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I've been inspired. Still uncertain though.

Coquito

Diamond Member
With all the talk of crack racks & clusters, plus actually having alot of free time of recent, I feel inspired to try my hand at one. Recently bought a couple setups from one of our members here when the idea hit me, but I think those will be used elsewhere. I've become facinated with putting together pcs & such of late, & this looks like something I can really be proud of when I look back on it.

I'm basically asking for your opinions/advice on what I can get me the best bang for my buck. To start off, there probably won't be many units in the system, I might start off with 3 or 4, & see how it goes from there. I want to try to conserve as much space as possible(because this will be at home), so I've been looking at some cheap rackmount server cases. Most likely 1u size, but if there's a good ratio of size:cost, I'll consider anything. Networking stuff is always available in the forums cheap, so I'll look there. I'll buy some riser cards, if they don't already come with them, but everything after barebones is going as cheap & effective as possible.

For the processors, I was looking along the lines of a mid range athlon(once again, best bang for $). On pricewatch, there's only a $6 difference between a xp1600 & a xp2200. I love pentiums, but I couldn't try this project on their prices. I was thinking about going real basic on this thing, with some celerons or old p3s, but there's not much savings either way, so I'll probably stick with the xps.

For the mbs, I really don't have much of an idea, I usually work with what fits. Uniformity would be great, but finding a good price on a batch of cpus & mbs, will be very difficult.

Ram will probably be generic, though again, if I find a great deal in bulk, I might use something decent.

Small 2-20gig hds I have laying around the house will most likely be used. I'm not sure If I want to, or am able to run all these off of one central hd. A nice possiblilty though.

For an os, I've seen pages listing possibilities, but what works easiest/most efficiant? I think I read somewhere, that windows server 2003 can pull this off, but I don't have connections with anyone who could lend me a license. So probably some freeware will do. I've used windows most of my life, but am not totally lost in something else.

So once again, asking for some input on my situation. People that have been there, I would love to hear from you. Anyone with ideas, thoughts, condolences, etc.; please speak your mind. I haven't gone to bed yet, because these thoughts have been floating around all night. If I'm in way over my head, tell me what I could do to be better prepared before I invest any money/time into this.

Thanks.

More in 04!
 
Right, what you will want is something like the following:

MicroATX nForce2 motherboard
256MB PC2700 or faster DDR
XP1700+ or 2500+
250W PSU for each

Some metal/wooden sticks, about 4-5mm thick, and nice and long (about 3ft long, and about 6 of them oughta do it)
Some plastic tubing, 4-5mm inside diameter (about 20ft of)

Small hard drive for each, and a shared cdrom drive for installing 🙂

Go without cases, you will be fine 🙂


Garry
 
I've had the same idea floating around in my head though, i really wanna try a diskless, or shared disk solution, but im not sure how i would need to setup a network boot like that

And i'll would go with cheaper hardware if i were you, in my setup i was thinking some 1700+ Tbred's (B) overclocked to 166FSB which is 1.83Ghz, probably about a 2400+ and i would probably do this on a KT400 board (to save the green in my wallet) and around 256 DDR 2700 for each computer. Maybe i'll try to find a KT400 with intergrated video, not sure on that one. The parts im gunna buy will probably be identical from newegg, because i dont feel like searching for parts on FS/FT.

EDIT: found this Mobo, i think its perfect, intergrated LAN/Video/audio, supports 166FSB can't get any better than that! (int. LAN should make NIC booting easier) I have an old Giga-Byte board thats totally stable thats y i picked it.
 
Originally posted by: Confused
Right, what you will want is something like the following:

MicroATX nForce2 motherboard
256MB PC2700 or faster DDR
XP1700+ or 2500+
250W PSU for each

Some metal/wooden sticks, about 4-5mm thick, and nice and long (about 3ft long, and about 6 of them oughta do it)
Some plastic tubing, 4-5mm inside diameter (about 20ft of)

Small hard drive for each, and a shared cdrom drive for installing 🙂

Go without cases, you will be fine 🙂Garry

If you would by any chance have pics of that setup, I'd like to see them. As for going caseless, I really wouldn't want to. It gets dusty in the basement. I don't think I would have the room to spread them out like that anyways.

overvolt - I'm not too keen on ocing my systems. If I get lower end parts, I just might up things a tad, but other than that, I don't feel comfortable running things like that.

 
If you've got room to put 1 motherboard down, and enough height, then that's what i'm talkin about 😉

I will see if I can dig up any pics to say what i'm on about, but think of it like a multi-story car park 😉

As for the dust...with cases you'll be blowing the dust into the cases anyway, so really, don't worry 😉


Garry
 
Just had to add a few photos of my rack! 😛

#1 (Oh, and all the slelves are now populated now! 😉

#2

#3

Since then, I've added an XP1900, XP2400, Dual XP1900 and a Celeron 1000. 🙂

Those shown are XP1600's! 🙂...all Newegg refurbs including the boards! 🙂. Power supplies are the 400Watt ones that cost $11.00 on pricewatch. Been running for over 1.5 years! 🙂

(Slaps self for brag time! 😛)
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Just had to add a few photos of my rack! 😛

(Slaps self for brag time! 😛)
Hey, you just gave me an idea for the shelf in my "closet" (the "foot" part of my L-shaped bedroom - it doesn't have any door or divider between the "room" and "closet" parts yet)... once my parents get their junk off of said shelf, and once I get a little more money. 😀

Oh, for netbooting? That entails the use of Linux, as Windows is (nigh unto?) impossible to netboot on a diskless system. There's a form of Knoppix, a CD-image-based Linux distribution, that is good for clustered setups, which you might want to check out. I know there's also a modified versions of Knoppix for Folding@Home, and I'm fairly certain that someone's also put together one for SETI@Home (if you'd rather use a much more reliable CD-ROM for booting, than a crappy, slow, and unreliable floppy).
 
that's a nice setup E, unfortunatley, those very same shelves are all stacked with boxes for all time. My home is very laterally challenged, but all of my furniture is very short, & I could easily just stack something on top of my hutch or beuro.

This is an episode of the ss that i saw a little while back, with the model they had built. I know Mine will never be that neat, pretty or even have a nice shell like theirs, but something that could take up that kind of space, only growing in height when I feel like adding to it.
 
I'm really interested in finding a way to netboot systems, other than that i can get things setup myself.

As for the OC'ing, im addicted to it 😀! Tbred cores are good up to 2.1Ghz, well good ones at least, DDR2700 give me headroom for the 166FSB, and on that mobo at 166mhz fsb the PCI/AGP will all be a stock specs, so the only thing out of spec is the CPU, which a Tbred can handle 1.8Ghz easily, probably at stock voltage.

I can understand how you dont' feel comfortable running things OC'ed but you should give it a try sometime 😛!

Well anyway good luck with your project!
 
Originally posted by: AgaBooga
I haven't read the thread yet, but get motherboards with everything integrated you'll be using, that'll save you money.


yes, yes, as well as some space. Hopefully, if every system added to this isn't exact, at the very least, the boards wil all have everything integrated. finding exact items in bulk is near impossible at a decent price, so I might have to settle on using a bunch of different systems bought as the deals become available.
 
Originally posted by: OverVolt
I'm really interested in finding a way to netboot systems, other than that i can get things setup myself.

ClusterKnoppix
With ClusterKNoppix, you boot 1 machine from CD to act as the server, set all your nodes to boot from network, and you have yourself a cluster 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Spacehead
Here's a bunch of pics of crack racks & farms. Might give you some ideas on how to set things up.

Good luck! 🙂

very nice, mini-stomper & bill taylors look very well kept; some of the others are very messy or a little too big for my home.

Does anyone have something similar to what is on the link I posted? I really want to be able to keep this all in something clean & tight. Some of those are very sore on the eyes. I don't mind paying more for some slim 1u cases, if it'll keep things together & not be a fire hazard.
 
Well i found a $30(+shipping) Codogen m-atx case on neweegg, with 300w PSU! perfect for my use (diskless 1800+'s) Im not sure if they would take up too much room or whatever.

edit: its a pretty small case, and it seems the best way to get, proper cooling/ decent space/ decent looking. heres a linky to the case, they have 2 others for $30 shipped
 
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