I've joined the Hybrid ranks...doubled down on Ford - have a C-Max

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So...my life is getting flipped on it's head a bit.

Moving from one state to a different one. Changing from a 10-20 mile each way, 95% highway commute to a 5 mile gridlocked grind most days.

My wife has a Camry, I had a much maligned Focus (well discussed here), and a Minivan.

Didn't want to take the Focus down with the commute I'd have. So that got sold. Then as we started evaluating things with the van, the commute, the ridiculously small garages and overall size of the van with as much traffic and congestion we'll be facing...we decided to go ahead and downsize that.

Looked at the Prius V, but it's pretty pricey for the options and a gutless turd in most situations. Normal Prius was less annoying, but still lifeless. Looked at Mazda5's but wanted better economy. Fusion/Camry hybrids were too compromised on space and I needed some hauling flexibility after coming from a van. Volt has a non-existant back seat space.

Enter the C-Max. Hadn't given it a second though as it just never was marketed well. It got very little publicity and really not something you think of when shopping hybrids.

I went to the car show in April and messed around in one for a bit. There's a deceptively large amount of space in them. Back seat space was great for my kids and the headroom is insane. Doors heights are monstrous so getting my 2 year old in and out of a car seat is one of the easiest cars I've ever worked with. Plus the entry heigh is very low and my kids can get in and out even easier than the minivan.

A few weeks back I started test driving a few different ones and seeing what I thought behind the wheel. It's a very strange seating position for a car it's size. Seats are very upright and tall like a minivan or truck. Not slung on the floor like most sedans. Padding on the drivers door is also a lot thicker than my Focus so it's no where as uncomfortable to rest your elbow. Seats are a lot wider and considerably more adjustable than the Focus. And the vision all the way around the car is great. It's sort of like an upsized Honda Fit in that regard.

The powertrain/driving experience is really the main draw of the car..but I'll save that for a bit.

So on to what I ended up getting...

Ford was clearing out the 2013's. About $3k off them + 0% for 72 months. I got a decent enough trade in on my Van. I ended up dealing on a White Platinum SEL w/ the black leather interior + the Nav and Sony system.

Took delivery last Tuesday...here's my nearly week long wrap up.

1 - Looks. It's not a looker. It's not ugly, but it's not a great looking car either. Definitely not as swanky looking as the Fusion. That being said you get the headroom, backseat space, and trunk room because of the body shape. It looks like an inflated Honda Fit.

2 - Interior. In a word. Awesome. The fit and finish, attention to soft touch materials and padding where needed is great. Leather and controls are all very high class. This thing is very well done and and makes the Prius look like the true econbox that it is. It may be a "compact" car but it punches well above it's weigh class in refinement. There's active noise cancellation speakers that really do work and make this thing a rolling vault on the highway.

3 - Tech. It's tricked out. I didn't splurge for every option. I don't have the power liftgate with the sweep the leg to open option. I also do not have a backup camera or the park assist. But it does have a host of other stuff...My Ford Touch big ass screen with a couple USB inputs and the nav system. Instrument clusters that flank both sides of the speedometer giving insane amounts of information about gas/power consumption on the left and phone/music/nav info on the right of the speedometer. Touch button start. Parking sensors. Some cool "approach" lights under the side mirrors that turn on when you get near it with the key. The door handles have a sensor that will unlock the doors if you touch it with your thumb and the key in your pocket. The sync system is similar to what my focus had but even more crazy. It will read text messages, display contact pictures on the screen when they call in, and kick back messages to callers at the push of a button when you are driving. The call quality over bluetooth is also easily the best I have ever heard. Usually BT call quality is crap, even the handsfree in my Focus was pretty bad. But in the C-Max it's almost better than talking on the phone itself. Highly impressed.

4 - Ride quality/handling. In terms of comfort and luxury, it's very good. It is unfazed by bumps and potholes. Road noise is non-existant. As I said earlier it's almost vaultlike inside the car. You can hear the ICE engine when you first use it and before it's warmed up. You can also hear it when you really lay into throttle, but otherwise it's incredibly quiet. It's a really nice ride. Handling is a little different story. You read the reviews and they say "it's just like a Focus!". Not true. My Focus was a highly damped, nimble little dart. Very little body roll and felt very light on it's feet. Not the case for the C-Max. You feel all 3600 pounds of it working against that tall roof line. It leans heavy under turns and just feels a lot mushier (technical term!) than the Focus did. It's not Prius levels of disengaged driving, but it's not a drivers car by any stretch of the imagination.

5 - Powertrain. Here's the meat and potatoes of the car and why a person buys it. This is my first hybrid. This is the first time I've spent more than 20 minutes behind the wheel of one. And the truth is...I should have owned one of these things years ago. Almost everything about them appeals to me in some way. Ford has a really impressive system setup with their latest Hybrids. The C-Max has a "traditional" Hybrid setup, and that's what I bought. They also have a plug-in version of with an additional 500 pounds of batteries in trunk that gets you 20'ish miles of pure battery action. My future commute and typical driving probably favors the plug in version more, but they were more expensive, heavy, and that extra battery pack really eats into the already compromised space that I was going to from a Mini van.

Here's how the C-Max system works. It's got a lithium ion pack vs the older battery tech of the prius flavors. That means it packs more of a punch and also recharges faster. Ford tries to leverage that quite a bit. When you first fire up the car it's silent. Not a peep. Backing it out of the garage in the morning and it doesn't make a noise. Put it in drive and then you hear the ICE kick in and the displays in the gauge pack show you are using gasoline. It'll run on gas for a couple minutes until the engine warms up. For me, I drive about 1/2 mile to the bus stop to drop off my daughter, idle for a minute or two and then take off. When you put it back in drive to take off you are now warmed up and the battery is ready to work. I can creep around my neighborhood at 25-30MPH in pure EV mode. Come out of the subdivision on the main drag, hammer the go button and but up to 60MPH in under 8 seconds, back off the accellerator and coast on EV for another 3/4 of a mile before the gas kicks back in.

I've figure out the "pulse and glide technique" with it where you get up to speed and then back off the accelerator and tip back in. That will disengage the ICE and flip it to EV mode. Using this technique, my 11 mile highway drive to work ends up being about 6 miles of ICE use and 5 miles of pure EV use. With only 500 miles on the tank I'm doing about 45 MPG going into work at speeds of 55-60MPH.

Coming home just due to how elevation drops are I can get closer to 50MPG.

Crusing around town I've had 5 mile trips that have exceeded 55MPG (computer readout).

Between the brake coach and the various displays I find driving the car almost a daily game daring me to get the most out of it. It's almost a challenge now to get the most EV miles out of my trip without being a total hypermiler annoying everyone else on the road.

Hitting red lights or slowing down are now actually rewarding since you can regen and make a game out of it :) And when you do come to a stop the car is silent and motionless when the engine cuts off and it runs off the big ass battery in the trunk.

I'm at about 350 miles into my first tank of gas and still have about 3/8 of a tank left. I don't know how linear the gauage is (it's electronic) or how much is left when it's empty. It's only a 13 gallon tank so will be interesting to see how many gallons it takes when the empty light comes on.

This little car is a very cool, fun, and funky machine. It's got plenty of space for my young family of 4. I don't feel like I'm going to die when merging or pulling out onto a busy road. It's got a fairly enthusiastic amount of gusto when needed...for a hybrid. And when I feel like just kicking back and relaxing on my drive I'm rewarded with an awesome interior, get tech toys, and 40-55MPG depending on where/how I'm driving.

To quote Han Solo...."She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts".

Which is funny because my car is a metallic white color...and I've got little smuggler hatches in the foot well of the backseat just like the Millenium Falcon.

Maybe I'll have to get custom "YT-1300" plates for it. :D
 
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Oh sorry no pics...I need to get it tinted before I show it's face in public ;)

One thing I didn't know about it until I went and googled it is a function called "EV+". I've noticed that as I get close to home and enter my subdivision it will flip from EV to "EV+". In googling it appears that the GPS is self aware and will start to notice patterns in your traveling. It will learn where home an work or other freqent travels are and flag them. Once the GPS realizes you are close to them it will look at your battery life and if there is enough there it will lock in the battery for full EV use for 1/8-1/4 of a mile an not let it flip to ICE mode. It's a good way for creeping up on your neighbors or family in the ultra quiet EV stalking mode. :D
 
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It probably beeps or something in EV mode to keep it from running down unsuspecting children...
 

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Congrats and welcome to the hybrid club! :thumbsup:

I too was looking at the Prius at first but then I sat in a Camry XLE Hybrid and was immediately impressed by how much nicer it is than the Prius. I test drove it and knew that this was the commuter car for me. 99% of the time it's just me in the car going to and from work but we also take my car when we go out of town. It is just me, my wife and our 11 year old son so the Camry has plenty of room for us. The trunk is a decent size and has a pass through to allow me to carry long items that normally wouldn't fit in the car.

I think the C-Max had just come out or was just coming out when I bought my car as was the newly redesigned Fusion Hybrid. I probably would have looked at them then but there weren't any discounts to be had on them at the time. My car is a 2012 and the 2013s were already on dealer lots so they were giving excellent discounts and financing on the 2012s.

I typically get 38-39mpg and can go over 500 miles on a tank of gas easily. If traffic is horrible (stop and go) my fuel economy climbs and I've seen as much as 46-47mpg.

I drive nearly 70 miles a day commuting and I was looking at cars in this price range anyway so the hybrid made a lot of sense for me.

BTW-If you use the heater the ICE will run more often but A/C doesn't seem to put any additional load on the system so I get excellent fuel economy even when using the A/C. During the cooler months I'll just put the seat warmers on and not run the heat at all.

I dig the EV mode too and try to run on EV as much as possible. It takes no time at all to recharge the battery and the system does a pretty good job of managing itself. Love the silent running and lack of vibration or noise at stop lights or in stop and go traffic.

If I had it to do over I'd probably give serious consideration to the Lexus ES300h which shares the hybrid system in my car but is more upscale and looks a lot nicer but gets the same fuel economy.
 
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And to appeal to the "why spend money on a hybrid?!?!" crowd...

As gas creeps close to $4 a gallon my van would get around 15MPG in the brutal stop and crawl traffic I'll be dealing with. With this thing I'll be getting closer to 45MPG or more. Over 9000 miles a year it basically pays the car payment in gas savings.
 

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I too was looking at the Prius at first but then I sat in a Camry XLE Hybrid and was immediately impressed by how much nicer it is than the Prius. I test drove it and knew that this was the commuter car for me. 99% of the time it's just me in the car going to and from work but we also take my car when we go out of town. It is just me, my wife and our 11 year old son so the Camry has plenty of room for us. The trunk is a decent size and has a pass through to allow me to carry long items that normally wouldn't fit in the car.

It's funny...two years ago when my wife got her 2012 Camry SE I made the statement..."If they made this same car in a hybrid model I'd by one for myself!".

Well...just recently Toyota maded a "Special Edition" SE hybrid trim. They literally took a normal SE model and dropped the hybrid drivetrain into it. Which was exactly what I wanted. But, after losing the van I wanted something that was at least somewhat capable of hauling awkward shaped items or large boxes. Plus the tech functions and deck out luxury features of the Cmax were nice. Got a lot more tech for the same price as the Camry. My car stickered for around $31,000. I ended up getting it for around $26,000, plus the trade in on my van.
 

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And to appeal to the "why spend money on a hybrid?!?!" crowd...

As gas creeps close to $4 a gallon my van would get around 15MPG in the brutal stop and crawl traffic I'll be dealing with. With this thing I'll be getting closer to 45MPG or more. Over 9000 miles a year it basically pays the car payment in gas savings.

$2400 vs $800 in gass. $1600 a year or $133.33 a month. Your car payment is that low?
 

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And to appeal to the "why spend money on a hybrid?!?!" crowd...

As gas creeps close to $4 a gallon my van would get around 15MPG in the brutal stop and crawl traffic I'll be dealing with. With this thing I'll be getting closer to 45MPG or more. Over 9000 miles a year it basically pays the car payment in gas savings.

:thumbsup: I'm spending $200 less per month in gas. My last car got 20-21 mpg in mixed driving at best and required premium fuel. This car takes regular.

Gas is well over $4/gallon here. I filled up Friday and paid $4.39/gallon for regular unleaded.
 

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It's close. Between equity in van and 0% for 72 months payment isn't far off from that. There's other things that make the hybrid more practical in that situation too. The regen function of the brakes produces very little wear and tear so you aren't eating through pads and rotors like a 4300 pound van would. Plus where I'm moving to our van takes up all but an inch or two of the garage space in most stalls. The houses there just have stupidly undersized stalls. C-Max is like 2+ feet shorter giving a little more wiggle room.
 

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Cool man.

I myself have been lusting after a used Prius for a while. But I would consider the C-Max (really dumb name though).

So you say it drives better than the Prius? and the battery pack is not niCad but lithium? interesting.

I wonder if the gas engine is atkinson cycle like the prius.

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but looking at prices, the C-Max is actually about the same price as a Volt. Used prices at least are similar.
 
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Yes, it's much more like a normal car than the prius is. No goofy joystick thing for the gear. It's got a typical gear selector. Driving dynamics are certainly more responsive than a Prius in every way. It'll chirp the tires from a stop and actually produce some torque steer if you punch it while on the road. It's got a surprising amount of grunt for passing and going up hills. Not the same for the Prius.

And yes, it's atkinson cycle and uses lithium ion batteries. Pack is smaller and recharges faster and can provide more power at a time than niCad. Supposed to have a much longer cycle life too.
 

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I wouldve said 2015 Fit EX 6speed but seems like a great buy for u. Congrats
 

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I love the Fit, but throw in 4 people and that 115HP starts to get a bit unhappy. Plus the bells and whistles in the C-Max are a class or two above it.
 

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I myself have been lusting after a used Prius for a while

Hehe.

OP, I hope this Ford treats you better than your Focus. I've learned to drive my ST to the point that I get 30+ MPG if I can avoid bumper-to-bumper traffic and the interstate. I work from home so my only normal commute is taking my son to and from school, and I get darn near 34 MPG on that route. And it has a few corners that are a blast :).
 

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Yes, it's much more like a normal car than the prius is. No goofy joystick thing for the gear. It's got a typical gear selector. Driving dynamics are certainly more responsive than a Prius in every way. It'll chirp the tires from a stop and actually produce some torque steer if you punch it while on the road. It's got a surprising amount of grunt for passing and going up hills. Not the same for the Prius.

And yes, it's atkinson cycle and uses lithium ion batteries. Pack is smaller and recharges faster and can provide more power at a time than niCad. Supposed to have a much longer cycle life too.

I haven't driven the Prius but the Camry Hybrid is very much like a normal sedan and it is rated at 205hp so it will do 0-60mph in 7.5 seconds or thereabouts.

I just thought the Prius felt cheap, like an economy car. I didn't even want to test drive it. The only thing it has going for it IMO is the fact that it is a hatchback.

I looked at the Focus a while before I bought the Camry but they left such a bad taste in my mouth that I vowed never to set foot in a Ford dealership again. Their sales staff is just the worst.
 
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If it was a choice between the Camry Hybrid and the C-max, I would have taken the Camry. It wouldn't be gutless, would have similar fuel economy and would be a better car overall.
 

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If it was a choice between the Camry Hybrid and the C-max, I would have taken the Camry. It wouldn't be gutless, would have similar fuel economy and would be a better car overall.

LOL. I'd expect nothing less from the resident Toyota shill.

The Cmax is anything but gutless. My wife has a Camry. Getting my kids in and out of the Cmax is easier, dropping the seats gives me far more hauling space than a Camry could. I couldn't get anywhere the options I have for the price with a Camry. And sorry to tell you but the fit and finish and overall feel of the Cmax is considerably better than my wife's car. Audio system and phone integration is light years better than the Camry.

The Camry still has nicer seats and one of the widest armrests and best center console cupholders I've used in a car. But it ends there for me.
 

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LOL. I'd expect nothing less from the resident Toyota shill.

The Cmax is anything but gutless. My wife has a Camry. Getting my kids in and out of the Cmax is easier, dropping the seats gives me far more hauling space than a Camry could. I couldn't get anywhere the options I have for the price with a Camry. And sorry to tell you but the fit and finish and overall feel of the Cmax is considerably better than my wife's car. Audio system and phone integration is light years better than the Camry.

The Camry still has nicer seats and one of the widest armrests and best center console cupholders I've used in a car. But it ends there for me.
Well considering you actually own both (hopefully of the same or similar generation i.e. 2007+) I will have to give credence to the fact that you would have a better idea of which vehicle is preferable. If you like the C-Max that is good, I'm just waiting to see if it's as reliable of a car as say a Prius or Camry. The Ford Escape hybrid was a pretty good vehicle but it used Toyota's Hybrid system so seeing a more unique design on Ford's part should be interesting.

Worst part about the C-max was the inflated fuel economy number along with the Fusion Hybrid's still inflated fuel economy numbers that have not been corrected.
 

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Yeah the Camry is a 2012, it was the remodel year. I like it, especially for the price paid. It just doesn't do some things as well as the C-Max does.

I understand the inflated numbers. Ford had some shenanigans with putting the Fusion numbers on the C-Max under a technicality of shared powertrains. Truth is that before buying I really dug into some of the owner forums and saw many owners still getting mid 40's or better in town. It was the highway milage that really took a beating. That's fine as an overwhelming majority of my time and miles will spent in stop and go crawling in a very busy urban setting.

One thing that really annoys me with the Camry in regards to the kids is how long the back doors are. Trying to open those doors up in a tight spot is a major pain. The C-Max doors feel about half as long and the opening twice as tall so it's a lot easier hoisting kids in and out.
 

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welcome to the club really enjoying my cmax energy. especially with the warmer weather the 20 mile battery range works well for me. cold kills the range; mainly due to using heat
 

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I've had my Prius for about 1 1/2 years and put on almost 39000 miles so far.

Price breakdown with the improved gas over my tundra is as follows for me.

38720 miles averaging 45.4 miles per gallon at an average of $3.31/gallon = $2823 total gas
The Tundra gets a third the mileage the prius does, so thats a savings of $5646. Thats $313/month in savings for 18 months. payments are 470. So it cost me 157 a month or $2826 over those months.

That's atleast how I justify it. That and it keeps the mileage off my truck.
 

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The Ford Escape hybrid was a pretty good vehicle but it used Toyota's Hybrid system

I didn't know people still believed that.

"The Escape Hybrid uses technology similar to that used in the Toyota Prius. Ford engineers realized their technology may conflict with patents held by Toyota, which led to a 2004 patent-sharing accord between the companies, licensing Ford's use of some of Toyota's hybrid technology[24] in exchange for Toyota's use of some of Ford's diesel and direct-injection engine technology.[25] Ford maintains that Ford received no technical assistance from Toyota in developing the hybrid powertrain, but that some hybrid engine technologies developed by Ford independently were found to be similar to technologies previously patented by Toyota, so licenses were obtained."
 

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Wanted to give a 1.5 month update on the car.

Really, really like it. My wife has a 2012 Camry and it's night and day when I go between the two vehicles. The C-max is rolling vault. The lack of noise in the cabin is surreal. There is virtually zero road noise, external noise is incredibly damped. The only time there's anything coming from under the hood is when the ICE is getting warmed up or it kicks in when on a hill or heavy acceleration.

Then when you combine the lack of noise with the weight of the car...it just feels like it's a car that should be a high end luxury class.

Going back to the camry feels like dropping from first class back to economy seating.

I'm learning how to do the "pulse and glide" technique and getting the most out of the battery without being a total hypermiling dick to others on the road. The other day I did a 30 mile country drive through rolling hills and averaged 55MPG on the drive. In town when the engine is warm I can get 60-70MPG in stop and go traffic.

I've got 2300 miles on the car and working on averaging 43MPG. My morning commute is about 4 miles of 45-55MPH spurts with some stop and go. The afternoon is more of a stoplight crawl. In the morning I get about 38MPG due to the speeds and the direction (it's mostly a climb) and the fact that the engine is cold from sitting overnight. In the afternoon it's closer to 50MPG as I'm using the battery more and regenerating more from braking.

I've got very little complaints about the My Ford Touch system. My biggest complaint is entering the addresses on the nav system. It's a pain. Typing sucks and trying to say a name takes about 3 attempts before it understands. Not thrilled with that. But it's a very large, nice looking map once it is enabled. It's got the best phone integration and call quality I've used in a car.

Ford has a little gem on their hands here. It's really a car that most people would prefer over a Prius really. It's not in your face with the hybrid tech, it's very upscale for it's class, and overall one of the least compromised hybrids you will find. If you slam the gas the thing will really chirps the wheels too! It's got some grunt if you dig into it.

I'm impressed. Between my change in commutes and this car I'm going from almost $200 a month in gas to about $40 now.
 

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Thanks for posting. I'm curious about the CMax now.

How tall are you? I'm 6'4" and looking for a carseat-friendly car with room in the back. I've got one front-facing and one rear facing now.

My concern is legroom for me when I can't put my seat all the way back without hitting the seat or giving the kids a seatback to kick.

My local dealership has 4 in stock...I may check them out on the way home today.