Jack Bernstein's Autobiography, "The Life of an American Jew in Israel"

[the DRIZZLE]

Lolz..
The usual trick of branding everything that doesnt suit
the zionists as antisemitic.
Even a writer that is jew is branded as antisemitic,
or even as a "self hating jew"..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Koestler

You posted the source not me. The first sentence only explains the source of the theory. The rest of the paragraph explains that it is contradicted by genetic evidence and has no mainstream scholarly support.

Its not my fault that all they teach in Arab schools in propaganda and that you don't know any better.

 

[Abwx]

Its not my fault that all they teach in Arab schools in propaganda and that you don't know any better.

LOLZ....
I was in one of the best european university, so you should
brand Europe as anti semitic...

What is great here is that there s sephardic and ashkenazi jews,
and i can tell you for sure that they are from different ethnicities...

It s like comparing an average mexican with an average finnish.
Only fools would say they are from the same nation...

That s, essentialy, what you are supporting...

 

[the DRIZZLE]

LOLZ....
I was in one of the best european university, so you should
brand Europe as anti semitic...

What is great here is that there s sephardic and ashkenazi jews,
and i can tell you for sure that they are from different ethnicities...

It s like comparing an average mexican with an average finnish.
Only fools would say they are from the same nation...

That s, essentialy, what you are supporting...

What I am saying is backed by virtually all mainstream historians and geneticists. It's been conclusively proven by genetic testing that Ashkenazi Jews are of middle eastern descent. I'm not branding you as anti-semitic, I'm branding you as stupid.

 

[Lemon law]

You posted the source not me. The first sentence only explains the source of the theory. The rest of the paragraph explains that it is contradicted by genetic evidence and has no mainstream scholarly support.

Its not my fault that all they teach in Arab schools in propaganda and that you don't know any better.

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The defect in the Drizzle argument is that he is equally if not more as brainwashed into being a total Pro-Israeli fan clubber. Nothing in the Drizzle statement demonstrates Drizzle has serious thought about the evidence on both sides of the question.

Drizzle kinda reminds me of one of my earliest child hold delusions, as one of my Father collages, became my role imaginary model of the classic German Nazi, when I first learned of the Holocaust in very early grade school. Mr. X was blond, blue eyed, and authoritarian. When I later learned he was a Jew and a card carrying Holocaust survivor to boot, I was initially surprised. Later when I grew older I got to better know him when I lost my air head kid status. And he was maybe the finest human being I had ever personally met. Mr. X was born in Germany in 1909, and got his PHd in one of the hard sciences at age 24. Just in time for Hitler to take power in 1933. Up until then, Mr X had always thought Hitler brown shirts as a passing fad, but after 1933 things got far worse. And was smart enough to flee Germany before the borders slammed shut. He fled to Yugoslavia and damn near got deported back to the Nazi's when an entry visa to the USA came. The USA gain, in spades.

But the bottom line, the Mr.X comment was a deep disgust with the equally bad behavior of the new Israeli State Zionist Nazi's.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

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The defect in the Drizzle argument is that he is equally if not more as brainwashed into being a total Pro-Israeli fan clubber. Nothing in the Drizzle statement demonstrates Drizzle has serious thought about the evidence on both sides of the question.

Drizzle kinda reminds me of one of my earliest child hold delusions, as one of my Father collages, became my role imaginary model of the classic German Nazi, when I first learned of the Holocaust in very early grade school. Mr. X was blond, blue eyed, and authoritarian. When I later learned he was a Jew and a card carrying Holocaust survivor to boot, I was initially surprised. Later when I grew older I got to better know him when I lost my air head kid status. And he was maybe the finest human being I had ever personally met. Mr. X was born in Germany in 1909, and got his PHd in one of the hard sciences at age 24. Just in time for Hitler to take power in 1933. Up until then, Mr X had always thought Hitler brown shirts as a passing fad, but after 1933 things got far worse. And was smart enough to flee Germany before the borders slammed shut. He fled to Yugoslavia and damn near got deported back to the Nazi's when an entry visa to the USA came. The USA gain, in spades.

But the bottom line, the Mr.X comment was a deep disgust with the equally bad behavior of the new Israeli State Zionist Nazi's.

Great story. It doesn't change the fact that there are members here posting flat out lies that are not even issues of serious scholarly dispute. There is a long and well documented history of pseudo intellectual anti-semitic propaganda. Thankfully this has mostly gone away in the west, but it is alive and well in the Arab world as evidenced by the nonsense being posted here.

I will not apologize for confronting obvious lies and smears with the truth. If you said the earth is flat and I said it's round it doesn't make us equally brainwashed. It just makes one of us an idiot.

 

[Lemon law]

Great story. It doesn't change the fact that there are members here posting flat out lies that are not even issues of serious scholarly dispute. There is a long and well documented history of pseudo intellectual anti-semitic propaganda. Thankfully this has mostly gone away in the west, but it is alive and well in the Arab world as evidenced by the nonsense being posted here.

I will not apologize for confronting obvious lies and smears with the truth. If you said the earth is flat and I said it's round it doesn't make us equally brainwashed. It just makes one of us an idiot.

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Its all well and fine for you to claim I am the flat earther and you are the correct round earther, but there is some debate which is is right on the Israeli Palestinian question, makes Drizzle the more probable flat earther.

Of course the other thing to point out is Drizzle has done nothing, nothing at all, to discredit the other historical links posed by other posters on this thread.

Only an idiot like Drizzle thinks a many sided human problem is analogous to a binary question if the earth is flat, round, or oval.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

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Its all well and fine for you to claim I am the flat earther and you are the correct round earther, but there is some debate which is is right on the Israeli Palestinian question, makes Drizzle the more probable flat earther.

There are certainly aspects of the Israeli Palestinian issue that are morally ambiguous or matters of opinion, but this isn't one of them. The lineage of Ashkenazi Jews is matter of fact, not opinion, and has been settled with many genetic studies.

 

[Lemon law]

There are certainly aspects of the Israeli Palestinian issue that are morally ambiguous or matters of opinion, but this isn't one of them. The lineage of Ashkenazi Jews is matter of fact, not opinion, and has been settled with many genetic studies.

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You ignore my previous thread that there never will be anything called a Jewish gene.

I distanced my self from your stupid argument because its totally irrelevant. So again, blaming me is doubly stupid. But the nature v nurture is almost impossible to separate.

 

[Lemon law]

If you still not convinced of your own bullshit yet, Drizzle. let me cite another true story from my boyhood about another one of my father's colleagues. Both were a wonderful fine human beings who happened to be Jewish, But like many in love couples, they were between just themselves biologically incapable of having children. Does it matter if one both were sterile? So they did what may Jewish and gentile wanna be parents do, they adopted two children, without knowing the Jewish or non Jewish ancestry of the the children they would get. But bottom line, they raised their children as Jewish.

Later on, their adopted daughter married the son of another of my father's purely Jewish colleagues. Now since the daughter parentage cannot be proved, is the children of the new Jewish marriage to be full blooded Jews or be forever branded as 24 carrot phonies?

The point is and remains, 20 or more years ago, both American and Israeli Jews would accept both adopted children as full blooded Jews, but only in the past few years have Israeli Jew bigots raised such stupid discrimination arguments that imply that there only a few special purebred Jews are the only ones pure. With that class being the ultra orthodox Jew tiny minority as the only class that is the ideal.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

If you still not convinced of your own bullshit yet, Drizzle. let me cite another true story from my boyhood about another one of my father's colleagues. Both were a wonderful fine human beings who happened to be Jewish, But like many in love couples, they were between just themselves biologically incapable of having children. Does it matter if one both were sterile? So they did what may Jewish and gentile wanna be parents do, they adopted two children, without knowing the Jewish or non Jewish ancestry of the the children they would get. But bottom line, they raised their children as Jewish.

Later on, their adopted daughter married the son of another of my father's purely Jewish colleagues. Now since the daughter parentage cannot be proved, is the children of the new Jewish marriage to be full blooded Jews or be forever branded as 24 carrot phonies?

The point is and remains, 20 or more years ago, both American and Israeli Jews would accept both adopted children as full blooded Jews, but only in the past few years have Israeli Jew bigots raised such stupid discrimination arguments that imply that there only a few special purebred Jews are the only ones pure. With that class being the ultra orthodox Jew tiny minority as the only class that is the ideal.

There are two separate issues here. Whether one is Jewish in the racial sense and in the religious sense. The Khazar myth is used by Arabs to delegitimize Israel by claiming that modern Ashkenazi Jews are not the decedents of the Jews of the Bible. I was simply showing that this is not true and has been conclusively proven false by genetic testing.

Obviously most Ashkenazi will have some mixed blood from the thousands of years in Europe. However when you look at the population in aggregate a high percentage of their genes show their middle eastern origins.

Regarding your previous post about the Jewish gene, I did not see it the first time through this thread. There are in fact several genetic markers that are distinctly Jewish. By the way, geneticists can in fact tell which parent came from a specific ethnic group because some parts of our genes come exclusively from our mothers and some exclusively from our fathers.

edit: Just to be clear, as far as I am concerned anyone that identifies themselves as Jewish is Jewish. I am simply discussing the lineage of Ashkenasi Jews as an ethnic group in aggregate.

 

[Lemon law]

Ok OK Drizzel finally cuts to the chase, the only pure gene that can be traced in female mitochondrial DNA, that some what proves all human ancestry to a single mother some 74,000 years ago.

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts-jews.htm

But now we should ask, who was the first Jewish mother some 70,000 years later?

Can we find that same DNA gene from the first Jewish mother in all Jews today. If not, we must realize that Jews have cheated in allowing gentile mothers to be the mothers of subsequen of future Jewish generations all along the progression of world history.

Then let me ask the more important question, why should this absurd hair splitting question matter in any way today? I will wager that there is not a single Jew living today that did not have a single gentile mother somewhere in his ancestry.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

Ok OK Drizzel finally cuts to the chase, the only pure gene that can be traced in female mitochondrial DNA, that some what proves all human ancestry to a single mother some 74,000 years ago.

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts-jews.htm

But now we should ask, who was the first Jewish mother some 70,000 years later?

Can we find that same DNA gene from the first Jewish mother in all Jews today. If not, we must realize that Jews have cheated in allowing gentile mothers to be the mothers of subsequen of future Jewish generations all along the progression of world history.

Then let me ask the more important question, why should this absurd hair splitting question matter in any way today? I will wager that there is not a single Jew living today that did not have a single gentile mother somewhere in his ancestry.

I don't know how much more clear I can be. It only matters because one of the arguments used to delegitimize Israel is that Ashekenazi Jews are not decedents of the Jews of the Bible and therefor have no claim on the land. I don't know why you are harping on the issue of 100% purity that I have already said I agree with you on. It doesn't change the fact that collectively Ashkenazi Jews are the descents of the Jews of Bible.

I agree that it doesn't really matter today, and even if the Khazar origin claim was true it wouldn't be particularly relevant because it has nothing to do with how the Israeli Palestinian issue will ultimately be resolved.

 

[Lemon law]

Well at least our positions are coming together. as the argument cuts equally with Ashkenazi and all other flavors of Jews who all have non Jewish mothers in their family tree. Why confine your argument to only Ashkenazi Jews? And the totally irreverent bull shit Kharzar side argument that adds or detracts nothing from the real historical truth.

Sure there are genetic markers from people of primarily Jewish descent, but when the many of same exact genetic markers are found in Palestinians, there goes most of your arguments. But still there are natural differences, Israeli Jews as peoples of the second Diaspora, have acquired other genetics diversities that distance themselves from the original genetics of biblical era Jews.

Pardon me if I observe, Drizzle, your arguments barely amount to a tiny tempest in a tea pot. Who cares? But the wold will and should care when Israeli Government uses that same bullshit genetic argument to justify their current rotten behavior.

 

[ProfJohn]

Of course Gaza is still occupied by Israel. Israel maintained complete control of what Gaza can import or export, they maintain complete control of the Gaza seacoast and air, blockade the Gaza economy, restrict the Gaza citizens right to travel, and shall I go on and on. Only now with the Egyptian lack of Co-operation with Israel, do we see the complete strangle hold of Israel finally receding.

And if you still do not believe me wait until June when the largest yet Gaza aid flotilla sets sail. If Israel tries to stop the flotilla from docking in Gaza, well, you will have your is Gaza still occupation by Israel answer.

Gaza has a border with Egypt thus Israel does not have complete control. They only have control as long as Egypt works with them which Egypt has done for year, until recently.

So why weren't Hamas launching rockets in Egypt too?

BTW not sure why I am wasting my time with you idiots.

 

[wwswimming]

LOLZ....
I was in one of the best european university, so you should
brand Europe as anti semitic...

What is great here is that there s sephardic and ashkenazi jews,
and i can tell you for sure that they are from different ethnicities...

It s like comparing an average mexican with an average finnish.
Only fools would say they are from the same nation...

That s, essentialy, what you are supporting...

i don't talk about it much ... i usually say i went to a Junior University near Palo Alto.

but in a job interview ... i admit that i went to Stanford.

but i can't say that their mandatory 1-year Modern European History that they force all freshmen to take is any good. i learned more history after leaving college than during college.

maybe they teach better history in European universities.

 

[Abwx]

maybe they teach better history in European universities.

Fact is there s a hEavy pressure from zionists circles to re write
aknowledged facts while ereasing any zionist mistakes and lies..

Elie Wiesel did write in his book that he saw people being
buried alive and that days later the ground was shaking
and that geyser of blood did ariSe from it..

Yet, despite such ridiculous claims, his honnesty has never
been questionned...

http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-archive.blogspot.com/2011/01/elie-wiesels-geysers-of-blood.html

 

[Abwx]

I don't know how much more clear I can be. It only matters because one of the arguments used to delegitimize Israel is that Ashekenazi Jews are not decedents of the Jews of the Bible and therefor have no claim on the land. I don't know why you are harping on the issue of 100% purity that I have already said I agree with you on. It doesn't change the fact that collectively Ashkenazi Jews are the descents of the Jews of Bible.

I agree that it doesn't really matter today, and even if the Khazar origin claim was true it wouldn't be particularly relevant because it has nothing to do with how the Israeli Palestinian issue will ultimately be resolved.

Seems that you re gullible, but even they haVE some common
ancestry, they have no right to uproot a native people and seize
his land, that s what you fail to catch..

If the bible can be used as a property title , then there s other
books that can be used the same way..

After all, the European could claim their african ancestry
and go seize the land, if we follow your twisted logic...

 

[the DRIZZLE]

Seems that you re gullible, but even they haVE some common
ancestry, they have no right to uproot a native people and seize
his land, that s what you fail to catch..

If the bible can be used as a property title , then there s other
books that can be used the same way..

After all, the European could claim their african ancestry
and go seize the land, if we follow your twisted logic...

I never said that the fact that modern Jews are the descendants of the Jews of the Bible gives them a claim on Israel. wwswimming was implying the opposite argument, that they are not the descendants of the Jews of the Bible and therefore have no claim on the land. I simply showed that him statement was factually incorrect, and did not go any further than that.

Now you are backpedaling. First, you claim that I am wrong about the genetics. Then, after being presented the evidence, and having your own source state you are wrong you start attacking an argument that I haven't even made.

 

[Abwx]

Now you are backpedaling. First, you claim that I am wrong about the genetics. Then, after being presented the evidence, and having your own source state you are wrong you start attacking an argument that I haven't even made.

I do not agree with the so called genetic arguments
until i know WHO made the studies..

Expect all these "studies" to be made by..jewish "scientists"..

As i told you, i saw many jews while being at schools.

Ashkenazies have very white skin with majoritarly blue eyes,
while sephardics people are brown with invariably black eyes.

Even the face s shapes are largely different.

There s absolutely no common points other than the ones
we all have as humans...

As for the bible as a property title, well, it s usually
a ridiculous claim made by israel apologists...

 

[Doboji]

I do not agree with the so called genetic arguments
until i know WHO made the studies..

Expect all these "studies" to be made by..jewish "scientists"..

As i told you, i saw many jews while being at schools.

Ashkenazies have very white skin with majoritarly blue eyes,
while sephardics people are brown with invariably black eyes.

Even the face s shapes are largely different.

There s absolutely no common points other than the ones
we all have as humans...

As for the bible as a property title, well, it s usually
a ridiculous claim made by israel apologists...

Just look up "Kohanim"

 

[the DRIZZLE]

I do not agree with the so called genetic arguments
until i know WHO made the studies..

Expect all these "studies" to be made by..jewish "scientists"..

As i told you, i saw many jews while being at schools.

Ashkenazies have very white skin with majoritarly blue eyes,
while sephardics people are brown with invariably black eyes.

Even the face s shapes are largely different.

There s absolutely no common points other than the ones
we all have as humans...

As for the bible as a property title, well, it s usually
a ridiculous claim made by israel apologists...

Ahh the "Jewish scientists" argument. I haven't heard that one since Germany in the 30's. Considering that 27% of all Nobel prizes in medicine have been awarded to Jews you are going to be dismissing quite a bit of modern medicine.

 

[JTsyo]

What does being Jewish have to do with race? Since when are Jews a race?

What I found amusing was a sign of how times has changed. Picking Judaism to not anger the Muslims.

If they had chosen Christianity, they would have angered the strong Islamic world. So, they played it safe — they chose Judaism.

 

[Infohawk]

so you should
brand Europe as anti semitic...

Thanks to Muslim immigrants we may very well be able to do that. You have to love how Muslims want to be tolerated by everyone else but then immigrate to countries with Jewish minorities and attack them.

 

[woolfe9999]

There is no such person "Jack Bernstein." His writings were penned by white supremacist Len Martin. It's a hoax, and one so obvious that only a handful of white supremacist websites even bother with it. The person who wrote it barely has Reader's Digest knowledge of Israel, and has definitely never been there.

Swimming has also been known to credit holocaust deniers here, so honestly I don't know why anyone even bothers with his threads.

- wolf

 

[JS80]

There is no such person "Jack Bernstein." His writings were penned by white supremacist Len Martin. It's a hoax, and one so obvious that only a handful of white supremacist websites even bother with it. The person who wrote it barely has Reader's Digest knowledge of Israel, and has definitely never been there.

Swimming has also been known to credit holocaust deniers here, so honestly I don't know why anyone even bothers with his threads.

- wolf

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