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I've been working out recently (for about 13 weeks)

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Philippine Mango

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So I've been wondering is if the weight I've put on is muscle or fat. I've never really worked out in my whole life and this is the only time I've ever dedicated time to doing some real workouts etc.. I don't know how much weight your suppose to gain with in a set period of time and was wondering why I didn't loose some weight instead.. I'm not fat but I do kind of have a gut and I'm not as lean as I wish I could be.
 
It could be muscle, but a lot of times what happens is people will start working out more and just give themselves more treats, like milkshakes, cheeseburgers etc. If you aren't eating a lot of junk food, you could very well have gained almost that much in muscle mass.
 
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
So I've been wondering is if the weight I've put on is muscle or fat. I've never really worked out in my whole life and this is the only time I've ever dedicated time to doing some real workouts etc.. I don't know how much weight your suppose to gain with in a set period of time and was wondering why I didn't loose some weight instead.. I'm not fat but I do kind of have a gut and I'm not as lean as I wish I could be.
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I highly doubt that you've gained 13lbs of muscle unless you've been on a very very strict diet and exercise program with lots of supplementation (mostly protein, but fatty acids like CLA are also useful)

make sure you keep track of your caloric intake and take measurements of your body periodically while keeping track of gains in the weight room
 
In nine months I went from a 135 lb squat and a 185lb bench to a 405lb squat and a 350lb bench. 500lb deadlift, traditional style.

I took whey protein and creatine. That was my fastest increase, I lost or gained no weight , just stayed right at 235.

So 14lb muscle gain Id say it should be muscle mostly if youre on a good program.
 
It depends on if you are doing lots of Cario and such (which is what helps lose weight) or lots of heavy weight lifting (which helps gain muscle), or a mix which is what you should do.
 
Ive gained 15lbs of muscle in two months with no supplements by working out 5 times a week and watching what I eat.
 
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
Ive gained 15lbs of muscle in two months with no supplements by working out 5 times a week and watching what I eat.
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I can pretty much guarantee that wasn't 15lbs of pure muscle.
 
I started the gym again between xmas and new years and have LOST 15lbs doing cardio and weight training. The weight training is for tone and strength not bulk. If I put on 15lbs in that time I would be quite upset.
 
My legs are pretty muscular because I used to run track, wrestle, and row. (as well as mountain bike and snowboard) So....I can go to the weight guessers in Carnivals and at Six Flags. People always guess, "175 pounds".....I weigh 235 right now. 😛
 
Well I have been doing some cardio on the machines and was able to improve my time went from 20 minutes 1 mile on LVL 20 to (14:30 1 mile on LVL20 (LVL 20 is the hardest). But for the most part I've been doing weight lifting going about 5 times a week, in that 13 weeks (more like 15 weeks) I did a 2 week break. My muscles DO feel bigger and when I checked my calf muscles when I flexed them, I was VERY surprised to see how defined they were..

Diet wise, at first I was eating my normal routine (for about the first 2 weeks or so I got really sore but continued to eat the same) but as time has gone on I have been eating more and more and couldn't figure out why until I realized it was because of the working out. The junkfood thing (4 hamburgers and 2 "orders of fries) was only yesterday but otherwise I've been eating like (Normal diet+extra drinks/food).
 
I must have been totally wrong (or heard incorrectly), but I've heard that people shouldn't (or just dont) put on more than about 5 lbs of muscle in a year with a good program.
 
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
Ive gained 15lbs of muscle in two months with no supplements by working out 5 times a week and watching what I eat.
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I can pretty much guarantee that wasn't 15lbs of pure muscle.
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It was definitely 90% muscle gain of the 15lbs. I went from 140 to 200 bench, watched what I ate, and went from 140 to 155lbs. I have bad stretch marks because of it.....trust me.
 
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
Ive gained 15lbs of muscle in two months with no supplements by working out 5 times a week and watching what I eat.
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I can pretty much guarantee that wasn't 15lbs of pure muscle.
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It was definitely 90% muscle gain of the 15lbs. I went from 140 to 200 bench, watched what I ate, and went from 140 to 155lbs. I have bad stretch marks because of it.....trust me.
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That's 13.5lbs of muscle. You do not gain 13.5lbs of muscle simply by watching what you eat and lifting regularly in 8 weeks. You need to do a TON of healthy eating and heavily increasing your overall food intake, along with TONS of protein to get anywhere near even 1/2 of that in two months.

People do not naturally gain 13.5lbs of muscle by eating healthy and lifting regularly in 8 weeks.

EDIT: Hell, if it was possible to gain muscle at a rate of 7lbs per month naturally by just lifting and watching what you eat, I would've been at least a 290lb monster Center in HS instead of a 240lb above-average sized Center.
 
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
Ive gained 15lbs of muscle in two months with no supplements by working out 5 times a week and watching what I eat.
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I can pretty much guarantee that wasn't 15lbs of pure muscle.
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It was definitely 90% muscle gain of the 15lbs. I went from 140 to 200 bench, watched what I ate, and went from 140 to 155lbs. I have bad stretch marks because of it.....trust me.
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That's 13.5lbs of muscle. You do not gain 13.5lbs of muscle simply by watching what you eat and lifting regularly in 8 weeks. You need to do a TON of healthy eating and heavily increasing your overall food intake, along with TONS of protein to get anywhere near even 1/2 of that in two months.

People do not naturally gain 13.5lbs of muscle by eating healthy and lifting regularly in 8 weeks.

EDIT: Hell, if it was possible to gain muscle at a rate of 7lbs per month naturally by just lifting and watching what you eat, I would've been at least a 290lb monster Center in HS instead of a 240lb above-average sized Center.
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sorry didnt know you were an expert, i guess i must be a freak case.

I think its easier to gain what I did since I was only 140lbs........somebody your size would be hard pressed to make those gains in that ammount of time.

I didnt work out regularly, I worked out 5 days a week 1.5 hours at a time. Thats above regular.

Im not trying to argue with you, but just stating that it is possible to the OP.
 
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
Ive gained 15lbs of muscle in two months with no supplements by working out 5 times a week and watching what I eat.
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I can pretty much guarantee that wasn't 15lbs of pure muscle.
Click to expand...

It was definitely 90% muscle gain of the 15lbs. I went from 140 to 200 bench, watched what I ate, and went from 140 to 155lbs. I have bad stretch marks because of it.....trust me.
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That's 13.5lbs of muscle. You do not gain 13.5lbs of muscle simply by watching what you eat and lifting regularly in 8 weeks. You need to do a TON of healthy eating and heavily increasing your overall food intake, along with TONS of protein to get anywhere near even 1/2 of that in two months.

People do not naturally gain 13.5lbs of muscle by eating healthy and lifting regularly in 8 weeks.

EDIT: Hell, if it was possible to gain muscle at a rate of 7lbs per month naturally by just lifting and watching what you eat, I would've been at least a 290lb monster Center in HS instead of a 240lb above-average sized Center.
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sorry didnt know you were an expert, i guess i must be a freak case.

I think its easier to gain what I did since I was only 140lbs........somebody your size would be hard pressed to make those gains in that ammount of time.

I didnt work out regularly, I worked out 5 days a week 1.5 hours at a time. Thats above regular.

Im not trying to argue with you, but just stating that it is possible to the OP.
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I don't agree with you, and here's why.

First, from a personal experience. I weighed 128lbs benched about 155 and squatted about 185. Over the course of a few months I put on only 6 lbs and my benched jumped to 225 and squat to 255. I supplemented heavily with Celltech creatine and isopure protein, took multivitamins, and flaxseed oil.

Secondly, your workout regiment seems counterproductive to optimal mass gains. You mentioned that you worked out 5 days a week for 1.5 hours at a time. The muscle in your body are generally efficient up to 50 minutes of weight training. After that, your exercise is counterproductive to growth (though still helpful for overall fitness). If you were doing cardio during this time, that too would be counterproductive to maximizing muscle growth (which would be necessary to gain 13.5lbs of lean muscle mass). Lastly, 'watching what you eat' doesn't cut it. Your diet has to be specifically tailored to maximize growth in order to get the gains you specified. At least 2 grams of protein per pound of body mass with a highly distributed caloric intake.

Though I may be wrong, all I know indicates otherwise.
 
Originally posted by: Yanagi
Originally posted by: BigJ
Should've kept track of inches, and also kept track of body fat % before and after.
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i know you gotta get your postcount up...but if you're gonna quote somebody...atleast add something of your own. i mean...c'mon!!!

and OP...are you doing any cardio?
 
Originally posted by: BigJ
That's 13.5lbs of muscle. You do not gain 13.5lbs of muscle simply by watching what you eat and lifting regularly in 8 weeks. You need to do a TON of healthy eating and heavily increasing your overall food intake, along with TONS of protein to get anywhere near even 1/2 of that in two months.

People do not naturally gain 13.5lbs of muscle by eating healthy and lifting regularly in 8 weeks.

EDIT: Hell, if it was possible to gain muscle at a rate of 7lbs per month naturally by just lifting and watching what you eat, I would've been at least a 290lb monster Center in HS instead of a 240lb above-average sized Center.
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Bullsheet.

Some people can do that. Me? No. Most people? Absolutely not. I get extremely ripped and my strength to weight ratio is good but that's just me. I CANNOT put on upper body mass except for my neck back and shoulders. I have a bird chest no matter how much I work out. But my shoulders/neck/back are borderline freak.

I have a friend, he weighs about 175.

I'm not exagerating when I say this. If the kid hits the bench 3 times a week. 3 sets of 15. Hell, even if he does push ups, he gets HUUUUGE.

I'm talking solid no effort Hulk muscle mass.

He probably gets ripped just by sitting up when he wakes up in the morning.

Some people just have the bodies.

The kid barely works out at all. In fact he's downright lazy and undisciplined. But he looks like and is in the physical shape of someone who works out all the time. It's uncanny.

I'm just saying. What the OP is experiencing is not unheard of. It's very rare but it happens.

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Also he eats like sh!t. He's basically borderline poor and has a hard time getting at least 3 decent meals a day of anything, not even considering eating right.
 
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: Yanagi
Originally posted by: BigJ
Should've kept track of inches, and also kept track of body fat % before and after.
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i know you gotta get your postcount up...but if you're gonna quote somebody...atleast add something of your own. i mean...c'mon!!!

and OP...are you doing any cardio?
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Yes, I have been doing some cardio but most likely not enough. For the last few days (last week) I was very tired but not sore, but on the other hand when I tried to do dumbell press and curls it was very difficult (what was normally my norm). So during the time I couldn't lift weights effectively, I was doing cardio. I will not deny that I'm not ripped but have noticed that when I flex, I can actually see and feel something there. Also BTW, my calf muscles are WAY more defined then they EVER have been.
 
Originally posted by: MantisFistMonk
Originally posted by: BigJ
That's 13.5lbs of muscle. You do not gain 13.5lbs of muscle simply by watching what you eat and lifting regularly in 8 weeks. You need to do a TON of healthy eating and heavily increasing your overall food intake, along with TONS of protein to get anywhere near even 1/2 of that in two months.

People do not naturally gain 13.5lbs of muscle by eating healthy and lifting regularly in 8 weeks.

EDIT: Hell, if it was possible to gain muscle at a rate of 7lbs per month naturally by just lifting and watching what you eat, I would've been at least a 290lb monster Center in HS instead of a 240lb above-average sized Center.
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Bullsheet.

Some people can do that. Me? No. Most people? Absolutely not. I get extremely ripped and my strength to weight ratio is good but that's just me. I CANNOT put on upper body mass except for my neck back and shoulders. I have a bird chest no matter how much I work out. But my shoulders/neck/back are borderline freak.

I have a friend, he weighs about 175.

I'm not exagerating when I say this. If the kid hits the bench 3 times a week. 3 sets of 15. Hell, even if he does push ups, he gets HUUUUGE.

I'm talking solid no effort Hulk muscle mass.

He probably gets ripped just by sitting up when he wakes up in the morning.

Some people just have the bodies.

The kid barely works out at all. In fact he's downright lazy and undisciplined. But he looks like and is in the physical shape of someone who works out all the time. It's uncanny.

I'm just saying. What the OP is experiencing is not unheard of. It's very rare but it happens.

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Also he eats like sh!t. He's basically borderline poor and has a hard time getting at least 3 decent meals a day of anything, not even considering eating right.
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If what you're saying is true, then your friend is a freak case plain and simple. It's damn near impossible to put on that much mass by simply lifting and keeping your diet exactly the same as it is during a non-bulking cycle. And if your friend hits the bench doing 3 sets of 15, thats not a set you would do to bulk, thats a set you would use on a cutting phase. If you said 3 sets of 8, or a power set, that'd be a different story.

Also, by "huge" do you mean as in ripped? Or massive with less definition? If you're referring to ripped, once again people can obtain that simply by going on cutting exercise plan. If you mean massive with less definition, thats how you would see a lot of the linemen on my team get. Big solid bricks without being overly defined.

Since you lift, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Muscles don't form out of nothing, you need to adjust your diet so that your body can repair and grow muscle, especially if you want to put on mass instead of just training your muscles so you can lift more. Especially like stated above, when PimpJuice's workout is nowhere near optimal for gains in both mass and weight lifted. 5 days a week x 1.5hours is not a good plan to do this, unless you're taking certain things, and I'm not getting into that.

During my football training I probably didn't see near my potential gains in mass because I always had to work on agility and speed. But I didn't even put on 4lbs of pure muscle a month, let alone 7. I just find it very unbelievable to put on 13.5lbs of muscle in two months.

EDIT: I saw your revision

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Also he eats like sh!t. He's basically borderline poor and has a hard time getting at least 3 decent meals a day of anything, not even considering eating right.
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It's simple then. Your friend is not getting any bigger, he's just getting much more defined because he's burning off what little fat he has in his body after using up all the energy from his caloric intake.
 
Originally posted by: PimpJuice
It was definitely 90% muscle gain of the 15lbs. I went from 140 to 200 bench, watched what I ate, and went from 140 to 155lbs.
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So, is that definitely as in "I went and got dunked/caliper tested before and after" or definitely as in "I measured a few spots and punched it into an internet calculator" or definitely as in "I have no clue, 13.5 lbs sounds good."
 
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