It's Official! Obama IS The Most Polarizing President!

PJABBER

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One thing that constantly amazes me is the pure hypocrisy of those who claim that they are open to compromise and fence-mending, yet show rabid partisanship at every opportunity.

This hypocrisy, along with rabid partisanship, just happen to be the singular characteristics of our President and those Democrats who lead the Congress.

While lecturing to one and all with their call for civility, their actions reflect the exact opposite.

In fact, Gallup has just released a poll which confirms that President Obama has another first to his name - the most polarizing President in the history of their polling.

Judge men not by their words but by their actions.

Obama the Polarizer

Jay Cost
RealClearPolitics
May 11, 2010

In January, 2007 Barack Obama declared his candidacy for the presidency with these words:
It's not the magnitude of our problems that concerns me the most. It's the smallness of our politics. America's faced big problems before. But today, our leaders in Washington seem incapable of working together in a practical, common sense way. Politics has become so bitter and partisan, so gummed up by money and influence, that we can't tackle the big problems that demand solutions. And that's what we have to change first. We have to change our politics, and come together around our common interests and concerns as Americans.​
Today, Gallup reports:
(Obama's) first-year ratings were the most polarized for a president in Gallup history, with an average 65-point gap between Republicans and Democrats. Obama's approval ratings have become slightly more polarized thus far in his second year in office, with an average 69-point gap between Democrats (83%) and Republicans (14%) since late January.​
This is a big deal. The first quote is the principal reason Barack Obama ran for President. At a minimum, it was his first public argument for why he thought the country should elect him, as opposed to the dozen or so other candidates who would enter the race. It remained a critically important idea throughout his candidacy.

Remember, the Obama campaign was an "audacious" act of line-jumping within the Democratic Party. His justification was that the country couldn't afford to keep playing the same old political games. The hook of his candidacy was: America, do you really want to do Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton?

Yet here we are, breaking records for polarization. How did that happen? Why has Obama failed to do what he promised?

I think there are two big reasons.

First, Obama's implicit claim throughout his candidacy was that public divisiveness was somehow a failure of leadership. This was mostly nonsense. This country has been divided over cultural issues since at least 1973 and Roe v. Wade. It has been divided on fiscal issues since Reagan cut taxes in 1981; this ended the hidden tax of bracket creep, but meant that legislators had to make hard choices between more spending and lower taxes. It has been divided on foreign policy issues since the Bush Administration's response to 9/11.

These are all real things. They are not rhetorical wrinkles that a Jon Favreau speech can iron out. Obama's choices have mostly been liberal (with the notable exceptions of dealing with Iraq and Afghanistan). His speechwriters have endeavored to present his choices as win-wins, but their words have failed to persuade because the President's choices are rarely in fact win-wins. They usually favor one worldview or set of interests over others. Favor one side enough times and the losers will start to see what's going on, "eloquent" speeches aside.

Second, insofar as leadership could bridge the many divides in this country, this President has never been in a good position to exercise it. He owes too much to others. You don't win a nomination battle like the Clinton-Obama smackdown without making a bunch of promises. Remember that neither Clinton nor Obama secured enough delegates through the primaries and caucuses; Obama needed the superdelegates, chief among them being Speaker Nancy Pelosi (easily the most powerful Democrat in the country prior to the President's inauguration). There is a long line of constituent groups in the Democratic Party who certainly needed assurances about what an Obama presidency would look like. So long as reelection remains to be secured, these groups at least have to be monitored if not placated. And so, in a time of great divisiveness, the people with the closest connection to the 44th President are consistently on one side of the aisle. The left side.

This feature of the Obama presidency came through most clearly on health care. Obama talked a good game about bipartisan compromise, but at no point did I get the impression that he was willing to ditch a guy like George Miller (a far left liberal in the House) to pick up a moderate Republican like Delaware's Mike Castle. Indeed, George Miller was one of the key authors of the health care bill in the House! There's no practical way you can get George Miller and Mike Castle to work together on a comprehensive overhaul of the American health care system. They are just too far apart ideologically. So, the question is: whose vote do you value more? Obama's answer has been crystal clear in his deeds, if not his words.

Of course, presidents have to tend to their party coalitions. That's the way its been since the 1790s; John Adams did a lousy job of dealing with the arch-Federalists, and Alexander Hamilton eventually stabbed him in the back. Ever since then, the role of the President as manager of his party has been pretty straightforward. It's hard to begrudge Obama for trying to manage his party. What's more, politicians hate to assign losers, so they try to convince us that everybody's a winner. It's predictable that Obama would try his hand at this as well. Sure, he promised during the campaign that he'd talk clearly about the hard choices - but anybody who believed that, at least after he ditched public financing of his campaign for nakedly political purposes, was simply looking for a reason to vote for him.

But why won't he simply own his polarizing presidency? He made the choices he has made, and the consequences have been predictable, so he should own them. But no. As far as he's concerned, he is the bipartisan bridge builder he promised to be. It's those damned lying liars on the other side who have distorted his record!

As Matt Welch noted over at Reason, he's "working the refs."
[Obama's] message...is clear, clever, and wrong. The boom in opinionated, interconnected media is a challenge to our very democracy (it isn't). News needs to be hermetically sealed from opinion (it doesn't). The primary purpose of media consumption should be empowerment (if there was a primary purpose for media consumption, I sure as hell wouldn't trust a president to identify it). And the most dangerous purveyor of untruths is the 24/7 echo chamber...

While hypocritical (given the president's own slippery relationship with the truth) this critique is strategically clever. For those still inclined to believe it, the message reinforces Obama's fading image as a truth-telling, above-it-all academic (see the Michigan speech in particular for a bunch of we need to get beyond the tired debate about big-vs.-small-government claptrap). And for the straight-journalism types this is a soothing tongue-bath from the Sensible Centrist in Chief that reinforces their own self-pity/importance and gives them even more motivation to go after the real lying liars: The ones who noisily and hyperbolically oppose the policies of the most powerful man on earth.
I think this is dead on, and it fits into the point I'm making here. The President could acknowledge that his policies are truly divisive. He could claim that while he respects the objections of the opposition, he believes that in the long run his way of thinking will be vindicated. That would be the grown-up thing to do. That would be real leadership. Instead, he implies that if only we got rid of the right wing talk machine, the public would see that every last one of his policies has been a win-win.

Enough is enough, Mr. President. You're a polarizing leader in a polarized age. Own it.
 

Jhhnn

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It's the same hatred directed towards Clinton, except that Obama is black, and that we really are in trouble, thanks to following the pied piper of free market deregulation, globalization and trickledown nonsense...

Which is why the Right is screaming as loud as they are, so we'll forget who led us here...
 

TheBDB

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The other option is that the country is the most polarized it has been since Gallup started polling. In other words, any Democrat President would have similar numbers and a Republican would have an opposite difference.
 

Dekasa

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Yeah, we should just paint ~80% of all Republicans as racist.

Truth of the matter is, all of Washington has become hyper-polarized. The Right is calling the Left liars, and the Left is calling the Right bigots.

Now, I'm not saying that Obama is the greatest President, or that he's been framed as far worse than he is, but you have to look at this in context. Case-in-point, Healthcare. We all know that when people were polled over what was in the HC Bill, the majority were in favor, but when people were polled over the HC Bill itself, the majority were not in favor. And that's exactly it, a huge portion of the Republicans *appear* to be against any the Dems propose, not because they're ideologically opposed or the rationally think it's a bad idea, but because the Dems proposed it. And don't get me wrong, the Dems have been just as bad, but not in as obvious of ways (that I can currently think of).

So... can't we all just, get along? Or at least go at things rationally?
 

werepossum

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I would imagine that Bush was the most polarizing before him, and whomever follows Obama may well be more polarizing. As government grows ever bigger and more powerful, it intrudes on more and more of our lives, which stimulates non-political people to take a side. One thing that is inescapable though - no president since 1958 has been engaged in "fundamentally transforming" America, which necessarily stimulates EVERYONE into taking a side, the more so since he refuses to divulge his vision of the final product once we are transformed.
 

Lemon law

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404 link to Obama the polarizer not found. Even with the PJABBER gallup link, the reasons are as clear as the noses on our faces.

Obama support among democrats, 82%, Obama support among independents 47%, Obama support among republicans 14%.

And its the Republican embrace of the irresponsible overuse of the filibuster since 2006, that makes it impossible to get anything done in Washington, with Obama having little to do with it the grid lock.

I mean seriously, how a minority party in the Republicans that failed to win either Potus or more than 43% of congressional seats in 2008, can grid lock our entire country is a damn shame. And don't blame Obama or the independents, blame only the Republirats.

And I hate to say it, because the responsible use of the Senate rules filibuster has done more good than harm before 2006, but it may be time to end the Filibuster rules now, and end the current GOP tyranny of the minority for the overall good of the Country.

As for PJABBER, he confuses cause with effect.
 

Danube

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first black president is black

He's also the first red president - and that's the problem. Obama is Lincoln in reverse. Lincoln wanted to save the uinon and ended up erasing slavery. Obama is breaking the union and bringing slavery back (economically anyway).
 

werepossum

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404 link to Obama the polarizer not found. Even with the PJABBER gallup link, the reasons are as clear as the noses on our faces.

Obama support among democrats, 82%, Obama support among independents 47%, Obama support among republicans 14%.

And its the Republican embrace of the irresponsible overuse of the filibuster since 2006, that makes it impossible to get anything done in Washington, with Obama having little to do with it the grid lock.

I mean seriously, how a minority party in the Republicans that failed to win either Potus or more than 43% of congressional seats in 2008, can grid lock our entire country is a damn shame. And don't blame Obama or the independents, blame only the Republirats.

And I hate to say it, because the responsible use of the Senate rules filibuster has done more good than harm before 2006, but it may be time to end the Filibuster rules now, and end the current GOP tyranny of the minority for the overall good of the Country.

As for PJABBER, he confuses cause with effect.

Perhaps for clarity you should simply post the things thing you DON'T blame on Republicans. Even when the Dems for most of a year enjoyed a majority that meant Republicans could not stop or even slow down anything the Dems wanted to pass, you blame the Dems' lack of substantial "progress" on the Republicans. Until New Jersey, Republicans could do NOTHING to influence any Democrat legislation except bring the public's attention to it - which luckily was enough - and the Democrats were doing this with a record SEVEN unelected Senators. Under those conditions very few people are stupid enough or dishonest enough to blame the Republicans, yet you never miss a chance. Truly amazing.
 

OrByte

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i think there should be a poll to determine if this is in fact the most Polarized America has ever been.
 

werepossum

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i think there should be a poll to determine if this is in fact the most Polarized America has ever been.
I think that's a given, at least since 1958. America is what Obama is polarizing, so if he is the most polarizing President ever, then it stands to reason that America is at its most polarized.

As far as "ever", I think it's a given that when millions of Americans were engaged in killing each other, we were more polarized.
 

fallout man

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He's also the first red president - and that's the problem. Obama is Lincoln in reverse. Lincoln wanted to save the uinon and ended up erasing slavery. Obama is breaking the union and bringing slavery back (economically anyway).

I lolled. How is a welfare-state slavery? Oh wait, you're just here to throw out some buzz-words...
 

werepossum

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I lolled. How is a welfare-state slavery? Oh wait, you're just here to throw out some buzz-words...

Want some money? First you gotta work for the man!

Any time you are forced by law to turn over some of the proceeds of your own labor it's arguably economic slavery, although I'd equate it to serfdom myself in that the overlord (government) determines how much free labor you must give it. The only question is how much we're willing to accept to get the benefits of civilization. (Or how much can be forced on us, I suppose.) Can't get the benefits of civilization without giving up some of your labor to others' control.
 

Lemon law

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UberNeuman seems to lack reading comprehension skills in saying, "As for PJABBER, he confuses cause with effect.
Sir, your mistake is that Jabs cares about that... "

Earth to UberNeuman, its not about how deeply PJABBER cares, its a matter of weather PJABBER confuses cause with effect. PJABBER blames Obama for causing polarization and I blame the Republican for causing the polarization. Either way, we get the observable effects of grid lock.

But to some extent, we had the same grid lock in the Senate from 2006 to 2008 when Obama was a mere Senator and the GOP overused the Senate filibuster by setting new world records for the use of the filibuser during that time period. Now under Obama as Prez, the GOP has even shattered their previous world record.

So I submit to this forum, its the GOP and the GOP alone that is causing the current polarization in this country, and Obama has little to do with it.
 

werepossum

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UberNeuman seems to lack reading comprehension skills in saying, "As for PJABBER, he confuses cause with effect.
Sir, your mistake is that Jabs cares about that... "

Earth to UberNeuman, its not about how deeply PJABBER cares, its a matter of weather PJABBER confuses cause with effect. PJABBER blames Obama for causing polarization and I blame the Republican for causing the polarization. Either way, we get the observable effects of grid lock.

But to some extent, we had the same grid lock in the Senate from 2006 to 2008 when Obama was a mere Senator and the GOP overused the Senate filibuster by setting new world records for the use of the filibuser during that time period. Now under Obama as Prez, the GOP has even shattered their previous world record.

So I submit to this forum, its the GOP and the GOP alone that is causing the current polarization in this country, and Obama has little to do with it.

By your standard a rash of house burglaries would be caused completely by people locking their doors.
 

UberNeuman

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UberNeuman seems to lack reading comprehension skills in saying, "As for PJABBER, he confuses cause with effect.
Sir, your mistake is that Jabs cares about that... "

Earth to UberNeuman, its not about how deeply PJABBER cares, its a matter of weather PJABBER confuses cause with effect. PJABBER blames Obama for causing polarization and I blame the Republican for causing the polarization. Either way, we get the observable effects of grid lock.

Keep tiltlin' at the windmill, Don Quixote....