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BenSkywalker

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"If the Republican Party wasn't so Myopic we'd have that Candidate now with McCain."

For increased taxes,
For increased spending,
for centralization of power,
Anti free speech,
Anti personal responsibility,
Pro regulation,

Joe Lieberman is to the right of McCain looking at the political spectrum, perhaps if he had been the Democratic nominee it would be a good point, but he is nothing but a liberal calling himself a Republican(he can't win on his beliefs in his district).
 

AndrewR

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<< Neither one of these guys is the caliber of Clinton. >>


If that's not the most ringing endorsement for either candidate, I don't know what is!!!

Does anyone else think that Lehrer's eyes look very strange? They have almost no white in them. I think he's an alien of some sort.
 

PG

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How can anyone belive Gore? Bush isn't perfect, but you CANNOT vote for Gore!!!

Gore Was Pro-Life as a Congressman.

&quot;It is my deep personal conviction that abortion is wrong. I hope that some day we will see the current outrageously large number of abortions drop sharply. . . . Let me assure you that I share your belief that innocent human life must be protected . . . In my opinion, it is wrong to spend federal funds for what is arguably the taking of a human life. . . .&quot; (Letter from Rep. Al Gore to a Constituent, 7/18/84) Gore had a high rating from the antiabortion movement (an 84 rating), and a similar letter to a constituent in 1987, can be found in a 1999 biography, ''Gore: A Political Life,'' by former ABC News reporter Bob Zelnick.

VIETNAM

&quot;And I was shot at. . . . I spent most of my time in the field.&quot; (Al Gore, The Washington Post, 2/3/88) &quot;I carried an M-16 . . . I pulled my turn on the perimeter at night and walked through the elephant grass, and I was fired upon.&quot; (Al Gore, Los Angeles Times, 10/15/99) Gore No Longer Mentions Combat Duty on the Campaign Trail. &quot;On the campaign trail today, while he suggests no combat heroics, he nonetheless mentions his service in Vietnam proudly.&quot; Los Angeles Times, 10/15/99)
Gore Had Bodyguards Assigned to Keep Him Out of Harm?s Way in Vietnam. &quot;In Vietnam, Alan Leo, a photographer in the press brigade office where Gore worked as a reporter, said he was summoned by Brig. Gen. K.B. Cooper, the 20th Engineer Brigade?s Commander, and told Leo that he, Cooper, ?had a great amount of respect for the senator.? He asked Leo, the most experienced member of the press unit, to make sure that nothing happened to Gore. ?He requested that &quot;Gore not get into situations that were dangerous,?&quot; said Leo, who did what he could to carry out Cooper?s directive. He described his half-dozen or so trips into the field with Gore as situations where ?I could have worn a tuxedo.?&quot;(Newsweek, 12/6/99)

GORE ON GAS

PAUL EHRLICH'S BOOK, ON GAS PRICES: &quot;The United States could start by gradually imposing a higher gasoline tax-hiking it by one or two cents per month until gasoline costs $2.50 to $3.00 per gallon, comparable to prices in Europe and Japan.&quot; (Paul R. Ehrlich and Anne H. Ehrlich, The Population Explosion, 1990, pp. 219-220) On the dustcover of the book, Gore said, &quot;The time for action is due, and past due. Ehrlich has written the prescription.&quot; &quot;Higher taxes on fossil fuels. . . is one of the logical first steps in changing our policies in a manner consistent with a more responsible approach to the environment.&quot; (Al Gore, Earth in the Balance, 1993, p. 173)

SOVIET CONNECTION

The Gore family was obliged to former Soviet agent, Armand Hammer for their family fortune. See DOSSIER The Secret History of Armand Hammer by Edward Jay Epstein from Random House. According to official Hammer biographer Neil Lyndon writing in London?s Sunday Review, Hammer liked to brag that he had Al Gore, Sr., &quot;in his back pocket&quot; while patting his wallet and chuckling. Hammer also helped to launch Al Gore, Jr., into politics with &quot;prolonged and profound involvement.&quot;

In 1950, Hammer had made Congressman Gore, the father, a partner in a cattle-breeding business, and Gore made a substantial and unwarranted profit from it in a transparent kick-back scheme. Zelnick notes that, while receiving prize Angus stock from Hammer on the one hand, Gore Sr. at the same time auctioned off portions of his herd reportedly at outrageously high prices to lobbyists and others who wanted his attention. Sometimes, according to local accounts, purchasers didn't even bother to pick up the livestock they had bought. The author quotes former Tennessee Gov. Ned McWherter, a staunch Gore ally: &quot;I've sold some Angus in my time, too, but I never got the kind of prices for my cattle that the Gores got for theirs.&quot;
Hammer's largest acquisition was Island Creek Coal, the nation's third-largest coal producer, which Hammer made Albert Gore chairman of.
At five previous inaugurations before Reagan, Hammer had been the guest of Gore's father, Albert Gore, Sr., who now headed Occidental's coal division and earned more than $500,000 a year.
Hammer bought a farm and its mineral rights and then sold it to Al Gore, Sr., in a sweetheart deal (don't try this at home - you WILL go to jail. This is only for professionals). A year later in 1974 Al Gore, Jr., &quot;bought&quot; the farm (this is how he became a slumlord - he jokes that he will be a better steward of the nation's economy than of his own rental property). Hammer paid Junior $20,000 a year for the &quot;mineral rights&quot; (zinc) although no mining was done on the farm until 1985 and, of course, in spite of the fact that Hammer had previously owned the rights free and clear and so had no reason to pay at all. During the 25 years that Gore Jr. has leased the right to mine zinc on his property along the Caney Fork River outside Carthage, Tenn., he has earned more than $450,000. The lease payment of $227 per acre was quite a bit higher than the established Occidental rate of $30 an acre in that area. Occidental never actually mined the property but paid Gore $190,000 altogether before selling the lease, which since has changed hands several times, shifting around the right to pay Gore. Vice President Al Gore still gets the $20,000 a year and is very sensitive about the subject of KGB agent Hammer whom he did numerous favors for.
Most Americans don't know that Occidental tripled its domestic oil reserves overnight because of a historic reinventing-government decision announced by Vice President Gore. Oil companies have been lusting after the Elk Hills Oil Reserve in California for 70 years, but it was not until Bill Clinton and Al Gore that it was opened up, with Occidental the high bidder. This was the largest sale of US assets ever. It had been held as an oil reserve for the Navy since 1912.
Another Gore-Occidental connection is the Love Canal toxic-waste tragedy. Gore, who claimed to have unearthed the scandal, hasn't been forthcoming about ownership of Hooker Chemical Co., the firm that paid millions of dollars in fines for polluting Love Canal. Hooker was a subsidiary of Occidental, purchased by Hammer in 1969. At that time, insider Gore Sr. took advantage of a stock offer, well below market value, and scarfed up thousands of shares of Hooker at $150 per. It could be said that the Gores CREATED Love Canal.
What makes this interesting is that Bill Clinton was a student at the KGB recruiting center of Oxford, stayed with the Communist Party Chairman in Prague, and spent a month in Moscow with no visible means of support. Clinton chose Gore as his Vice President. Hmmmm.

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I didn't come up with this stuff. You can read all this and more here
 

PG

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I want people to read this info about Gore that I stumbled upon.
 

nd

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<< 8. I doubt many minds were changed. I read the exchanges above, which were for the most part pretty good, and I don't think this debate helped the undecideds. Ornery will have to wait for the next debate. >>


You'd be suprised. On CNN (you know, the so-called liberal media outlet), they had a large room (~50 people?) who watched the debate, who were previously UNDECIDED. After the debate, they went around and the majority of the people (I'd guess 80%) they talked to said they're now voting for Bush because of what they saw. I was just amazed watching the news shows after the debate all saying Bush unquestionably won. This isn't because I doubt he did, but just because I wouldn't expect them to come out and say it.

 

nd

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<< << Bush isn't perfect, but you CANNOT vote for Gore >>

Good Job PG. You are the Matt Drudge of Anandtech!
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Err, I don't understand. That would seem to be a compliment in my POV, but if I recall correctly you are anti-bush, Red Dawn.
 

PG

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Red Dawn,

You are correct in that we need more choices, but with our electoral college it isn't really possible. It would be nice to see the electoral college done away with and have the election decided by popular vote. And we need to get rid of the part where you need a majority of the votes to win. Then multiple people could run and actually have somewhat of a chance. Of course, the 2 parties now have so much power and money it's hard to run against them.
 

nd

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<< A compliment to Drudge or PG? >>



To PG..

BTW, while Drudge obviously hates Gore (and with VERY good reason in my opinion, anyone who reads his site is well aware of all the Goreisms), he once mentioned on FOX news that he wanted Gore to win :Q (alluding that it would make his job easier in breaking scandals)
 

Raspewtin

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<< Also, with Bush in the White House the overall average IQ of Texas per capita will go up at least 10% >>




And Texas may actually finally have decent health care w/ Bush in Washington.
 

nd

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<< Matt Drudges 15 minutes of fames is about up and that was 14 minutes and 55 seconds too long >>


That's why his just recently released book was essentially an overnight success/bestseller, right? :)

 

JellyBaby

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<< That's why his just recently released book was essentially an overnight success/bestseller, right? >>

One thing is certain: many americans are hungry for news stories that aren't on NBC, ABC, CBS and CNN.
 

MrChicken

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<On the brighter side, if Bush wins, just think of all the humor we'll be able to enjoy at his expense. It's not often Comedians have such a wealth of material due to inept individual being in a position he's so unsuited for. Also, with Bush in the White House the overall average IQ of Texas per capita will go up at least 10%. Instead of ranking dead last they'd nudge ahead of West Virginia. Truthfully, I do think that Dick Cheney would be a much better leader than Al Gore. The odds of Bush incompaciting himself while shaving is much higher than you'd expect>

Ill task you again Red, If you think Bush is such an idiot, prove to us how much smarter you are. Get your name on the ballot and get more votes than he does. Better yet, if you make the ballot, you can then debate him and put the question to rest for good.

You do yourself a disservice by this constantly attacking his intelligence.

Stick to the intelligent discussion that I have seen that you are capable of. You're not happy with his policies or looks, that's fine. But if think a true idiot could ever run for president and have a real chance at winning, you are mistaken.

As much as I dislike Gore, I wouldnt question his intellect.