ITS OFFICIAL: My Leadtek GF3 ti200 TDH has 3.8ns Ram!!

[mamisano]

Just the pried off my HSF and wiped off the grease on my Leadtek ti200 TDH. Card comes with Elite 3.8ns Ram, core is marked with a V for Value GF3. Here is a pic:

Pic of 3.8ns Ram and 'V' rated core

I love it! Thats why it does 530mhz memory so easily.

I wonder how rare this combo is?

Later

 

[kendogg]

pic doesnt work

EDIT: ok it works, just gotta del the .jpg after images..

 

[Smbu]

I guess the oc speeds of the 3.8ns EliteMT ram varies. My Visiontek GF3 Ti500 has the same ram and I'm currently running it at 590mhz.

Also, I wonder why that V is on the GF3 core. I'm pretty sure my "old" PNY GF3 Ti200 didn't have that V on the core and my VT GF3 Ti500 doesn't have it either. In fact, the cores looked exactly the same on my former Ti200 and my current Ti500. How fast are you running your core?

Are the V core labeled ones, the ones that wouldn't run at a higher speed stable? I was able to run my PNY GF3 Ti200 card at 250mhz core. I'm running the Visiontek GF3 Ti500 at 260mhz right now.

 

[rickn]

a lot of it has to do with board logic and power distribution. This is one reason that GF3 TI 500 card are using 8-layer boards

 

[FiveDoubleO]

The SUMA Geforce Ti 200 SE has:

3.6ns
8 Layer PCB

SUMA Geforce 3 Ti 200 specs

But I can not find a retailer for SUMA.

 

[Smbu]

Whatever happened to that one GF3 Ti500 that was going to be released with like 3.3ns and called the Ti600, or something?

 

[rickn]

Yeah, that Suma board won't be no $99 card though [for those who got the $99 VT from Best Buy]

Should overclock good, atleast the memory, but not very easy to get, if you can get them at all, in the USA

 

[FiveDoubleO]

eh?

$99 bucks for...?

btw already did give up my search for a SUMA card

 

[Rand]

<<
Are the V core labeled ones, the ones that wouldn't run at a higher speed stable? I was able to run my PNY GF3 Ti200 card at 250mhz core. I'm running the Visiontek GF3 Ti500 at 260mhz right now. >>



The "V" supposedly means they were tested as capable of Ti200 seeds, but not good enough for Ti500. A "T" symbolizes one that's been tested to be capable of Ti500 speeds.
A good many of the earlier Titanium GF3's werent marked as such though. And I've heard their changing the naming scheme to more solidly differentiate between Ti200 and Ti500 cores then merely using the V/T domination.

 

[Smbu]

Hmmm....well I was just looking at this roundup of Visiontek Ti cards and I just now noticed the little T on the Ti500. So maybe both the Pny GF3 Ti200 and my VT GF3 Ti500 are marked that way and I just never noticed. Oh, well I'm not about to take off the epoxied waterblock I put on just to check for the little T.

 

[Ajay]

If you have a 19 or 21 inch monitor, how is the 2D quality at high resolution (1280x1024 and greater)?
Thanks,
-AJ

 

[AbRASiON]

Ajay: www.firingsquad.com - see what they had to say about 2d quality on leadteks

 

[Ajay]

Thanks, but that was the Ti500. 2D IQ often varies with the same manufacturer's line (diff components, etc) The Leaktek Ti200 and Ti200 TDH apparently have some significant differences, for example. Currently, I have a Gainward PowerPack GF3 enroute. If the 2D quality of that card isn't up to par, I want to have an alternatives ready so I can order a different card. I'd stick with ATI, but I'm sick of their drivers and freaking broken promises.

-AJ

 

[Maggot]

This business of which Ti200 cards have which RAM chips is too complicated for words. I'm green with envy to see that some of the cards reviewed by digit-life (with Elite 3.8 ns chips) actually *were* sold.
Even more green to see that you apparently got one as late as the end of 11/01 when I thought LeadTek had surely switched to 4 ns altogether.

My WinFast Ti200 T arrived with 4 ns EtronTech RAM chips. The GPU has neither a V nor an T to indicate its pedigree. The GPU reads:
"G10944.1 0142A5 A Taiwan Ti200"
If that indicates anything of its OC potential, I'd be grateful to hear it!

I know of no other accounts of this particular RAM brand, however.

As for its potential, I haven't and will not bench it until I've attached
copper ramsinks (the T comes with *none!*) and a cpu cooler on the GF3 chip. It'd be nice to have a thermistor readout, but it turns out that only the TDH has support via WinFox.

Initial reports of WinFox, BTW, are dismal bugginess!

 

[pillage2001]

Where did you buy it from?!

 

[PING]

"V" and "T" were old designation for ti200 and ti500 chips.
new gpu's comes with either "Ti200" or "Ti500" printed on the chip. i wish my $99 visiontek ti200 came with at least a 4ns.

 

[Maggot]

I got it at mWave, an authorized dealer. It was at their site that I saw
http://direct.mwave.com/mwave/doc2/A15710.html which indicates that the
T model *does* support hardware monitoring. I knew no better when I ordered it. The LeadTek site page, BTW, has the identical misinformation.

I made a fuss, have gotten almost nowhere. Planning to OC as I am, I thought the Temperature readout would come in mighty handy. Now I hear how WinFox is so dicey a utility, I'm losing my incentive to demand a swap for a TDH model.

 

[mamisano]

Actually, I ordered my TDH on 10/16 so they were probably still producing them with 3.8ns ram.

WinFox SUCKS! I does not work on NT based OSes. I tried it on WinXP and it crashed my system. I just use Reference drivers and don't have the ability to use the Hardware Monitoring

I am not sure that I like the design of the Heatsink that comes on my card. I feel that seperate Heatsinks for the GPU and Ram would be much better for OCing. Might move in that direction in the future, but I can not complain about the speeds I can run may card at in stock form

 

[Maggot]

You did well to get that 3.8 ns ram. Have you made the most of it? The DDR equivalent is 526 MHz, but with decent cooling... well don't be coy:
tell what it can do!
I agree that the stock coolers (and there are a variety) on Leadtek are all poor: the slab of metal with no fins and a tiny fan that they slapped on my Ti200 T was a bad joke.

The final chapter in my correspondence with LeadTek (regarding my bitch that the T card published specs misled me into expecting hardware monitoring) is in and interesting. Today I received this:

"As you know, GeForce 3 200 T and GeForce 3 200 TDH is low version of
original GeForce 3 TDH. In our product line, GeForce 3 500 TD is top of the line, second will be GeForce 3 TDH, and third will be GeForce 3 200 T or 200TDH. We no longer produce GeForce 3 200 TDH and GeForce 3 TDH. I try to find GeForce 3 200 TDH for you to exchange with, but we only made few of those cards. So What I can do, or best I can to is for you to do an upgrade. We usually don't do upgrade, but I have talk to my upper manager to agree. for $50 extra, we will exchange your GeForce 3 200 T with Geforce 3 TDH. our second best card. I found out we still have few of these card in stock. let me know what you decide."

I'm gonna pass on that. I don't need the digital output, the hardware monitoring (thanks to WinFox) is buggy (*and* they are apparently no longer going to offer it) so I'd just be getting 3.8 ns ram replacing my
4 ns, and a core clocked at 200 instead of 175. $50 is too much.

 

[mamisano]

My current OC is 230/530 with stock cooling. Due to my financial situation, thats the way it will stay until I have an itch to purchase a new HSF and Ram sinks.

I wonder how rare the card is??? Might be worth something

Hmmm, for $50, I would do the upgrade. Might lose less of its value when you go to sell it later on.

 

[Maggot]

"Hmmm, for $50, I would do the upgrade."

You would ? Why?
I might add that the $50 wouldn't be *all* I'd really spend. Although I am assuming that they wouldn't charge me for shipping (and I can't be certain, at that) I would surely have to pay freight to get my Ti200 "T"
back to them (maybe $6-7), and there's also the time & trouble of repacking the T and taking it to a shipper.

BTW, Michael, no matter how tight the budget is, I bet you can (and *should*) upgrade the stock cooling for just pennies! Any old cpu cooler
you have lying around will be better on the GPU, and separate ram sinks can be sliced off a socket A HS with a Dremel. OR, the Win Fin (WingFin?)
aluminum HS sold at 2CoolTek.com come in a variety of shapes. The individual 10x20mm sinks are $1.50 each, but the same result is obtained by slicing up their biggest size into 8 pieces (yeah, with a Dremel- but don't all of us have one?) and that HS size costs just $5 total!

Dean

 

[mamisano]

Hmmm, I do have an FOP 32-1 HS laying around...the clip broke on it. Might have to slice it up Need to invest in some Thermal Epoxy for them to stay. I was thinking of purchasing a Rackmount 1U Heatsink/Fan combo. Alpha, Thermaltake and others make a nice HSF for about $20 with a small 60x60x10mm Fan that would be more than adequate for the GPU. Hmmm, need to cash in those pennies I have lying around; Saving for a wedding leaves little extra cash

 

[Newbie77]

So is it safe to say that all Ti 200 TDH has 3.8ns memory? Thinking of picking one up from my local computer store.

 

[mamisano]

Its possible, but they are not even making the TDH anymore. Be careful you don't get the T instead.

 

[Maggot]

"So is it safe to say that all Ti 200 TDH has 3.8ns memory? "

NO! The 3.8 is rara avis: only a lock on true GF3 and Ti 500.
The Ti 200 is *supposed* to have at least 5 ns, according to nVidia specs, and LeadTek (as well as Hercules and a couple other OEMs) claim to exceed the specs of Ti200 by using 4 ns RAM.

My LeadTek Ti200 "T" does have 4 ns RAM chips, and the LeadTekTi200 TDH should too. However, these OEMs keep on changing their songs. The LeadTek Ti200 card that digit-life reviewed had 3.8 ns RAM, but that was
2 months ago. Mike here (on this thread) has 3.8 ns RAM on his TDH- but
he is just plain lucky, and you can see me taking him to task for that
(out of envy!) right through this thread.

No Ti200 I know of is now available with RAM faster than 4 ns. If I were you, I'd get the Hercules Ti200 if possible, & the LeadTek Ti200 T would be my next choice.:Q