I've asked who you thought the best President was, now who do you think the worst is?

Anarchist420

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I say Abraham Lincoln is the worst President of all time. BHO will probably wind up being the 2nd worst, but Lincoln is the first worst president.

He violated the Constitution by using powers reserved only for Congress.

He was a war tyrant.

He had people jailed indefinitely without trial.

His war had more people killed than all other American wars combined.

He started the income tax.

He was a mercantalist.

He hated his own servants (people in the union whom he deemed "traitors".)

He started the centralization of power.

He ended the free-banking era by starting the National Banking Acts and suspended hard money.

He was severely racist because he wanted to deport all of the freed people and send them to places in which they'd get malaria.

Contrary to pop opinion, his reconstruction plan was too harsh on the Confederates.

He violated and ended the dominance of the Compact Theory.

As a result of his actions Jefferson Davis went from President to the pillar box and Robert E Lee was stripped of his citizenship.

His admin was later responsible for the first Federal execution of a female.

He issued the first executive order.

He ordered 38 Sioux hanged.

He was a pussy because he couldn't go on to the battlefield when Jefferson Davis did.

And to top it all off, he's deified (unlike Wilson) and almost all of the good Presidents aren't (even Honest Jefferson isn't deified to the extent Dishonest Abe is). That just makes him even worse in my opinion.
 

Schadenfroh

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I dislike Lincoln, but I question some of your reasons for disliking him.

He was a war tyrant.
He was mild compared to some of the people that worked for him, Sherman for instance was arguably a war criminal. Lincoln was actually a "moderate." Although, he could have prevented some of the things that went on under his watch.

He was severely racist because he wanted to deport all of the freed people and send them to places in which they'd get malaria.
His plan was not to kill freed slaves with malaria by sending them to Africa, just because you set foot in Africa does not mean you will catch malaria...

His admin was later responsible for the first Federal execution of a female.
What was her crime? Why should a woman get treated any differently than a man for a similar crime?

He ordered 38 Sioux hanged.
What was their crime?

He was a pussy because he couldn't go on to the battlefield when Jefferson Davis did.
Not many presidents go onto the battlefield these days.... Bear in mind that Jefferson Davis was the Secretary of Defense of the U.S. prior to The Civil War. Davis was also an American war hero from the Mexican-American war, so he was no stranger to combat, Lincoln was a lawyer. Lincoln knew his limitations and wisely left fighting to the military.
 

kage69

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Lincoln was not a pussy. I recall reading about him visiting the front lines of a few sieges, so the image the OP is trying to paint of Lincoln fearing to venture on the battlefield is incorrect. He was a politician and knew his place, that's a good thing. We don't need American versions of Saddam Hussein who think a position of leadership automatically confers military prowess. This is also the man who as CiC did not travel with a security detachment, and was remarkably calm about having his hat shot from his head once. In his pre-presidential days he was known as a strong man if you can believe it, performing feats of strength and engaging in competition wrestling. In one particular bout, he was said to have subdued a large opponent with a piece of dog doo.
The man lived his early years as a slave and endured severe hardships, how funny is it to hear a some 21st century bong toking keyboard commando call him a pussy? As if judging a leader from a different time through a current day lens isn't funny enough...
 

Anarchist420

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I dislike Lincoln, but I question some of your reasons for disliking him.
Good questions:)

He was mild compared to some of the people that worked for him, Sherman for instance was arguably a war criminal. Lincoln was actually a "moderate." Although, he could have prevented some of the things that went on under his watch.
True.


His plan was not to kill freed slaves with malaria by sending them to Africa, just because you set foot in Africa does not mean you will catch malaria...
No, he once proposed sending them to the diamond mines in panama where everyone there died of malaria.

Read the GOPs Liberian Connection by Thomas J. DiLorenzo for the details.
What was her crime? Why should a woman get treated any differently than a man for a similar crime?
They shouldn't but it goes to show how extreme the state got and executing a woman for being suspected of conspiring to kill a tyrant is a first.

What was their crime?
Being a native American.

Not many presidents go onto the battlefield these days.... Bear in mind that Jefferson Davis was the Secretary of Defense of the U.S. prior to The Civil War. Davis was also an American war hero from the Mexican-American war, so he was no stranger to combat, Lincoln was a lawyer. Lincoln knew his limitations and wisely left fighting to the military.
True.
 

nageov3t

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but really, I'd have to go with Andrew Johnson for deliberate malfeasance with long-reaching consequences.
 

LegendKiller

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So, really, because he was racist you don't like him? Because he was a war tyrant?

Which presidents do you like exactly? For the first reason you can't like any of the ones up until about 40 years ago, since they were all racist to some extent before that.

Then you can't like pretty much any President for the first 40 or so years of the country. Nor any before, during, or after any major war, since they all lead up to, executed, or followed up on war.

Your ideas are juvenile, non-sensical, and hypocritical, just like every other libertopian.
 

ShawnD1

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He was a politician and knew his place, that's a good thing. We don't need American versions of Saddam Hussein who think a position of leadership automatically confers military prowess.
lol. Or Hitler. It's unbelievable how much shit Hitler fucked up. He is largely to blame for Germany losing the entire 4th and 6th armies.


in before someone says Bush
 

bamacre

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Lincoln was responsible for the deaths of more than half a million Americans. Hard to argue he wasn't the worst president.
 

kage69

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lol. Or Hitler. It's unbelievable how much shit Hitler fucked up. He is largely to blame for Germany losing the entire 4th and 6th armies.

Yep, but we should be fair and acknowledge that Hitler's heavy intake of drugs probably played a role there as well. Still, its the reason the Brits abandoned plans of assassinating him. Dictators with grand egos are their own worst enemies.


in before someone says Bush

Worst PINO ever, that's for sure. I feel odd about comparing that one with the likes of Nixon, Hoover, Johnson, Jackson, etc...
 

hal2kilo

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Lincoln was responsible for the deaths of more than half a million Americans. Hard to argue he wasn't the worst president.

So he should of let the secessionist loosers of this country, continue with slavery. As far as I'm concerned Sherman didn't go far enough.
 
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Triumph

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Grant was pretty bad. He didn't know how, or want to, govern, and instead leaned on people he trusted, who in turn took advantage of him and his office.
 

IronWing

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Well Lincoln was a Republican so it just makes sense that he sucked. :hmm:
 

Schadenfroh

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So he should of let the succesionist loosers of this country, continue with slavery. As far as I'm concerned Sherman didn't go far enough.

The Union had slave states and slaves, the Emancipation Proclamation only "freed" slaves in areas not under Union control, and let us not forget Lincoln's primary objective when he invaded the CSA:
My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.
 

JEDIYoda

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Not to sound rude but we really don`t care what you asked......
I thought school started for grammar school age kids.......shouldn`t you be in class??