I've been working on/selling laptops for 28 years?!?!?!

jonnyGURU

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So I'm at this Intel thing where we all get to talk about and tear apart laptops.

One guy was arguing that Intel should create a laptop standard AND ENFORCE IT so we can make clone laptops.

This other guy said that that has been tried and it failed.

It has?

I remember when Asus came into the scene BIG TIME with the modular laptop idea that was proprietary to Asus, but still modular, but they don't really do that anymore.

It escalated into an argument and the guy who said that the idea didn't work/won't work &quot;how long have you been in this industry?&quot;

Now, I don't see what this has to do with anything. In this day and age, we CAN make components so small that we can either create a standard modulation that all manufactuers should follow or make a fully integrated laptop motherboard that is so inexpensive that it is essentially disposable because it's so cheap (save the monitor, CPU, HDD and CD/FDD of course). I had no clue where this guy was coming from. You can be in this industry either a long time or only a few months and it still sounds like a good idea.

The other guy responded that he had been in the industry....


....28 years?!?!?!


Think about that. 28 years.

I've been in it for 16 years. We didn't have laptops 16 years ago. We had this POS that Osborne made that was Z80 powered and weighed in at 40 pounds. They called it &quot;portable&quot; but hardly a laptop.

I'm thinking the closest thing to a laptop was 1989. Right? 11 years? If he said 11 years, I wouldn't be writing this rant.

Hell. If we weren't talking about laptops and just PCs in general, I'd think the guy was full of sh!t if he said 28 years!

This guy had to be lying. 28 years ago is 1972. Intel invented the Microprocessor in 1971. There were no &quot;buyable&quot; PCs in 1972 (Scelbi was in 1974 and Altair was 1975). If he WAS in the industry in 1972, why is he only in a position where today he would be sitting in on an Intel seminar with a bunch of 30-40 year old techs eating ham sandwiches.

Liar, right? ;)
 

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Hahaha. Busted. My friend used to have the commodore 64 portable. :) The keyboard came off the front to reveal the little bitty built-in monitor. That sucker was H E A V Y. :)

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Oh sheesh... The Commodore 64 &quot;portable&quot;. Yeah. Loved that MONSTER.

What were they thinking!?!? That think was &quot;portable&quot; because the monitor and &quot;CPU&quot; were built into the same case.

Hello...... Can you say COMMODORE PET??!?! :)
 

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My first laptop was around 1988 and the thing was a 286-8mhz. I kid you not when I say it weighed about 20lbs. It had a 10&quot; monochrome (blue on gray) screen, dual NiCad batteries, 720K 3.5&quot; floppy, and a 20MB HDD. It was about 12&quot; x 12&quot; x 3&quot;. Its was on the absolute borderline of being considered a laptop.

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toph99

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first 'laptop'/computer we ever had was a 286 toshiba i believe, with an orange on black screen. it had a built in 2800baud modem i belive. i played the ORIGINAL test drive on it, lol ;)
thats also where i developed a hatred for DOS. i was only 10 :p
 

Viper GTS

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Hey, I had one of those C64's. Traded a desktop C64 for it from a local gradeschool when I was like 12. My first computer. I spent many hours gaming &amp; doing basic coding on that machine. I don't remember what eventually happened to it, I think I gave it to the school.

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Daniel

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Hahah the PET, I remember that thing, granted I was in grade school but still.
 

Mday

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lol

jonny has been working on computers since BEFORE paulson was born ;-) now that's experience =P
 

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i agree.... BUSTED! :D the earliest laptop i worked with was an 80x86 and that was heavy! it's about the size od a desktop and you can open it and out comes a keyboard and (2) 5.25 drives and a teeny monitor (orange on black)... that was high tech... yea right...
 

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Seriously though, guys.

Who remembers the actual first LAP TOPS. One that you could put on your LAP without breaking your legs?

I'm thinking GRiD was the first true laptop back in 1989, but I have doubts since even Atari had a palm top back in 1989.

Hmmm.....
 

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Well yes 28 years ago is a fallacy - you should have asked him what they had back then...

Its like saying a person has 15 years in IT - information technology 15 years ago had nothing to do with it's current form.
 

cxim

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I'll bet he is one of the guys that worked in the CIA with me back then. We were all sworn to secrecy about details of things like this, national security &amp; all.

I have some really nice photos of him &amp; me with a laptop back then, of course the CIA blacked out the bodies &amp; the laptop for security reasons.


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Windogg

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I'm pretty sure about the 1988 date for my laptop. It was a Toshiba 1600. The thing was so big it had its own pull out carry handle. My hats off to the engineers that made one that could support the weight.

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AndrewR

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Laptops back in the 80's were the equivalent of people's LAN party systems today -- a big handle on the top of a tower. :D
 

denali

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Well the Apple IIc came out in 1983 or 1984 I think and that was a laptop without built in monitor or battery. But it was small enough and light enough to be on your lap.
 

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Compaq had a line of &quot;lunchbox&quot; portables, not laptops. That was around 1983-84, I believe. My neighbor had one and I tried it. Plug ugly. Weighed about 30 lbs. or so.
 

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<< it was small enough and light enough to be on your lap >>



sigh.....

I'm just not getting through to you guys, am I? :p
 

BA

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I think the defining factor in a laptop would be the ability to run off of a battery...
I've got an old lunch box that I guess is technically portable, but you still gotta plug it in.
 

cxim

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I was around in the 70's. the smallest thing was a Wang ( read cards )&amp; it was not portable. next was like a PDP 5 or 7 ( teltype &amp; punch tape, &amp; later magtape). again nowhere near portable.

IBM's series 70, honeywell's, not even close to a PC. Ibm's did have removable mag disks ( 14 &quot; platters or so, capacity in the K's )

Mid 80's we had IBM &amp; the start of the PC craze. 83 to 85 ish. First worked on an XT in late 84 -85.

Laptops /portables did not come in until you were around JG...