Ivy Bridge E v.s. Haswell-DT

[ShadowVVL]

I think I will sit this one out and wait and see what Steam roller and broad well bring.

 

[Ajay]

I voted Haswell DT since I think I'm going to prioritize getting a Titan over more CPU cores. Plus I get to play with AVX2. I just hope we can overclock the hell out of Haswell. It would be very sad if it's another IVB situation (though EK is now selling a WB kit for de-lidded Ivy's!). Though I probably won't be upgrading till this winter, so I may hold out for Broadwell (or Haswell-E if it will arrive ahead of expectations).

 

[tweakboy]

Hexa core is still worthless in most applications. Since Haswell will have a 10-15% single threaded performance advantage over IVB-E with better overclocking, i'll likely go haswell.

No Haswell will beat a Ivy E Extreme Chip. 6 cores

Haswell in 2013 4 cores.

In 2014 Haswell will have 6 core,, then maybe 5 percent clock for clock difference...Haswell is mostly for the major GPU on the CPU , Enthusiast Haswell comes in 2014 with 6 cores. gl

 

[TY-1]

I'm looking to build new this summer so I'm currently thinking of going with Haswell, but that may change once we start seeing actual hands-on figures and overclocks.

 

[Ajay]

Are you upgrading your PC this coming refresh cycle? If so, which of these two are you going to go with? IVB-E or Haswell-DT?

Hey, can you add "Waiting for Broadwell". Otherwise IDC won't have a chance to vote

 

[Unoid]

Hexa core is still worthless in most applications. Since Haswell will have a 10-15% single threaded performance advantage over IVB-E with better overclocking, i'll likely go haswell.

DO you really think haswell will be worth it?
I have the EXACT system specs as you (samsung 830 instead)and I doubt 15% IPC haswell has over our sandys will be enough.

Essentially should we upgrade from a 4.8ghz sandy to a 5.5ghz one? New extensons not withstanding. And assuming haswell can clock to 4.8

What I want is a 6 core Haswell with NO integrated video for top of line desktop chip. NO retailer would use a top DT chip for just integrated video anyways.

 

[tweakboy]

Hexa core is still worthless in most applications. Since Haswell will have a 10-15% single threaded performance advantage over IVB-E with better overclocking, i'll likely go haswell.

Where you getting this 10 to 15 percent.

Haswell 6 or 8 core will beat a Ivy E 6core, but that is 2014. The haswell chips released now are not for the enthusiast and Ivy E will be faster then the first couple batches of 4 core Haswells. vs 6 core 12 threads...

There is no way a 4 core Haswell in 2013 will beat a Ivy Bridge E 6 core. That is 4 threads more.. and a nice OC to 4.8Ghz and forget Howard I mean haswell.... its mostly GPU performance but we dont need it since we have dedicated cards.

 

[IntelEnthusiast]

I just finished building myself a new home system with an Intel® Core™ i7-3770K; so unless something comes up I won't build a new system with our next generation of processors.

 

[Khato]

Argh .. forgot that, no TSX for the K models .. sucks.

Don't despair. The only place that claimed TSX would not be present on the K models was the THG preview. And it just so happens that the four models they claimed to not have TSX are the four models that previous reports stated would not have TXT. Now considering the fact that the THG preview also claimed that the i7-4770T, i7-4770S, and i7-4765T would not have hyperthreading enabled unlike every member of the core i7 line released thus far... Why exactly does everyone believe that they aren't also capable of making the simple mistake of transcribing TXT to TSX?

 

[bgt]

SteamRoller 12 or 16 cores ! on 1100FX chipset for ME !!!!!

Should be nice:awe:

 

[cytg111]

Don't despair. The only place that claimed TSX would not be present on the K models was the THG preview. And it just so happens that the four models they claimed to not have TSX are the four models that previous reports stated would not have TXT. Now considering the fact that the THG preview also claimed that the i7-4770T, i7-4770S, and i7-4765T would not have hyperthreading enabled unlike every member of the core i7 line released thus far... Why exactly does everyone believe that they aren't also capable of making the simple mistake of transcribing TXT to TSX?

- Hope you are right? (good spot!)

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I just finished building myself a new home system with an Intel® Core™ i7-3770K; so unless something comes up I won't build a new system with our next generation of processors.

And you call yourself an enthusiast

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Haswell-DT. come June it's "Intel, shut up and take my money!" time.

I got me an inside man on the Haswell dealio. strangely though, the people working on the chip itself don't get it for free on release, but rather a year later or something like that.

anyway he says they are going to be a gem for overclockers, which i hope translates to "no more TIM under the hood".

Oh!

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

I just finished building myself a new home system with an Intel® Core™ i7-3770K; so unless something comes up I won't build a new system with our next generation of processors.

I want to work in Intel EDA. It's the only place where developing a better CPU is a valid strategy for reducing place-n-route cycle time

 

[Smoblikat]

I just finished building myself a new home system with an Intel® Core™ i7-3770K; so unless something comes up I won't build a new system with our next generation of processors.

Is intel really THAT greedy that they will give us either TSX or unlocked multiplier, but not both? For christ sake, they already charge us 100$ to enable hyperthreading.............

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Don't despair. The only place that claimed TSX would not be present on the K models was the THG preview. And it just so happens that the four models they claimed to not have TSX are the four models that previous reports stated would not have TXT. Now considering the fact that the THG preview also claimed that the i7-4770T, i7-4770S, and i7-4765T would not have hyperthreading enabled unlike every member of the core i7 line released thus far... Why exactly does everyone believe that they aren't also capable of making the simple mistake of transcribing TXT to TSX?

I asked Chris -- it's not a typo. That's the information he has, for better or worse.

 

[Khato]

I asked Chris -- it's not a typo. That's the information he has, for better or worse.

But that just means that it's not an error on the part of THG no? The common skit of a message being passed along a chain and distorted slightly at each step until it comes out as something completely different at the end comes to mind.

Just because they gained access to a Haswell sample doesn't mean that they have access to Intel's Haswell product matrix.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

It comes from a source that he didn't identify (and I didn't ask). I was just confirming that it wasn't a transcription error -- they meant TSX, not TXT.

As to why Intel would do that, I have no idea -- frankly, I think it's completely baffling that they would cripple some of their higher-end chips by leaving out a feature that I can't imagine really has any impact on overclocking or anything else that makes the K chips special. The only reasons I can come up with are oversight or regretable marketing gimmickery.

 

[Khato]

It comes from a source that he didn't identify (and I didn't ask). I was just confirming that it wasn't a transcription error -- they meant TSX, not TXT.

And thanks for that confirmation. That just puts further question as to the correctness of the source since, as pointed out, one of the defining features of the core i7 lines is hyperthreading and it claims that such will no longer be the case. Sadly that's the only discrepancy of the chart with publicly available information.

As to why Intel would do that, I have no idea -- frankly, I think it's completely baffling that they would cripple some of their higher-end chips by leaving out a feature that I can't imagine really has any impact on overclocking or anything else that makes the K chips special. The only reasons I can come up with are oversight or regretable marketing gimmickery.

Agreed. Though at the same time some of the other features excluded from the K series are confusing. Luckily we should only have to wait for something around two more months to find out.

 

[jpiniero]

Is intel really THAT greedy that they will give us either TSX or unlocked multiplier, but not both? For christ sake, they already charge us 100$ to enable hyperthreading.............

I am wondering if it's possible that TSX is failing when overclocked?

 

[ehume]

I just finished building myself a new home system with an Intel® Core™ i7-3770K; so unless something comes up I won't build a new system with our next generation of processors.

So tell us, will there be solder or TIM sponge under the IHS?

 

[jason166]

Looks like I'm waiting until Haswell E. This i7 920D @ 4Ghz is a tough act to follow. :whiste:

The Intel CPU Architect who did the AMA on reddit hinted there will be some OC advantages with Haswell. He also hinted that Intel may attempt some catch up with Haswell E:

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/15iaet/iama_cpu_architect_and_designer_at_intel_ama/

If you like to overclock, Haswell is worth it (can't tell you why but read the Haswell Anandtech preview very carefully for buried treasure)

and:

There will be one Haswell variant that is going to attempt to fix this break up of the high end desktop from the mainstream.

Any guesses what he's talking about IDC?

 

[njdevilsfan87]

I won't. I just added Titan and setup a full CPU+GPU water cooling loop. I'm definitely not tearing it all down for what might end up being a 20% increase in CPU performance over my current 2700K. But I might upgrade the VM-Farm to IVB-E if it brings in a good amount of power savings. 3930Ks run pretty warm.

 

[tweakboy]

Hexa core is still worthless in most applications. Since Haswell will have a 10-15% single threaded performance advantage over IVB-E with better overclocking, i'll likely go haswell.

Who says 10 to 15 percent is wrong. Their cGPU is going to be very fast, but still we buy dedicated card so forget that. I don't think a 4 core Haswell will beat the Ivy E 6 core. gl