JAPAN goes Fibertastic, to spend $47 billion to WIRE HALF of Entire Population for 20-100Mbps

[ReiAyanami]

Imagine what you can buy when your government's not wallowing in debt

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/56393

Meanwhile SBC/Verizon's plan is for 5-10MBps at $50/mo to take 2-5 yrs

i wonder if the RIAA/MPAA will be able to convince the republican congressmen they own to pass a usage tax on fiber broadband to compensate for imaginary losses due to lack of innovation

 

[shiner]

Japan is a whole lot smaller than the U.S.

Makes things a LOT easier.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Japan is a whole lot smaller than the U.S.

Makes things a LOT easier.

If you read that thread you will see that this argument has already been shot down.

 

[assemblage]

And think many ignorant Evangelical homophobes who voted for Bush are still hoping for running water and a paved road.

I thought the RIAA/MPAA were Democrats since all artists are.

 

[Spencer278]

Other then privicy what possible use do people have for 100Mbps residential connections?

 

[maddogchen]

wow I can finally finish reading the entire internet at that speed.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: Spencer278
Other then privicy what possible use do people have for 100Mbps residential connections?

hmm....knowing some of the crowded residential places in Japan, it would be great for large densely packed apartment complexes. 100Mbps divided by 200 apartments?

 

[ReiAyanami]

Originally posted by: Spencer278
Other then privicy what possible use do people have for 100Mbps residential connections?

that's like somebody asking a decade ago, Why would anybody need more than a 28.8k modem?

Video On Demand, VoIP, "cable TV" over IP. super-SETI,

...Everquest 5, Sony Playstation 9, your own personal Matrix

futuring-proofing to ensure your country retains a lead in technology. even India is trying out 100MBps deployments

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami

Originally posted by: Spencer278
Other then privicy what possible use do people have for 100Mbps residential connections?

that's like somebody asking a decade ago, Why would anybody need more than a 28.8k modem?

Video On Demand, VoIP, "cable TV" over IP. super-SETI,

...Everquest 5, Sony Playstation 9, your own personal Matrix

futuring-proofing to ensure your country retains a lead in technology. even India is trying out 100MBps deployments

And when there is a use for high speed connections I'm sure people will buy them but there is no need for the goverment to subsides high speed porn.

 

[BunLengthHotDog]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
Imagine what you can buy when your government's not wallowing in debt

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/56393

Meanwhile SBC/Verizon's plan is for 5-10MBps at $50/mo to take 2-5 yrs

i wonder if the RIAA/MPAA will be able to convince the republican congressmen they own to pass a usage tax on fiber broadband to compensate for imaginary losses due to lack of innovation

Do you work in the telecom field, specifically in the Engineering depts for either of the companies you listed? I can tell you that the US telecom companies ARE working on a similar all fibre infrastructure that will be tested in Q1 and Q2 of next year. Its a private industry in the US that is developing it, has nothing to do with a govt thats "wallowing in debt". The company I work for is already testing "DSL 2" amongst employees that offers up to 20mb down, also designing DSL plus that will go up to 50. The initiative involves an entire telco infrastructure upgrade to IP DSLAMs, fibre etc. We aren't that far behind.

 

[imported_Aelius]

On a sidenote the average speed of DSL in Canada is aprox 3mb/sec. That's up from 150k just 4 years ago and an increase from a mere 300k a year ago at no cost increase.

Not bad me thinks.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Spencer278
And when there is a use for high speed connections I'm sure people will buy them but there is no need for the goverment to subsides high speed porn.

The need already exists. And it isn't porn. Porn can be downloaded perfectly fine at current bandwidth speeds. I currently spend $60 a month on my network connection and I'd be willing to spend more given a reasonable option.

The need is latency and upload speeds. Right now most residential area network connections can be satured very easily. Throw up a webpage, stream some media, host a video game and you are done.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Japan is a whole lot smaller than the U.S.

Makes things a LOT easier.

If you read that thread you will see that this argument has already been shot down.

Explain. I work with fiber, please tell me how it is cheaper to run it farther...

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
Imagine what you can buy when your government's not wallowing in debt

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/56393

Meanwhile SBC/Verizon's plan is for 5-10MBps at $50/mo to take 2-5 yrs

i wonder if the RIAA/MPAA will be able to convince the republican congressmen they own to pass a usage tax on fiber broadband to compensate for imaginary losses due to lack of innovation

Do you work in the telecom field, specifically in the Engineering depts for either of the companies you listed? I can tell you that the US telecom companies ARE working on a similar all fibre infrastructure that will be tested in Q1 and Q2 of next year. Its a private industry in the US that is developing it, has nothing to do with a govt thats "wallowing in debt". The company I work for is already testing "DSL 2" amongst employees that offers up to 20mb down, also designing DSL plus that will go up to 50. The initiative involves an entire telco infrastructure upgrade to IP DSLAMs, fibre etc. We aren't that far behind.

pwned!

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Japan is a whole lot smaller than the U.S.

Makes things a LOT easier.

If you read that thread you will see that this argument has already been shot down.

Explain. I work with fiber, please tell me how it is cheaper to run it farther...

If you actually bothered to read the thread link you would know that Japanese cities do not have the kind of underground works to make such installations a breeze.

Granted that plains states don't either but large cities do.

Installation costs a heck of a lot more than fiber if it's very time consuming.

You should know this if you work with fiber.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Spencer278
And when there is a use for high speed connections I'm sure people will buy them but there is no need for the goverment to subsides high speed porn.

The need already exists. And it isn't porn. Porn can be downloaded perfectly fine at current bandwidth speeds. I currently spend $60 a month on my network connection and I'd be willing to spend more given a reasonable option.

The need is latency and upload speeds. Right now most residential area network connections can be satured very easily. Throw up a webpage, stream some media, host a video game and you are done.

and how many people want to host there own webserver, stream media and host a game at the same time. And why should the goverment subsides your webserver, game server and streaming media?

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Spencer278
and how many people want to host there own webserver, stream media and host a game at the same time. And why should the goverment subsides your webserver, game server and streaming media?

I was simply claiming the need is there and is growing every day and isn't based on porn as you stated. Although, there are bigger priorities, especially right now.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog
Do you work in the telecom field, specifically in the Engineering depts for either of the companies you listed? I can tell you that the US telecom companies ARE working on a similar all fibre infrastructure that will be tested in Q1 and Q2 of next year. Its a private industry in the US that is developing it, has nothing to do with a govt thats "wallowing in debt". The company I work for is already testing "DSL 2" amongst employees that offers up to 20mb down, also designing DSL plus that will go up to 50. The initiative involves an entire telco infrastructure upgrade to IP DSLAMs, fibre etc. We aren't that far behind.

How many up? Any latency issues?

 

[ReiAyanami]

i still think any form of DSL will be severly limited by distance

at 3000ft from a CO, the max i can get is 1.3Mbps, you'd have to live in the CO to get 6Mbps...

and if DSL technology would seem like it can advance much further, why have the RBOCs already promised the FCC to deploy fiber all thru-out US within the next 2 years?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Japan is a whole lot smaller than the U.S.

Makes things a LOT easier.

If you read that thread you will see that this argument has already been shot down.

Explain. I work with fiber, please tell me how it is cheaper to run it farther...

If you actually bothered to read the thread link you would know that Japanese cities do not have the kind of underground works to make such installations a breeze.

Granted that plains states don't either but large cities do.

Installation costs a heck of a lot more than fiber if it's very time consuming.

You should know this if you work with fiber.

Well I read the thread, Aelius. All I saw was people saying that size didn't explain why major US cities didn't have it. Actually, there are many beta projects going on in large US cities right now with fiber. I know that Verizon has one, and BS might be working on one as well. Finally, compare the geography. We cannot wire half of our country's population with fiber for 47 billion. As technology advances and new tech comes about(as BunLength is talking about) we will be able to offer much more of the country, if not over 50% similar speeds. It doesn't happen over night.

 

[BunLengthHotDog]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog
Do you work in the telecom field, specifically in the Engineering depts for either of the companies you listed? I can tell you that the US telecom companies ARE working on a similar all fibre infrastructure that will be tested in Q1 and Q2 of next year. Its a private industry in the US that is developing it, has nothing to do with a govt thats "wallowing in debt". The company I work for is already testing "DSL 2" amongst employees that offers up to 20mb down, also designing DSL plus that will go up to 50. The initiative involves an entire telco infrastructure upgrade to IP DSLAMs, fibre etc. We aren't that far behind.

How many up? Any latency issues?

In the test market thats active, the current upload is 768, and their download is at 12.5 right now. HOWEVER, there is a caveat to these new high speed services that are going to be offered (I venture to say that its the same in Japan as well). If you are handed a 20mb pipe to work on, there are going to be limits as to what is using said bandwidth...your NOT going to get 20mb down JUST for internet, these new high speed services will be mostly based on a "bandwidth on demand" type of service. Typical models now have up to 5mb for strictly internet traffic, 10-12 for Streaming Video and Audio, TV etc, and the remaining for VOIP.

EDIT: No Latency issues as of yet, but this market is VERY small right now...I am talking less than 20 people hooked up.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Japan is a whole lot smaller than the U.S.

Makes things a LOT easier.

If you read that thread you will see that this argument has already been shot down.

Explain. I work with fiber, please tell me how it is cheaper to run it farther...

If you actually bothered to read the thread link you would know that Japanese cities do not have the kind of underground works to make such installations a breeze.

Granted that plains states don't either but large cities do.

Installation costs a heck of a lot more than fiber if it's very time consuming.

You should know this if you work with fiber.

Well I read the thread, Aelius. All I saw was people saying that size didn't explain why major US cities didn't have it. Actually, there are many beta projects going on in large US cities right now with fiber. I know that Verizon has one, and BS might be working on one as well. Finally, compare the geography. We cannot wire half of our country's population with fiber for 47 billion. As technology advances and new tech comes about(as BunLength is talking about) we will be able to offer much more of the country, if not over 50% similar speeds. It doesn't happen over night.

I agree with you, however you can't compare Japan spending 47 billion on 30 million people to the US spending the same. Gota add that zero at the end. I think it would be possible.

Having said that I think it would depend on the contracts involved.

That's where I think it ends up being either possible or not. I doubt Japan gives similar contracts as the US does.

I may be wrong tho.

 

[BunLengthHotDog]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Japan is a whole lot smaller than the U.S.

Makes things a LOT easier.

If you read that thread you will see that this argument has already been shot down.

Explain. I work with fiber, please tell me how it is cheaper to run it farther...

If you actually bothered to read the thread link you would know that Japanese cities do not have the kind of underground works to make such installations a breeze.

Granted that plains states don't either but large cities do.

Installation costs a heck of a lot more than fiber if it's very time consuming.

You should know this if you work with fiber.

Well I read the thread, Aelius. All I saw was people saying that size didn't explain why major US cities didn't have it. Actually, there are many beta projects going on in large US cities right now with fiber. I know that Verizon has one, and BS might be working on one as well. Finally, compare the geography. We cannot wire half of our country's population with fiber for 47 billion. As technology advances and new tech comes about(as BunLength is talking about) we will be able to offer much more of the country, if not over 50% similar speeds. It doesn't happen over night.

I agree with you, however you can't compare Japan spending 47 billion on 30 million people to the US spending the same. Gota add that zero at the end. I think it would be possible.

Having said that I think it would depend on the contracts involved.

That's where I think it ends up being either possible or not. I doubt Japan gives similar contracts as the US does.

I may be wrong tho.

What contracts are you referring to??

 

[ReiAyanami]

not 30 million ppl, 30 million households

30 million households contain between 2-4 ppl each or 60-120 million ppls. japan has 125 million ppl

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
not 30 million ppl, 30 million households

30 million households contain between 2-4 ppl each or 60-120 million ppls. japan has 125 million ppl

Still can't compare spending 47 billion to the US spending the same.