It's really tough to get a high school diploma in Texas

[heavyiron8]

So that's what, like, 0.00005x of the population then, right? That's not too bad.


:hmm:

Wow good job cherry picking... or maybe you're just narrow minded?

Silicon Valley is a symbol of latest technological advancements. It is what matters most.

I used Silicon valley as a simple example, almost all tech industries have a huge chunk of employees that are foreign born. This includes NASA, petroleum service companies, microsoft, google... etc.

The graduate program for computer science and double E department in my University is almost 70% foreign born... that tells you a lot about the education system in this country.. its a piece of shit.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

The graduate program for computer science and double E department in my University is almost 70% foreign born... that tells you a lot about the education system in this country.. its a piece of shit.

I'm going to assume you mean that K-12 education is a piece of shit, since it defies logic that 70% of your University students are foreign-born and coming here to get a shitty education.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Don't care. If I saw someone put UoP on their resume, I'd call them in for an interview then laugh in their face and ask them if they are retarded.

F UoP. Don't know what the story is today, but they were a diploma mill not too long ago.

I am taking classes at UoP...

I think the truth is that the education falls somewhere between a b&m, real university and a diploma mill. That is, they are a for profit company. For that reason they do want you to pass and continue on to the next class so they can make more money. I have seen some really, really dumb posts in the class forum, posts that make me wonder how this person is in 'college'.

The lower level classes are easy, almost silly easy. But, I'm finding as I get to the higher level classes the instructors do grade more strictly. More is expected as far as content goes.

UoP, and schools like it, are fantastic for working adults who already have the knowledge and experience, who need to go through the motions to get a degree. I do not feel that I am gaining a lot of knowledge, but there is a good amount of work to do to get a good grade as you get to higher level classes. As someone who is involved in the hiring process, I can appreciate the fact that a candidate set a long term goal that isn't always easy, and achieved it. That's what a degree is often, it doesn't have to be about a huge amount of knowledge gained (though learning is obviously part of it), but about the fact that this person set goals and achieved them.

Anyway, UoP and schools like it can be a good choice for certain situations. But if I was fresh out of high school I would certainly take a b&m university over it.

 

[heavyiron8]

I'm going to assume you mean that K-12 education is a piece of shit, since it defies logic that 70% of your University students are foreign-born and coming here to get a shitty education.

Right..

Its honestly the overall culture of this entire nation. The emphasis on education is not very high. A lot of parents would rather have their kid be really good at sports than excel academically...

 

[Bateluer]

It's pretty easy to tell which ones are fake. Real schools or real school programs don't advertise.

Real schools advertise bullshit programs like woman studies or whatever. Have you ever seen a TV commercial or radio commercial for electrical engineering? How about mechanical engineering? How about med school? Does Yale advertise?

Uh, 'real' schools advertise just as much as the diploma/degree mills. Embry Riddle, aeronautical engineering school, advertises pretty frequently. Most State Universities run ads all the time as well.

 

[CrackRabbit]

In California, the GED testing runs somewhere between $150 and $200.

Y'know Doc, there's a story about the janitor in NYC who had to have brain surgery.
Once they got him on the operating table, the surgeon decided that it would be easier if he removed the brain and worked on it at his work bench.
While he was working, the patient got off the table and walked away.
He disappeared without a trace for about 6 months...then he finally surfaced.
He was teaching high school in Texas...

Hey, I think I know that guy!
He was one of the history teachers in high school.

Seriously the guy I had for sophomore history was awful. If I hadn't been interested in history myself I would have learned nothing that year.
Thankfully my Jr and Sr. years I had an awesome history teacher.

 

[shortylickens]

Right..

Its honestly the overall culture of this entire nation. The emphasis on education is not very high. A lot of parents would rather have their kid be really good at sports than excel academically...

No theres a fuckload of parents pushing their kids into college.
The problem is the parents are dumb too. They dont encourage good study habits or taking better courses in the K-12 range because they know they kids will just get pushed through and handed a diploma anyway.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

Well, it'd be interesting if a 4 year didn't require SAT/ACT's from a CC. And they were accredited. Then you could just skip high school altogether, or just keep taking SATs until you got a semi-decent score (assuming the parents were decent at home schooling). Would be cool to graduate college at age 16.

They don't, at least not here in California.

You can "skip" high school. I don't know how anyone would manage to graduate from a 4 year school at 16, but they can start college at that age. I came across a 15 year old at CC who later transferred to Harvey Mud. There is a poster here who started college at a young age too.

Even if SAT/ACT scores were required, there is no reason someone can't take them and do well on them 2-4 years before everyone else. The other guys doing it 2-4 years later are going through the horrible K-12 system, I don't see any advantage.

 

[Wreckem]

In almost every state if you transfer from a JuCO to a public Universtiy, if you have a certain number of hours transferring you do not have to have ACT or SAT scores. Typically it is 15 or 30 hours.

 

[Wreckem]

Don't care. If I saw someone put UoP on their resume, I'd call them in for an interview then laugh in their face and ask them if they are retarded.

F UoP. Don't know what the story is today, but they were a diploma mill not too long ago.

They do produce a lot of Nurse Practitioners and EdDs(school administrators).

 

[Wreckem]

texas has 1 big application that is used to apply to a lot of schools, you are supposed to put what you've done, including whether you've graduated from high school or have a GED. and 4 year schools are going to want SAT and ACT scores from a CC transfer.

and yes, i suppose that if everything is done with distance learning and no in person testing happens, everyone could just cheat. but that's an issue with all distance learning.

States schools(atleast in Texas and California) do not use SAT/ACT scores for CC/JuCO transfers.

The majority of CC to University transfers admissions are based almost solely on the grades you make at the CC/JuCo.

 

[heavyiron8]

No theres a fuckload of parents pushing their kids into college.
The problem is the parents are dumb too. They dont encourage good study habits or taking better courses in the K-12 range because they know they kids will just get pushed through and handed a diploma anyway.

Uhhh... the last time I checked, you don't get to pick which courses you take in K-12. At least I couldn't. And just cause they're pushing their kids into college doesn't mean they think education is as important as it actually is.

 

[ElFenix]

States schools(atleast in Texas and California) do not use SAT/ACT scores for CC/JuCO transfers.

The majority of CC to University transfers admissions are based almost solely on the grades you make at the CC/JuCo.

:hmm:

well at least those would mostly be legit

 

[amdhunter]

what school did you go to?

the thought of you having anything to do with the hiring process and to criticize their education is very frighting.

Dropped out in High School. Best decision I ever made. I make more money than any 4, 8, 16 or 24 year college student could ever imagine because I joined the workforce at 14.

 

[prism]

Dropped out in High School. Best decision I ever made. I make more money than any 4, 8, 16 or 24 year college student could ever imagine because I joined the workforce at 14.

Good for you, seriously, not sarcastically, but you have to realize that this wouldn't be the case for the vast majority of current-day high school dropouts.

Also, people need to realize that universities have different colleges within them, i.e. UoP has a college of nursing, college of business, etc. Each of these seek accreditation from completely different accrediting bodies, so it's natural for any for-profit, private or public university to have certain colleges within them that are more highly regarded than their other colleges.

 

[shortylickens]

Uhhh... the last time I checked, you don't get to pick which courses you take in K-12. At least I couldn't. And just cause they're pushing their kids into college doesn't mean they think education is as important as it actually is.

You must be in one of those states with crummy public education. In minnesota you can be in a basic or advanced math from 1-6. If parents help their kids out they can get a leg up even then.
In junior high you can pick many of your classes and if you did well in 6th grade math you will have a huge boost. You can be learning a lot faster than many other students.

In senior high you pick most of your classes and can take college level courses in some things (math, most sciences, some english) and thereby save yourself some money and time when you do go to college.

 

[Oil]

Edit: wrong thread

 

[heavyiron8]

You must be in one of those states with crummy public education. In minnesota you can be in a basic or advanced math from 1-6. If parents help their kids out they can get a leg up even then.
In junior high you can pick many of your classes and if you did well in 6th grade math you will have a huge boost. You can be learning a lot faster than many other students.

In senior high you pick most of your classes and can take college level courses in some things (math, most sciences, some english) and thereby save yourself some money and time when you do go to college.

We had that. It was called AP exams. Don't get me wrong, I worked my ass off in high school (it was a pretty competitive school as well).

My point is, its pretty annoying when people complain about well paying companies outsourcing jobs to other countries when kids in college doesn't know how to multiply decimals and when you can buy a sheet of paper that says you passed for 200 bucks.

 

[OutHouse]

They don't, at least not here in California.

You can "skip" high school. I don't know how anyone would manage to graduate from a 4 year school at 16, but they can start college at that age. I came across a 15 year old at CC who later transferred to Harvey Mud. There is a poster here who started college at a young age too.

Even if SAT/ACT scores were required, there is no reason someone can't take them and do well on them 2-4 years before everyone else. The other guys doing it 2-4 years later are going through the horrible K-12 system, I don't see any advantage.

My kids high school offers CC classes in place of high school classes. My 15 year old daughter is classified gifted and is the only freshman enrolled in the program. When she graduates high school she will have almost 60 credit hours of college.

 

[Jadow]

It's pretty easy to tell which ones are fake. Real schools or real school programs don't advertise.

I guess there's no real schools in the big 10, sec, pac 10, big 12, or acc

 

[SP33Demon]

States schools(atleast in Texas and California) do not use SAT/ACT scores for CC/JuCO transfers.

The majority of CC to University transfers admissions are based almost solely on the grades you make at the CC/JuCo.

Yep, so in this case my 10yr old-->CC and graduating with an accredited University degree by 16 would work in Texas and CA, assuming what you say is true.

 

[shortylickens]

We had that. It was called AP exams. Don't get me wrong, I worked my ass off in high school (it was a pretty competitive school as well).

My point is, its pretty annoying when people complain about well paying companies outsourcing jobs to other countries when kids in college doesn't know how to multiply decimals and when you can buy a sheet of paper that says you passed for 200 bucks.

I'm not talking about AP exams. I'm talking about AP classes. You go to high school, go the AP class. Get college credits.

And I agree it sucks that we lose good jobs to other countries while our lazy spoiled kids screw around in high school and automatically pass, then go to college and screw around. Sad thing is in some colleges they can put in the bare minimum and still get a degree.

They dont understand they arent just hurting themselves. Companies hire and fire thousands of people at a time and move whole operations around the globe just to get the best employees. If America doesnt look good no one will move here or start new businesses.

 

[ElFenix]

I am taking classes at UoP...

I think the truth is that the education falls somewhere between a b&m, real university and a diploma mill. That is, they are a for profit company. For that reason they do want you to pass and continue on to the next class so they can make more money. I have seen some really, really dumb posts in the class forum, posts that make me wonder how this person is in 'college'.

The lower level classes are easy, almost silly easy. But, I'm finding as I get to the higher level classes the instructors do grade more strictly. More is expected as far as content goes.

UoP, and schools like it, are fantastic for working adults who already have the knowledge and experience, who need to go through the motions to get a degree. I do not feel that I am gaining a lot of knowledge, but there is a good amount of work to do to get a good grade as you get to higher level classes. As someone who is involved in the hiring process, I can appreciate the fact that a candidate set a long term goal that isn't always easy, and achieved it. That's what a degree is often, it doesn't have to be about a huge amount of knowledge gained (though learning is obviously part of it), but about the fact that this person set goals and achieved them.

Anyway, UoP and schools like it can be a good choice for certain situations. But if I was fresh out of high school I would certainly take a b&m university over it.

how do you feel about UoP vs. CC? i know CCs don't do 4 year degrees but i can't see spending what UoP wants for tuition if there is a CC course available. UoP may be more flexible, i assume.

I'm not talking about AP exams. I'm talking about AP classes. You go to high school, go the AP class. Get college credits.

i had to take the exam to get college credit.

 

[DominionSeraph]

I tutored a pre-calculus college student last year, he said he was from a small town in Louisiana and was terrible at math. I remember at some point, I was stunned when he told me .05 x 1000 = .00005 and not 50. I thought he was trolling me till I saw he was actually serious.

He at least knew enough to move the decimal point three places. If he was running on mnemonics he might've just gotten mixed up. I know I use "a fraction of a fraction will yield a smaller fraction than either," as a check. If he incorporated something similar but used it as his main program while never having really firmed up the details, going the wrong way would be an easy mistake to make.

 

[heavyiron8]

I'm not talking about AP exams. I'm talking about AP classes. You go to high school, go the AP class. Get college credits.

And I agree it sucks that we lose good jobs to other countries while our lazy spoiled kids screw around in high school and automatically pass, then go to college and screw around. Sad thing is in some colleges they can put in the bare minimum and still get a degree.

They dont understand they arent just hurting themselves. Companies hire and fire thousands of people at a time and move whole operations around the globe just to get the best employees. If America doesnt look good no one will move here or start new businesses.

Yea... in my school most people that wanted to take AP exams, took AP classes, so I assumed you knew what I meant. And you don't get college credits by taking AP classes, you get them from taking the exams.

Its only fair.. if you don't wanna work hard and learn, and just want a sheet of paper saying you passed, then obviously other people from other countries should come and further the technological advancements of this country. I would say its a good thing, the H1B is saving America from the mindless dumbfucks that's been pumped out of the K-12 education system annually.

He at least knew enough to move the decimal point three places. If he was running on mnemonics he might've just gotten mixed up. I know I use "a fraction of a fraction will yield a smaller fraction than either," as a check. If he incorporated something similar but used it as his main program while never having really firmed up the details, going the wrong way would be an easy mistake to make.

They need to tell the k-12 teachers to stop using mnemonics to teach mathematics, it is the dumbest way for a kid to learn math. Math is all about concepts.. its not like history where you can memorize everything.