Its official Megyn Kelly is a bimbo, according to Donald Trump

[Jhhnn]

Back to Megyn Kelly. I don't like how she gave Jeb all softball questions and Trump hard ones. That isn't right or what people wanted to see.
This doesn't mean she needs to apologize to Trump any more than Trump needs to apologize to a landowner whose view has been ruined by a Trump hotel.

Well, yeh, but it was fair & balanced by definition because it's Fox, of course.

 

[CWRMadcat]

I've yet to see anyone respond to this analysis in a substantive way:

The fourteenth amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory, and with the single additional exception of children of members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes. … To hold that the fourteenth amendment of the constitution excludes from citizenship the children born in the United States of citizens or subjects of other countries, would be to deny citizenship to thousands of persons of English, Scotch, Irish, German, or other European parentage, who have always been considered and treated as citizens of the United States.

I don't really disagree with your analysis, but I think it's worth pointing out that while not explicitly stated, the 14th probably wasn't crafted with the idea that non-whites would ever attain citizenship in such massive numbers such that citizens of European stock would ever become a minority in America. Even in the citation above, preserving the citizenship of those of European origin appears to be an important consideration.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't really disagree with your analysis, but I think it's worth pointing out that while not explicitly stated, the 14th probably wasn't crafted with the idea that non-whites would ever attain citizenship in such massive numbers such that citizens of European stock would ever become a minority in America. Even in the citation above, preserving the citizenship of those of European origin appears to be an important consideration.

If you read the linked file you'll see that fears of being overrun by foreigners of non-european stock was explicitly debated at the time of enactment. (pages 370 and 371)

 

[Jaskalas]

it amazes me that people still support trumplestiltskin. he's nothing more than a bloviating, misogynistic, schoolyard bully.

Failure in our government leads to a strongman... it's almost like history repeats itself.

Votes for Trump are people voting for strength and action. Even if those actions are really bad.

 

[CWRMadcat]

If you read the linked file you'll see that fears of being overrun by foreigners of non-european stock was explicitly debated at the time of enactment. (pages 370 and 371)

I did, and I'll go ahead and quote an important excerpt of the text:

Conness acknowledged Cowan’s dire predictions of foreign overpopulation, but explained that, although legally correct, Cowan’s parade of horribles would not be realized, because most Chinese would not take advantage of such rights although entitled to them. He noted that most Chinese workand then return to their home countries, rather than start families in the U.S. Conness thus concluded that, if Cowan “knew as much of the Chinese and their habits as he professes to do of the Gypsies, ... he would not be alarmed.”

In other words, migration patterns at the time convinced them that non-whites wouldn't really pose a demographic challenge. I realize I'm getting into the murky territory of reading people's minds, but I highly doubt the 14th would have passed in its current form if present demographic challenges had materialized in the 1860's.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

In other words, migration patterns at the time convinced them that non-whites wouldn't really pose a demographic challenge. I realize I'm getting into the murky territory of reading people's minds, but I highly doubt the 14th would have passed in its current form if present demographic challenges had materialized in the 1860's.

Irrelevant, seeing as the current group that makes up the Supreme Court, tasked with interpreting the Constitution, would never, ever read the 14th as not applying to "anchor babies." They just wouldn't, period. That means the only way you could enact legislation to that effect would be through the passage of a new Constitutional Amendment clarifying the language of the 14th Amendment and making it specifically apply solely to people here legally. But you're never going to get enough states to support that Amendment to ratify it. So it's a completely meaningless argument, as there's literally no possible chance it becomes law at any point in our lifetime. I mean, OK, it's an interesting thought exercise, but there's no practical way to apply it in the real world; it's intellectual masturbation.

 

[fskimospy]

I did, and I'll go ahead and quote an important excerpt of the text:

In other words, migration patterns at the time convinced them that non-whites wouldn't really pose a demographic challenge. I realize I'm getting into the murky territory of reading people's minds, but I highly doubt the 14th would have passed in its current form if present demographic challenges had materialized in the 1860's.

Maybe not, but they certainly considered the possibility and decided to pass it anyway while accepting that it meant that this sort of thing could happen.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Failure in our government leads to a strongman... it's almost like history repeats itself.

Votes for Trump are people voting for strength and action. Even if those actions are really bad.

wow, I only see fear and insecurity when I hear or see trumplestiltskin.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't really disagree with your analysis, but I think it's worth pointing out that while not explicitly stated, the 14th probably wasn't crafted with the idea that non-whites would ever attain citizenship in such massive numbers such that citizens of European stock would ever become a minority in America. Even in the citation above, preserving the citizenship of those of European origin appears to be an important consideration.

You do realize that there are deep racist underpinnings to that argument. A shift in the racial balance of the Republic in no way fails to preserve the citizenship of those of European descent.

Unless you'd care to illustrate how it might.