James Madison was the dumbest of all the founders.

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Zebo

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The OP takes the hatred and distrust of central government and politicians often expressed on this forum to an extreme.

Actually reading collections by Madison, Hamilton, Jefferson etc begin to feel like work to most of us, little too high brow, so we don't do it and are ignorant. There has never been a set of men of that intellect converge in history though so we should.
 

IronWing

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CNU. I just have one more week left, then exams, then I graduate.
If your writings here are an indication of your abilities (ignoring political content) then you need to 1) find someone to write your resume so you have a prayer of getting a job, and 2) register for a remedial english course pronto. I understand that internet postings are generally informal but your stuff is damn near unreadable. Contrary to the impression created by the text/cell/twitter world, getting ahead requires the ability to write clearly.
 

LunarRay

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Actually reading collections by Madison, Hamilton, Jefferson etc begin to feel like work to most of us, little too high brow, so we don't do it and are ignorant. There has never been a set of men of that intellect converge in history though so we should.

These folks, each of them, had in mind a basic concept they sought to bring forth. Each could 'bend' only so much in order to bring about a viable entity that would insure that their State's needs would be firmly established.
The beauty of their work is in how they managed to accomplish anything so firm yet loose, so specific yet vague and have its stability universally (among the 13) supported so to enable subsequent generations to find their needs met as they and their environment ebbed and flowed regardless of the climate.

The words of Jefferson's Virginia Bill of Rights are not verbatim found in the US Bill of Rights but I think that work is by far the reason the folks were able to agree to agree... It is a fundamentally sound bit of understanding of then and today.

I couldn't begin to evaluate the intellect of Madison, Hamilton, Adams or any of them based on some criteria in place during their time... What one can do, I think, is to look at the product of their endeavors and interpolate back to their brain power and ability to bring forth an enduring form of Government that enables even the most radical opponents to have a forum to disagree.
 

Zebo

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Indeed lunar. 200+ years and counting is incredible considering...Maybe Switzerland is older that's about it..
 

LunarRay

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Indeed lunar. 200+ years and counting is incredible considering...Maybe Switzerland is older that's about it..

There are older written Constitutions for sure. Some of them no longer in operation (The Mega Ritra of Hios - Greece) and some are but the difference is found in the 13 States v a unified nation like Sweden. The States (Colonies) thought themselves as havens for similar belief among their population. They each had needs that were not supported fully by their Colonists brothers or cousins... Hehehehehehehhe.... Except as found in an earlier document... If one reads the Declaration of Independence beyond the first few lines they'll find that the Colonies all agree and charged George with Conspiring to place the Colonies under a tyrannical form of existence... (Another Conspiracy Theory)

But for the minds of those days I wonder what would have become of us... Is it in our genetic makeup to survive? Would our culture be as diversified under the Crown or Parliament at Westminster? Would we be split like My Ireland over issues like religion?
What ever these folks brought to the table it was the right stuff at the right time.
 

sMiLeYz

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I hope Anarchist is just a random internet troll pretending to be a right winger, and not the next Timothy McVeigh. I can't fathom someone so completely off their nutter, but then again there are quite a few LaRouche and Palin supporters in this country.