It's painful to watch John McCain destroy a lifetime of credibility.

[techs]

I am literally sad. Maybe my view of McCain before this campaign was somewhat romantic. I remember a line from a movie, "I need heroes, as big as I can find them"
He had a heroic life. He actually spoke out for his convictions in a political party that not only discouraged it but punished it.
He was dishonorably slandered in 2000 by Bush. Yet, he handled it graciously.
In 2008 he was the comeback kid, resurrecting his campaign and finally getting the nomination he so long desired.
Since then it has just been sad to watch him.
I don't hate him, I pity him.
Anyone else truly disappointed and saddened?

 

[Jschmuck2]

+1

 

[ProfJohn]

You don't seem to understand that the second McCain started running against Democrats he was doomed to having his reputation destroyed.

As long as he was running against Republicans as a 'maverick' the media loved him. But the second he started acting as a Democrats the media turned against him.

Look at Liberman, 8 years ago he was the Dem VP candidate, today he is an outcast.

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You don't seem to understand that the second McCain started running against Democrats he was doomed to having his reputation destroyed.

As long as he was running against Republicans as a 'maverick' the media loved him. But the second he started acting as a Democrats the media turned against him.

Look at Liberman, 8 years ago he was the Dem VP candidate, today he is an outcast.

His downfall started when going for the nomintion for 2008 he went back and sucked up to Jerry Fallwell. In 2000 he acurately labelled him as an agent of intolerance.

 

[nageov3t]

keeping up with your posts is exhausting... http://www.loki-online.net/images/atp_t.jpg

 

[ProfJohn]

He has 8000 posts and 6000 of them are as the OP.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: techs

Anyone else truly disappointed and saddened?

Nope. I lost all respect for him eight years ago when he was running against the Bush in 2000. After Karl Rove and the same Bushwhacko smear machine robo-phoned and spammed lies that he had fathered an illegitimate African-American daughter, I saw him stand on that stage behind Bush and endorse his candidacy for President.

McCain didn't have to commit political suicide by backing Gore. All he had to do to keep his honor was to stand silent... but he didn't. He caved and pimped the party line.

Now, in his desperate last grasp at the Presidency, he's using the same Rove smear machine to run the same kinds of shoddy smear tactics he once decried. He hasn't had any honor to lose since then.

John McCain couldn't keep his Double Talk Express on track if it had training wheels. He is truly John McSHAME. :thumbsdown:

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: HomerJS

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You don't seem to understand that the second McCain started running against Democrats he was doomed to having his reputation destroyed.

As long as he was running against Republicans as a 'maverick' the media loved him. But the second he started acting as a Democrats the media turned against him.

Look at Liberman, 8 years ago he was the Dem VP candidate, today he is an outcast.

His downfall started when going for the nomintion for 2008 he went back and sucked up to Jerry Fallwell. In 2000 he acurately labelled him as an agent of intolerance.

As a former McCain supporter, I can say that this was the beginning of the end of my support for him. At least I am not alone in that regard. I was flabberghasted.

 

[Farang]

Current check: 22.2% of first page threads are techs

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You don't seem to understand that the second McCain started running against Democrats he was doomed to having his reputation destroyed.

As long as he was running against Republicans as a 'maverick' the media loved him. But the second he started acting as a Democrats the media turned against him.

Look at Liberman, 8 years ago he was the Dem VP candidate, today he is an outcast.

PJ, you are the one who misunderstands. Noone has slandered McCain at all. McCain is destroying his own credibility and his so-called reaching across party lines by wallowing in the worst of negative campaigning. And negative campaigning on issues that are sidelights at best, when the country is in the midst of a true economy meltdown. The time came for him to step up to the plate, and rather than even acting presidential he went all a-twitter, saying this at 10:00am and the exact opposite later the same day, calling off his campaign to photo-op among the legislators doing the heavy lifting, and coming out with soundbit programs of the day-things that sound good in one or two sentences, but are meaningless or counterproductive.

I admit I probably would never have voted for McCain this election cycle. But I too am distressed at how he trashed himself rather than sticking to his principles. I liked the old McCain-the straight talker who stood up to the religious taliban, for example, a whole lot better than this two-bit conventional pol.

 

[SagaLore]

Yea. When he won the primaries, I thought it was great. When he nominated Palin, I was even more happy.

Then I started watching those two.

Now I'm sad for the republican party.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You don't seem to understand that the second McCain started running against Democrats he was doomed to having his reputation destroyed.

As long as he was running against Republicans as a 'maverick' the media loved him. But the second he started acting as a Democrats the media turned against him.

Look at Liberman, 8 years ago he was the Dem VP candidate, today he is an outcast.

Guys, didn't you hear? The make believe librul media made McCain run ads accusing Obama of teaching sex to kindergarteners. So really, if McCain destroyed his reputation by running an incredibly sleazy campaign, it's all because the media made him. Oh, and Obama's partly to blame too for not doing those town hall debates. I mean after Obama refused them, McCain was honor bound to unabashedly smear him.

I knew the libruls were behind it, I just never knew how!

 

[Bitek]

I was rooting for Obama and McCain in the primaries, figuring if they both won, Nov 4 would be a win either way.
I was pretty disgusted how McCain sucked up to Falwell after 2000, but I was willing to overlook that as politically necc, as some of Obama's actions have been (wiretapping for instance...)
But..its all the $hit that's come after, the way he's decided to run his campaign. He went for the Bush election base strategy and appointed the same men to run it.

I can't believe he let himself be led down such a destructive path, and even now is unwillingness to back off the extremism displayed in his campaign and rallies. Its just sad. He is letting them pull him down with them. He now just looks like a man in no control of the machinery about him. Frightening really if he got into the WH.

What a long and hard fall. May he come to his senses in the last few weeks and at least go out with some remnants of honor and dignity.

 

[DrPizza]

I haven't read too much about his life, but "He had a heroic life" - could someone explain? From what I could gather of his past, he should have been thrown out of the academy; was only there because of his father and grandfather. Would have been thrown out anyway if not for a lot of people intervening for him, was a womanizer, crashed a couple of times (which would have caused anyone else to have lost their wings), was aboard the Forrestal & involved (not his fault at all) in an accident that claimed over 100 of his shipmates lives, left the ship before those bodies were even recovered, apparently decided to do something so that his life wasn't a complete fuck-up - got shot down in the process, was tortured like all the other prisoners, was offered early release under special terms (like the other prisoners), but refused those terms (which would have led to a court-marshal), eventually was returned to the U.S., did a bit more womanizing while married - his wife had been in an accident while he was a prisoner, found a very rich woman to replace his wife with; had a marriage license for the new wife before his divorce was even final. Parlayed the rich wife's fortune into a successful political career.

Someone want to fill in the gaps that makes him special or "a hero"?

edit: I didn't mean for this to sound like a trolling post. I recognize that a lot of people look up to McCain as a respectable person. And perhaps he's been very respectable during his political career. In all sincerity, I really mean it when I request information on what makes him such a wonderful person.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

You don't seem to understand that the second McCain started running against Democrats he was doomed to having his reputation destroyed.

Ah-HAH! There's the explanation. The REAL John McCain isn't the lying jackass currently running for President. It's the SECOND John McCain.

Too bad, the REAL John McCain, the hero POW from the Hanoi Hilton is no longer around, and we're stuck watching his evil doppleganger, the SECOND John McCain, piss on the REAL John McCain's faded reputation. :laugh:

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You don't seem to understand that the second McCain started running against Democrats he was doomed to having his reputation destroyed.

As long as he was running against Republicans as a 'maverick' the media loved him. But the second he started acting as a Democrats the media turned against him.

Look at Liberman, 8 years ago he was the Dem VP candidate, today he is an outcast.

Guys, didn't you hear? The make believe librul media made McCain run ads accusing Obama of teaching sex to kindergarteners. So really, if McCain destroyed his reputation by running an incredibly sleazy campaign, it's all because the media made him. Oh, and Obama's partly to blame too for not doing those town hall debates. I mean after Obama refused them, McCain was honor bound to unabashedly smear him.

I knew the libruls were behind it, I just never knew how!

The sad part is I think PJ really believes it. Today's Republican party is a perverse caricature of its former self. It is no longer about conservatism and traditional American values. Instead, its focus is blame and outrage and self-pity. They prattle about accountability, yet problems are always someone else's fault, never the result of their own actions. They have most of the power and money, yet they are somehow always the oppressed victim. In many ways, McCain's self-destruction is a symptom of the disintegration of the GOP due to its own rot from within.

I'm with the OP. It's really sad to see how McCain has fallen. I supported him in 2000, but will never support him again. ProJo's delusions notwithstanding, this is due solely to McCain's deplorable actions and decisions over the last few months. It has nothing to do with anything said or done by Obama or the "librul" (/snicker) media. McCain simply wants the presidency too badly, and sold out almost everything he once stood for to try to get it.

 

[Moonbeam]

John McCain is who he has always been, a shallow meat-head who blows with the wind. He is nothing but a pose and a posture and has no substance.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
John McCain is who he has always been, a shallow meat-head who blows with the wind. He is nothing but a pose and a posture and has no substance.

I think he had substance, but senility is slowly stripping it away. I think he's reverting back to an angrier version of himself.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
I haven't read too much about his life, but "He had a heroic life" - could someone explain? From what I could gather of his past, he should have been thrown out of the academy; was only there because of his father and grandfather. Would have been thrown out anyway if not for a lot of people intervening for him, was a womanizer, crashed a couple of times (which would have caused anyone else to have lost their wings), was aboard the Forrestal & involved (not his fault at all) in an accident that claimed over 100 of his shipmates lives, left the ship before those bodies were even recovered, apparently decided to do something so that his life wasn't a complete fuck-up - got shot down in the process, was tortured like all the other prisoners, was offered early release under special terms (like the other prisoners), but refused those terms (which would have led to a court-marshal), eventually was returned to the U.S., did a bit more womanizing while married - his wife had been in an accident while he was a prisoner, found a very rich woman to replace his wife with; had a marriage license for the new wife before his divorce was even final. Parlayed the rich wife's fortune into a successful political career.

Someone want to fill in the gaps that makes him special or "a hero"?

edit: I didn't mean for this to sound like a trolling post. I recognize that a lot of people look up to McCain as a respectable person. And perhaps he's been very respectable during his political career. In all sincerity, I really mean it when I request information on what makes him such a wonderful person.

This.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You don't seem to understand that the second McCain started running against Democrats he was doomed to having his reputation destroyed.

As long as he was running against Republicans as a 'maverick' the media loved him. But the second he started acting as a Democrats the media turned against him.

Look at Liberman, 8 years ago he was the Dem VP candidate, today he is an outcast.

Guys, didn't you hear? The make believe librul media made McCain run ads accusing Obama of teaching sex to kindergarteners. So really, if McCain destroyed his reputation by running an incredibly sleazy campaign, it's all because the media made him. Oh, and Obama's partly to blame too for not doing those town hall debates. I mean after Obama refused them, McCain was honor bound to unabashedly smear him.

I knew the libruls were behind it, I just never knew how!

The sad part is I think PJ really believes it. Today's Republican party is a perverse caricature of its former self. It is no longer about conservatism and traditional American values. Instead, its focus is blame and outrage and self-pity. They prattle about accountability, yet problems are always someone else's fault, never the result of their own actions. They have most of the power and money, yet they are somehow always the oppressed victim. In many ways, McCain's self-destruction is a symptom of the disintegration of the GOP due to its own rot from within.

I'm with the OP. It's really sad to see how McCain has fallen. I supported him in 2000, but will never support him again. ProJo's delusions notwithstanding, this is due solely to McCain's deplorable actions and decisions over the last few months. It has nothing to do with anything said or done by Obama or the "librul" (/snicker) media. McCain simply wants the presidency too badly, and sold out almost everything he once stood for to try to get it.

Exactly. There seems to be zero personal responsibility within the Party anymore. And everytime I see Rick Davis, McCain's campaign manager, I just want to punch him cause he looks like a big baby.

 

[Stuxnet]

Techs is a drive-by OP. Most of the time he shits out a thread, he just abandons it. I'd say he was just trying to up his postcount, but he could do that a little more under the radar.

I have no idea what his complex is.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: techs
I am literally sad. Maybe my view of McCain before this campaign was somewhat romantic. I remember a line from a movie, "I need heroes, as big as I can find them"
He had a heroic life. He actually spoke out for his convictions in a political party that not only discouraged it but punished it.
He was dishonorably slandered in 2000 by Bush. Yet, he handled it graciously.
In 2008 he was the comeback kid, resurrecting his campaign and finally getting the nomination he so long desired.
Since then it has just been sad to watch him.
I don't hate him, I pity him.
Anyone else truly disappointed and saddened?

Yes, I loved the man. He has so much potential, but he sold himself to a disgusting party.

 

[DrewSG3]

I agree, but I'm still voting for Hussein.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Farang
Current check: 22.2% of first page threads are techs

It would be interesting to see a weekly, monthly, yearly top ten list.

 

[rpanic]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: techs
I am literally sad. Maybe my view of McCain before this campaign was somewhat romantic. I remember a line from a movie, "I need heroes, as big as I can find them"
He had a heroic life. He actually spoke out for his convictions in a political party that not only discouraged it but punished it.
He was dishonorably slandered in 2000 by Bush. Yet, he handled it graciously.
In 2008 he was the comeback kid, resurrecting his campaign and finally getting the nomination he so long desired.
Since then it has just been sad to watch him.
I don't hate him, I pity him.
Anyone else truly disappointed and saddened?

Yes, I loved the man. He has so much potential, but he sold himself to a disgusting party.

Same here, I really liked him in 2000, even after he became a Bush cheerleader I hoped that he would go back to being the same man that ran in 2000. McCain is different now, after he picked Palin and the way his campaign has been ran I could not vote for the guy. If I thought the vote would be close in CA I would vote for Obama instead of 3rd party at this point even though I don?t like him and think he is full of BS (hope I am wrong).