Ive had it......This is the last draw

[JPB]

I have been waiting months for R600. Because I am a ATI fanboy. I have owned almost every ATI card since the Radeon 9000. And was really looking forward to the new series.

I am going to be upgrading to a bigger lcd ( probably a 24" ) and was wanting a better card than I have now. BUT....since ATI cannot seem to get a card released or when its ready to be released, they postpone it even further, screw them. I'm not waiting 2-4 more months for an upgrade in monitor and video card.

So the moral of the story here is.....ATI JUST LOST ME AS A LONG TIME FAN AND CUSTOMER. Im going to go ahead and order a 8800GTS 640mb card from eVga. And when the 8900GTS is released, im gonna step up to it. And then my monitor in two weeks.

Anyway, I am just so pissed right now. I dont care if they need to get clocks high enough or whatever to compete with Nvidia. I will absolutely no longer deal with them ( not including AMD ). I dont care if its released tomorrow, My mind is made up. And it is.....screw ATI...........8(

Soooo........

Bye Bye ATI

HELLO Nvidia

END RANT

edit: spelling

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: x80064
Because I am a ATI fanboy.......
So the moral of the story here is.....

....to not get emotionally attached to PC components.

Your post made me lol though sorry. If you want to root for a team, find a sport that interests you. When it comes to PC components just buy what suits you best when you're ready to buy. That'll keep you happy (and sane).

 

[JPB]

LOL...its cool chizow. I do have sports teams though....Baltimore Ravens, and the Altanta Braves. 8) Its just irritating that they keep dropping the ball. But they still lost me as a customer. And im not attached to PC components, Im attached to how my PC performs when I want to play a game.

 

[Avalon]

Waiting for PC components to come out is a waste of time. Should have just bought the 8800GTS earlier so you could have been enjoying your rig now (unless you were using Vista). The only reason I'm waiting to upgrade is because I'm broke, not because I want anything in particular to come out before buying.

 

[Goosemaster]

that rant sucked man.

If you need something now just get the best that you can get and don't fret over this emotional attachment crap.


Btw, what kind of fanboy starts out with a Radeon, much less a 9000

Just keep your pants on and stop complaining.


I know I've complained about their linux drivers and doing, but what I should have done [and did ] was just get an nvidia card.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I think you're a little too emotionally attached. I assure you ATi/AMD didn't delay their next graphic card to anger you.

I've always been an AMD guy, but if Barcelona ends up sucking, well, my next PC will be powered by Intel. No big deal.

 

[JPB]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
that rant sucked man.

If you need something now just get the best that you can get and don't fret over this emotional attachment crap.


Btw, what kind of fanboy starts out with a Radeon, much less a 9000

Just keep your pants on and stop complaining.


I know I've complained about their linux drivers and doing, but what I should have done [and did ] was just get an nvidia card.

Keep my pants on ? I kept my pants on waiting on the 1800 Series.....Ive kept my pants on waiting on R600, and now its delayed ? For all I care, it can stay delayed. And ive stuck with ATI over the years because their cards has always been excellent in my machines.

BTW, what part of ( there is NO attachment to components, just my PC.......especially when PC's are hard to come by ) don't you understand ?

No, they did not delay it to anger me......but when you wake up, hoping for something different to read about my favorite company, and I see the words delayed ? Well, you know....

 

[Matt2]

I dont know why people put up with ATI's (now AMD's) marketing techniques.

Nvidia gets their product out the door first, ATI loses profits by playing catch up, ATI tries to curb Nvidia's sales by leaking specs of a monster GPU, people wait months for this vaporware GPU, ATI releases marginally faster GPU, repeat yearly.

If you're building a rig now, just get the 8800GTX, you'll still be king of the hill till April and by the time you realize that you want a faster card, an 8900GTX will be available for you to upgrade to.

 

[Pugnate]

You know I sold my 7800GTX last August because I wanted to take a break and thought I'd buy the R600 in October. Then I thought I'd wait and buy it in December. However the 8800GTX turned out to be surprisingly powerful and I picked it up in hopes to go to the R600 when it came, and boy am I glad I didn't wait. I can't believe how long this R600 saga is running.

 

[BassBomb]

Im with you X80064!!!

I have been watching ATi VS AMD product launches every since the 6 series for nVidia launched. As you can tell I'm traditionally an nVidia buyer.

But, I have always wanted to cross the pond into ATi. The biggest problem is the fact their midrange prices have NEVER been as good as nVidia. When they are its much too late to be even worth considering.

nVidia launches a pretty good product, then ATi launches a albeit better one much later at full price. While that takes so long, the nVidia product has already dropped in price making them much more affordable.

The past 6 months marked the only time I was very close in purchasing ATi. They had their X1900XT 256 mb and X1950XT 256 mb priced very well. Now the 8800GTS 320 is out and there goes the neighbourhood. For $50 more, a very capable and in some cases better product.

I really wish they would release their products at similar time frames to better compete, and give the consumer more selection. This would make nVidia drop its entry price (and ATi too). That would have the biggest effect on the market in my opinion.

Midrange is where I LOVE to lay, but the releases are too long for midrange (1 year+ compared to ~6 months for high end)

 

[jhbball]

Just buy the strongest card, @ the best deal at the time you need a card. Seems simple enough to me.

I've had ATI cards for years, but I've thrown in a couple nvidia cards as I've needed to.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Matt2
I dont know why people put up with ATI's (now AMD's) marketing techniques.

Nvidia gets their product out the door first, ATI loses profits by playing catch up, ATI tries to curb Nvidia's sales by leaking specs of a monster GPU, people wait months for this vaporware GPU, ATI releases marginally faster GPU, repeat yearly.

If you're building a rig now, just get the 8800GTX, you'll still be king of the hill till April and by the time you realize that you want a faster card, an 8900GTX will be available for you to upgrade to.

Neither company is perfect. Nvidia has their own problem of making promises that are either late or they never make good on. All the while maintaining complete silence on the subject.

Simply buy the best card for your needs. If you don't want to wait, just buy an 8800 series. It's a nice card.

 

[beserker15]

lol, yeah dude, what if nvidia delays stuff in the future, wouldn't swearing off ati mean you gotta now go with what? xgi? don't swear off a company cuz they can't make stuff when you need it, just go for the best at the time. nvidia's fx line was delayed and crappy often, it's not like people stopped buying nvidia products afterwards.

 

[imported_thefonz]

To be honest I'm really surprised people are getting so uptight about buying the best of the best, when the last generation cards play all every game available now surprisingly well, and there are no DX10 games.

What if the dX10 games really suck and flop! You just spent 500 or so dollars on a vid card just to play old games that you could have played perfectly good on a your current card
Future proofing is really fvucking overrated in my opinion.


Anyways, enjoy the the GTX, and remember, its how you use it.............

maybe that applies to your real life situation as well :laugh:

 

[Keysplayr]

Well, in light of this news, looks like there is going to be a surge in G80 sales now.
ATI wants desperately to best G80 no doubt, but when it effects your ability to get a product to market, it's time to rethink what's more important. Which is, "Do we try to get our product out there to our faithful who have been waiting to buy it? Or do we keep re-spinning our silicon so we can get the clocks we need to beat G80?"

Remember the X1800 though? We all thought it couldn't get the clock speeds ATI intended for a long time, until it was leaked that it was a design issue with a metal layer of some sort. Took them 9 months to find it. Wonder what they missed this time around.

I hope they release something sooner than later, that is for sure.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: thefonz
To be honest I'm really surprised people are getting so uptight about buying the best of the best, when the last generation cards play all every game available now surprisingly well, and there are no DX10 games.

What if the dX10 games really suck and flop! You just spent 500 or so dollars on a vid card just to play old games that you could have played perfectly good on a your current card
Future proofing is really fvucking overrated in my opinion.


Anyways, enjoy the the GTX, and remember, its how you use it.............

maybe that applies to your real life situation as well :laugh:

But the new cards (G80) play every game available now, better. Much better. I am certain all the folks waiting on R600 are not just looking to buy the thing for DX10 only. They want it to crank up their current games as well. Not necessary to factor in DX10 when you get such a large increase in performance on current games. Of course DX10 support does not hurt for later on

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Matt2
I dont know why people put up with ATI's (now AMD's) marketing techniques.

Nvidia gets their product out the door first, ATI loses profits by playing catch up, ATI tries to curb Nvidia's sales by leaking specs of a monster GPU, people wait months for this vaporware GPU, ATI releases marginally faster GPU, repeat yearly.

If you're building a rig now, just get the 8800GTX, you'll still be king of the hill till April and by the time you realize that you want a faster card, an 8900GTX will be available for you to upgrade to.

Neither company is perfect. Nvidia has their own problem of making promises that are either late or they never make good on. All the while maintaining complete silence on the subject.

Simply buy the best card for your needs. If you don't want to wait, just buy an 8800 series. It's a nice card.

I agree that both companies have their flaws, but I can deal with Nvidia sometimes not living up to expectations. I can live with that because at least they hard launch their products without hyping it up. This allows the consumer to read reviews and gives them the power to buy the product if they like what they see and make a decision for themselves if Nvidia came up short on a feature they wanted. An example of this is PureVideo. When PureVideo was broken, lots of people got turned off by Nvidia. I on the other hand couldnt give two sh1ts about PureVideo and I went with nvidia anyway.

What I cant deal with is ATI leaking specs that make their GPUs look twice as good and making it sound like it will be launched a month after Nvidia's release. People get hyped up and wait for months for a GPU that is delayed over and over again. Then they compound the problem even further by paper launching, showing their product is better, but then not allowing people to actually buy them for at least a couple of weeks. I hate it.

ATI only does this to make people wait for their product instead of buying the competitor's product. They may fool a lot of people with this strategy, but I'm not fooled by it anymore.

Personally, I think this marketing strategy by ATI (now AMD) is lower than anything Nvidia has done since cheating their 3DMark scores.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well, in light of this news, looks like there is going to be a surge in G80 sales now.
ATI wants desperately to best G80 no doubt, but when it effects your ability to get a product to market, it's time to rethink what's more important. Which is, "Do we try to get our product out there to our faithful who have been waiting to buy it? Or do we keep re-spinning our silicon so we can get the clocks we need to beat G80?"

Remember the X1800 though? We all thought it couldn't get the clock speeds ATI intended for a long time, until it was leaked that it was a design issue with a metal layer of some sort. Took them 9 months to find it. Wonder what they missed this time around.

I hope they release something sooner than later, that is for sure.

You're going on complete assumption saying there's something wrong with the R600 or that it's slower than the G80. It could just as easily be a GDDR4 supply problem. Or possibly GPU production wasn't able to ramp up quickly enough to give an adequate supply for the previously projected release date and AMD wants to ensure a hard launch. We may never know the true reason for the delay.

 

[imported_thefonz]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well, in light of this news, looks like there is going to be a surge in G80 sales now.
ATI wants desperately to best G80 no doubt, but when it effects your ability to get a product to market, it's time to rethink what's more important. Which is, "Do we try to get our product out there to our faithful who have been waiting to buy it? Or do we keep re-spinning our silicon so we can get the clocks we need to beat G80?"

Remember the X1800 though? We all thought it couldn't get the clock speeds ATI intended for a long time, until it was leaked that it was a design issue with a metal layer of some sort. Took them 9 months to find it. Wonder what they missed this time around.

I hope they release something sooner than later, that is for sure.

You're going on complete assumption saying there's something wrong with the R600 or that it's slower than the G80. It could just as easily be a GDDR4 supply problem. Or possibly GPU production wasn't able to ramp up quickly enough to give an adequate supply for the previously projected release date and AMD wants to ensure a hard launch. We may never know the true reason for the delay.

I posted this in the other thread but it was at the bottom of a last page and seems to be ignored
My thoughts on the R600 etc

"Maybe this is just a strategy to try and sell both the native quad cores and 28xx's together in a system, along with new chip sets!
If every piece of silicone in your computer is from AMD there gong to be making alot of freakin money, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the last of the nForce chipsets for AMD also.

Reality is that if some people upgrade there vid card, there going to get a new cpu as well (especially apg users)

Bottom line, AMD wants all your money, not just some from a video card.

Works out for me anyway cause I was gonna wait till either the current quad cores or new quad cores are around 400 before I buy a new system. I won't mind giving AMD all my cash in a couple months as long as performance is on par or better than intel/nvidia solutions.

Dual cores are so last year "

They obviously had it ready,they invited all the press, And then they cancel? this is a pure strategic $ decision,
Anyone believing yield issues must be retarded, They had 13 revisions before this, and if they can't figure it out by now, they really are screwed.

 

[ebeattie]

Well, I can feel for the OP. You try and be loyal to a company that is usually trying to keep up with the Joneses, and when you hear of a monster supposed to be coming out and its delayed for 7-8 months, it tends to piss people off!

@craig: Whatever AMDi's reasons for delaying again might be, the fact that such a card has been delayed for so long and zero info as to why another delay is unacceptable. Granted, when the companies were younger, they may have been foolish enough not to do so, but they have both been at this game for awhile now and they both should have learned from each others mistakes.

 

[JPB]

Originally posted by: thefonz
To be honest I'm really surprised people are getting so uptight about buying the best of the best, when the last generation cards play all every game available now surprisingly well, and there are no DX10 games.

What if the dX10 games really suck and flop! You just spent 500 or so dollars on a vid card just to play old games that you could have played perfectly good on a your current card
Future proofing is really fvucking overrated in my opinion.


Anyways, enjoy the the GTX, and remember, its how you use it.............

maybe that applies to your real life situation as well :laugh:

I never go for the best card. The GTS isnt the best card, It will just run my games at a higher res like I want it to. Even if R600 was released now, I would only go with the GT or the XL...and those arnt the best either.

I was just telling my brother today, when I play my games...which is mostly FPS multiplayer like Quake 4 and Doom 3 ( which run better on NV I think ) I need the smoothest gameplay possible.

And yes, I am an eye candy junky, I want my games to look ( The way its meant to be looked at ) and to play it the way ( Its meant to be played ) LOL, I just had to add those in there. I dont wanna hear, well, you can run your games GREAT, but we PROMISE to the consumer that this card will be released in Quarter 1. Then get's pushed two Quarter 2.

Maybe they delayed because there trying to make sure the WHQL drivers will be ready ?

I dont know...but im not waiting any longer. And yea, I hope there is a surge in G80 prices.....Maybe next go around ATI wont be so sloppy.


EDIT: Anyone wanna buy a 5 month old X1900GT IceQ3 video card in the next two week for around $150 ? Keep an eye on the FS/FT

 

[Bateluer]

ATI has had a lot going on this time around, technically speaking, they no longer exist. Its AMD now.

I will be in the market for a new video card soon, but I'm waiting for the R600s to be released and for the refresh to the 8800s to come out before I buy anything.

This is just me talking, but I'd rather AMD take their time with the R600 to do the job right. This will be the first card that AMD produces and will do much to make or break their video card reputation.

 

[imported_thefonz]

Originally posted by: x80064

Originally posted by: thefonz
To be honest I'm really surprised people are getting so uptight about buying the best of the best, when the last generation cards play all every game available now surprisingly well, and there are no DX10 games.

What if the dX10 games really suck and flop! You just spent 500 or so dollars on a vid card just to play old games that you could have played perfectly good on a your current card
Future proofing is really fvucking overrated in my opinion.


Anyways, enjoy the the GTX, and remember, its how you use it.............

maybe that applies to your real life situation as well :laugh:

I never go for the best card. The GTS isnt the best card, It will just run my games at a higher res like I want it to. Even if R600 was released now, I would only go with the GT or the XL...and those arnt the best either.

I was just telling my brother today, when I play my games...which is mostly FPS multiplayer like Quake 4 and Doom 3 ( which run better on NV I think ) I need the smoothest gameplay possible.

And yes, I am an eye candy junky, I want my games to look ( The way its meant to be looked at ) and to play it the way ( Its meant to be played ) LOL, I just had to add those in there. I dont wanna hear, well, you can run your games GREAT, but we PROMISE to the consumer that this card will be released in Quarter 1. Then get's pushed two Quarter 2.

Maybe they delayed because there trying to make sure the WHQL drivers will be ready ?

I dont know...but im not waiting any longer. And yea, I hope there is a surge in G80 prices.....Maybe next go around ATI wont be so sloppy.

You can't play doom 3 and quake 4 on your 1900gt?

Do you have a 30 inch WS?

oh, nvm

and you want to pay ridiculous prices for 8800's?

Thats great, because comapnies like a sucker, and they've got you

hook
line
dinner

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: x80064
Because I am a ATI fanboy.......
So the moral of the story here is.....

....to not get emotionally attached to PC components.

Your post made me lol though sorry. If you want to root for a team, find a sport that interests you. When it comes to PC components just buy what suits you best when you're ready to buy. That'll keep you happy (and sane).

i like to pick the underdog ... unless i am putting serious money on it and stand to lose

i am *still* rooting for ATi ... and AMD ... we *need* them

will i buy an ati gpu in the future when i build my rig, next year?

sure ... IF it is best-bang-for-buck for my rig....

but if not, then nvidia is fine

ATi is not loyal to me ... my 'loyalty' ends when their product is inferior or late
[or IF i get screwed by one of their Partner's RMA scams]

there are sports teams i "like" but i am no *fanboy*

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
ATI has had a lot going on this time around, technically speaking, they no longer exist. Its AMD now.

I will be in the market for a new video card soon, but I'm waiting for the R600s to be released and for the refresh to the 8800s to come out before I buy anything.

This is just me talking, but I'd rather AMD take their time with the R600 to do the job right. This will be the first card that AMD produces and will do much to make or break their video card reputation.

i *believe* AMD will not release a buggy product ... that their drivers are ready for it ... something *happened* at the last minute that upset their plans ... i imagine this cost them big time if they already manufactured flawed GPUs.

BUT, perhaps it can't be fixed ... it happens ... and almost happened with x1800 ... they might have to *skip* r600 entirely in favor of r660.

IF i were upgrading *now* i would not wait ... BUT , since i can afford to "wait and see" ... i will ... i am NOT eager to upgrade to Vista and buggy DX10 drivers for a single game.