
That feat should be relatively easy for ANY decently made sword. Espeically using pistol ammunition. Pistol bullets are lead, you can actually "cut" then with a good butterknife. I've made many a homemade hollowpoint by taking a pocket knife and cutting a deep X into the tips.

true, IF it was a regular bullet. i speak japanese, in the opening parts, they explain the bullet is special made: titanium casing with a diamond core.

??!!?!? where do you get thoes bullets...
 

Deadtrees

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Originally posted by: Shockwave

I said "decently made" which implies a good steel. Good steel wont even flinch to a bullet. A prime example is a gun barrel. Its simple 5140 (or 4150) steel. Its not the bullets that burn out barrels, its the heat from the powder.
So, gun barrels (steel) hold up to thousands of rounds. Why shouldnt a good sword (steel) hold up to one.

Now, those cheap 100 dollar display models... Your milage may vary there, because I'm sure they use a softer steel or a more brittle steel. Essentially, they dont use the RIGHT steel.

Also, it's not just about the gun powder. You can shoot a machine gun hundreds and thousands times more (without changing the barrel) if you used a blank bullet. It's because the bullet generates much heat passing through the barrel. Well, that was my experience from shooting M60 with blank bullets and real bullets(As I was a Former SAW, granade launcher(Don't know the correct term in English), Special Forces squad leader)
Anyway, the issue here is the 'impact' not the 'heat'. I don't know why you're talking about the heat issue.
(Do you think the poorly made sword would melt?)
 

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Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: Shockwave
That feat should be relatively easy for ANY decently made sword. Espeically using pistol ammunition. Pistol bullets are lead, you can actually "cut" then with a good butterknife. I've made many a homemade hollowpoint by taking a pocket knife and cutting a deep X into the tips.

Your statement is quite true, however 'any decently made' sword will change its shape due to the impact even though a bullet is made by a mellow lead.

I said "decently made" which implies a good steel. Good steel wont even flinch to a bullet. A prime example is a gun barrel. Its simple 5140 (or 4150) steel. Its not the bullets that burn out barrels, its the heat from the powder.
So, gun barrels (steel) hold up to thousands of rounds. Why shouldnt a good sword (steel) hold up to one.

You're saying that if you were to shoot at a gun barrel dead on, it could 'hold up to thousands of rounds' just fine?

Ummm, ever hear of rifling? You DO know what rifling does right? Rifling actually does EXACTLY what that sword does. It cuts into the bullet to give it spin. So yes, gun barrels are shot into every day thousands of times with no adverse affect.
Look, its a cool video, and shows the quality of good steel, but its certainly nothing to get all googly eyed about.

Well, i don't claim to know a lot about physics... but i'm pretty sure there's a difference in force when you're shooting something head on vs glancing something so it can spin.
 

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Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: Shockwave

I said "decently made" which implies a good steel. Good steel wont even flinch to a bullet. A prime example is a gun barrel. Its simple 5140 (or 4150) steel. Its not the bullets that burn out barrels, its the heat from the powder.
So, gun barrels (steel) hold up to thousands of rounds. Why shouldnt a good sword (steel) hold up to one.

Now, those cheap 100 dollar display models... Your milage may vary there, because I'm sure they use a softer steel or a more brittle steel. Essentially, they dont use the RIGHT steel.

Also, it's not just about the gun powder. You can shoot a machine gun hundreds and thousands times more (without changing the barrel) if you used a blank bullet. It's because the bullet generates much heat passing through the barrel. Well, that was my experience from shooting M60 with blank bullets and real bullets(As I was a Former SAW, granade launcher(Don't know the correct term in English), Special Forces squad leader)
Anyway, the issue here is the 'impact' not the 'heat'. I don't know why you're talking about the heat issue.
(Do you think the poorly made sword would melt?)

Ever burn the throat out of a .243? Its due to the case neck being so short that some of the buring powder gets intot he barrel and slowly eats it away.
I'm only talking about heat in a very few select calibers in terms of not doing belt dumps (running thousands of rounds through them and melting barrels)

Dont misconstrue what I'm saying. I'm not trying to detract from the quality of the sword. I'm simply saying, it isnt JUST because its a Hatori that it can split a lead bullet.
 

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Originally posted by: Hardcore

Well, i don't claim to know a lot about physics... but i'm pretty sure there's a difference in force when you're shooting something head on vs glancing something so it can spin.

True, but even then this isnt "head on" as it were. A very good deal of the energy is still present even after contact with the sword, visible by the holes in the paper. The sword doesnt STOP the energy, it just redirects it as it were. Now, if they turned the sword sideways and then shot it, thats a different story, as the blade would then have to stop ALL the energy of the bullet, not just cut the bullet and redirect the energy.
 

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Originally posted by: Shockwave

Ummm, ever hear of rifling? You DO know what rifling does right? Rifling actually does EXACTLY what that sword does. It cuts into the bullet to give it spin. So yes, gun barrels are shot into every day thousands of times with no adverse affect.
Look, its a cool video, and shows the quality of good steel, but its certainly nothing to get all googly eyed about.

Rifling is there for accuracy and distance, not even for the impact. A sword works totally different way. I don't even know why you're talking about the 'melting' issue and 'spin'. Hello? The subject here is the 'impact'.
 

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Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: Shockwave
That feat should be relatively easy for ANY decently made sword. Espeically using pistol ammunition. Pistol bullets are lead, you can actually "cut" then with a good butterknife. I've made many a homemade hollowpoint by taking a pocket knife and cutting a deep X into the tips.

Your statement is quite true, however 'any decently made' sword will change its shape due to the impact even though a bullet is made by a mellow lead.

I said "decently made" which implies a good steel. Good steel wont even flinch to a bullet. A prime example is a gun barrel. Its simple 5140 (or 4150) steel. Its not the bullets that burn out barrels, its the heat from the powder.
So, gun barrels (steel) hold up to thousands of rounds. Why shouldnt a good sword (steel) hold up to one.

Now, those cheap 100 dollar display models... Your milage may vary there, because I'm sure they use a softer steel or a more brittle steel. Essentially, they dont use the RIGHT steel.

I was talking about the 'sudden impact'. Do barrels get the sudden impact I'm talking about?

I would imagine the total area of the impact would have something to do with it. If you turned the blade around and shot into the side of if you would probably see a more drastic effect. There is no place for the bullet to expend its energy when it hits the edge of the blade so the harder steel cut through the weaker lead. :)
 

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Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: Shockwave

Ummm, ever hear of rifling? You DO know what rifling does right? Rifling actually does EXACTLY what that sword does. It cuts into the bullet to give it spin. So yes, gun barrels are shot into every day thousands of times with no adverse affect.
Look, its a cool video, and shows the quality of good steel, but its certainly nothing to get all googly eyed about.

Rifling is there for accuracy and distance, not even for the impact. A sword works totally different way. I don't even know why you're talking about the 'melting' issue and 'spin'. Hello? The subject here is the 'impact'.

The point is barrels last practically FOREVER. The point is, rfiling does what that sword does. It cuts into the bullet. You think rifling is there for looks? How do you think it makes the bullet spin? BY ENGAGING THE BULLET! BY CUTTING INTO IT!! My point about heat is THATS what usually causes barrels to fail, too much HEAT produced by the POWDER. HEAT wears out barrels, NOT the bullet tearing down the rifling. Same with the sword. The sword CUTS the bullet, much like rifling!!
The point of heat is only to show what usually wears out a barrel is heat, and since theres no real amounts of heat in the sword vs bullet, I'm not really suprised.
And "impact" isnt even much of an issue. Did the sword stop the bullet? No. Proof is in the paper with holes still in it. The sword isnt stopping the bullet, that bullet still has ALOT of energy left. The sword simply cut the lead bullet into 2 peices and they continued on there way.

Again, I'm not trying to lessen the sword itself, just saying theres far better tests in MY mind to proof the worth of the sword besides splitting lead.
 

Deadtrees

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Originally posted by: Shockwave
Originally posted by: Hardcore

Well, i don't claim to know a lot about physics... but i'm pretty sure there's a difference in force when you're shooting something head on vs glancing something so it can spin.

True, but even then this isnt "head on" as it were. A very good deal of the energy is still present even after contact with the sword, visible by the holes in the paper. The sword doesnt STOP the energy, it just redirects it as it were. Now, if they turned the sword sideways and then shot it, thats a different story, as the blade would then have to stop ALL the energy of the bullet, not just cut the bullet and redirect the energy.

Ok, now it seems like we're back on the topic. I do agree with you on the 'siding the sword' issue.
I'm thinking 'any decent' sword with change the shape due to the impact. I'm not here proving I'm right and you're wrong. I'm here because I don't really know and want to know.