I've solved a long-term mystery in Quantum Mechanics that Einstein hated

SaltyNuts

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So, in quantum mechanics a particle (as a wave) is said to be in every conceivable position until it is observed. Einstein openly criticized this - what kind of observation is necessary? From whom exactly? I think it was him that joked, "would a sideways glance from a mouse suffice?".

This puzzled me for a long time. However, after some critical thought I realized that it has nothing to do with the particle being "observed" per say, by somebody or some thing. It has to do with whether THE PARTICLE'S POSITION HAS ANY RELEVANCE FOR ANYTHING. As soon as it does, then the wave, previously being everywhere possible, has to collapse at some particular point so the thing to which it is relevant for can be tested.

It is easy for all the scientists to confuse this with "observation", because once you observe something it necessarily becomes relevant, to how the rods and cones in your eyes act, among many other things. Observation means relevance, but you can have relevance without observation.

Now, as to WHY it only collapses when its position become relevant, and only then, that is something I'm still thinking about. I worry very much that we might never have a "why" other than "it just does".
 

MongGrel

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You have a few eye openers in your future really it appears, and have not solved anything.

;)

Is the cat dead or alive is very old.
 

SaltyNuts

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You have a few eye openers in your future really it appears, and have not solved anything.

;)

Is the cat dead or alive is very old.


Oh, look, its THAT guy. Prey tell, why don't you inform me of these eye openers, and the newness you reference?!
 

cbrunny

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OP, is this you?
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Ichinisan

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You've realized how spooky it is. It's exactly what is taught. You didn't "solve" anything.
 

SaltyNuts

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Errrr, see my very last sentence please. I solved the observation problem (what kind of observation has to be made in order for the wave function) - its not OBSERVATION that matters, its RELEVANCE. I've not shown this experimentally, obviously, as I don't have high-tech science equipment. I have, however, solved it via a thought experiment much like Einstein himself used to perform. All I'm saying is that when it is confirmed by the physicists that it is not the OBSERVATION of the wave like function that causes it to collapse into a particle, but the RELEVANCE of where that particle, once collapsed from the wave-like function, is, that it is what caused it to collapse - YOU HEARD IT HEAR FIRST.
 

BxgJ

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Oh no Ichinisan, you brought this back..... and Salty is all over it :eek:
 

stormkroe

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Can't wait for you to solve the E-CATS next. It's not perpetual motion, don't be absurd. I call it "The Always Move-O-Nator".