It's now or never for Washington

GrGr

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It's now or never for Washington

America's real aim in Ukraine and other former Soviet republics is to seize
control of vital resources before China and India can challenge US dominance.

by Mark Almond

New Statesman (December 06 2004)

Are we on the brink of a new cold war? On both sides of the Atlantic, media
commentators see the crisis in Ukraine as comparable to the Berlin crises,
involving the US and the Soviet Union, which kept the world on tenterhooks for
decades. In this supposed drama, a resurgent Kremlin under an ex-KGB colonel is
suppressing freedom at home and encroaching on ex-Soviet republics around his
country's vast rim.

This terror of shadows has a track record of success. In the 1970s and early
1980s, the ailing world of Leonid Brezhnev was portrayed as a sinister
superpower with its tentacles almost around Uncle Sam's throat. The US
and the majority of western European nations combined behind a programme
of arms build-up and covert sponsorship of anti-communist dissidents.

The coincidence of dates is not often noted, but the Pentagon was inaugurated
on 11 September 1941, exactly sixty years before it took its first direct hit.
In my view, its role was positive for many years: few would regret the fall of
Hitler or the deterrence of Stalin. But America's bloodless victory in the cold
war did not lead her to rest on her laurels. As early as 1992, Pentagon insiders
led by Paul Wolfowitz and sponsored by the then defence secretary, Dick Cheney
(under President Bush I), had drawn up a doctrine designed to prevent any power
getting the "capacity" to challenge the US in the future. Not only potential
foes but friends were to be kept subordinate.

There was no peace dividend. Instead, US defence spending rose. Now the Pentagon
spends more than the European Union, Russia, China and India combined. As one
Pentagon friend said to me recently: "The new arms race is between the US army
today and the US army which might fight it tomorrow!"

Yet, according to Washington's friends, Russia is on the prowl, even though its
military technology is ageing and Nato expansion (and with it, US bases) reaches
deep inside the old Soviet Union. In reality, the Kremlin's writ is fraying at
the edges of the smaller, post-1991 Russia. Already Chechnya is in chaos and
much of the north Caucasus is simmering. If Russia poses no military threat
even to its neighbours, the divide of the first cold war era is dead.

And yet the culture of the new cold war is very different from that of the old.
For forty years, the west's intellectuals and media were bitterly divided over
policy towards Moscow. Each side - particularly the west - had its allies on the
other side. The west's victory in 1989 was good for the market economy but bad
for intellectual pluralism. Sky News came online in 1989 but the explosion of
24-hour news has been matched by an implosion of alternative views.

With the collapse of one-party states, any justification for western covert
intervention in elections died. Yet the methods of the old cold war have
continued and even grown in scale. Washington's power elite see the whole
world as former president Reagan saw Latin America - indeed, many Reagan
administration figures are involved in current events. Cold war methods are
still in use - even more so - but now against opponents who do not merit the
description "totalitarian", whatever their faults.

In the run-up to the velvet revolutions of 1989, I was a bagman carrying tens of
thousands of dollars to eastern European dissidents. I have a good idea of how
much money and foreign input are required to get a spontaneous "people power"
revolution going. Then, however, it was the Communist Party that blocked dissent.
Today, western intelligence agencies, the media and "the people" crush any
dissent from the Washington consensus.

At the time of the Falklands war, Henry Kissinger said: "No great power retreats
for ever". Maybe Russia is about to disprove his thesis, because so far Russia
has retreated steadily under Vladimir Putin's rule. If Ukraine falls into the
Nato orbit, Russia will lose her access to Black Sea naval bases and Russian oil
and gas export routes will have to pass an American stranglehold.

Yet Russia is a bit player in this new global competition. The Pentagon is
really aiming at Beijing in its grab for the old Soviet strategic space around
Russia. China is booming, but energy is her Achilles heel. Economically and
technologically, China's 1.3 billion people seem poised to assume superpower
status, but China cannot risk falling out with America. Only access to Russian
and central Asian oil can liberate China from dependence on vulnerable sea-borne
oil supplies, so the real "Great Game" is between Beijing and Washington.
America's real strategic fear is the rise of China and India. Unlike Russia,
they are not beset by demographic decline.

Worse still for US planners, the Chinese and Indians may want the benefits of
western consumerism but they do not share the cultural cringe of peoples of the
former Soviet bloc: like Gandhi, they believe that western civilisation would be
a very good idea.

In Latin America, too, Washington does not have everything its own way. It is
not just that Venezuela's Hugo Chavez saw off a Ukrainian-style "people power"
push, having already trounced an old-style putsch in 2002; Brazil and Argentina
are also failing to toe the Washington line. The region's big players show signs
of looking to China and south Asia for markets and investment.

If South America, south Asia and China begin to coalesce, then Washington
could find itself confronted by an alternative axis not seen since before the
Sino-Soviet split in the early 1960s. But, whereas Mao and Brezhnev represented
economic dead ends, the new China and her potential partners have dynamism on
their side. Maybe India and China are business rivals, but their old frontier
disputes in the Himalayas are frozen. Latin America has nothing to fear from
either superpower of the future, nor do Latin Americans nurse visceral
resentments of Beijing or Delhi that are in any way comparable to their
deep-dyed anti-Yankee feelings.

America's drive to dominate the old Soviet Union represents a gamble by
today's only superpower to seize the highest-value chips on the table before
China and India join the game. If China can add access to post-Soviet energy
to the Chinese hand, it will be game on for a real new cold war. Many of the
predictions among Washington neoconservatives about China's growing power recall
the fear among German militarists that the window of opportunity for a global
role was closing by 1914. Washington's drive to seize maximum advantage before
the inevitable waning of US power recalls the Kaiser's cry eighty years ago:
"Now or never!"
 

EagleKeeper

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So what should happen - fight the cold war over again?
 

Genx87

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I dont believe Germany ever had the capability and population to be the worlds superpower. They tried but a population of 50 million just cant make a huge dent in the world.

As for the next cold war you are dreaming if you think China will remain as friendly as they are now to us. They see us as the last obstacle to their rise of power. They will stay side by side with us until they can grow their economy and military power. And I can almost guarantee they will turn on us faster than a pornstar goes down at a gangbang.

The biggest loser in all of this is Europe. I think their overall power will continue to dwindle over the next 50 years.
 

SuperTool

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If Ukraine interferes with Russian gas shipments to Europe, it will only push Russia to ship more gas to China and India instead.
So confrontational approach with Russia in the West would be counterproductive, and move it closer with India and China as energy partners. However it's entirely possible that the current leadership in Washington doesn't see the situation this way.
As far as Black Sea fleet, I would thread lightly if I was Ukraine, or it's territorial integrity could suffer. There is a sympathetic pro Russian population in areas that are of interest to Moscow.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont believe Germany ever had the capability and population to be the worlds superpower. They tried but a population of 50 million just cant make a huge dent in the world.

As for the next cold war you are dreaming if you think China will remain as friendly as they are now to us. They see us as the last obstacle to their rise of power. They will stay side by side with us until they can grow their economy and military power. And I can almost guarantee they will turn on us faster than a pornstar goes down at a gangbang.

The biggest loser in all of this is Europe. I think their overall power will continue to dwindle over the next 50 years.


I think the economies of china and the US are getting too intangled for there to much room for conflict.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont believe Germany ever had the capability and population to be the worlds superpower. They tried but a population of 50 million just cant make a huge dent in the world.
For one thing 50 million people was a lot for the time, and pre-ww2 germany was signifigantly larger than modern germany (effectively poland and germany, which currently have some 120 million people). If americans hadn't intervened and had troops on the ground in 1918, france and england would likely have been thoroughly defeated with the eastern german reinforcements coming from the east. IMO Germany was surely the greatest of the great powers at the time.



The biggest loser in all of this is Europe. I think their overall power will continue to dwindle over the next 50 years.
Strange i see the opposite happening.

EDIT: Grammar and format.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont believe Germany ever had the capability and population to be the worlds superpower. They tried but a population of 50 million just cant make a huge dent in the world.
For one thing 50 million people was a lot for the time, and pre-ww2 germany was signifigantly larger than modern germany (effectively poland and germany, which currently have some 120 million people). If americans hadn't intervened and had troops on the ground in 1918, france and england would likely have been thoroughly defeated with the eastern german reinforcements coming from the east. IMO Germany was surely the greatest of the great powers at the time.



The biggest loser in all of this is Europe. I think their overall power will continue to dwindle over the next 50 years.
Strange i see the opposite happening.

EDIT: Grammar and format.



As long as the population of europe continues to dwindle, they are going to lose power.
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont believe Germany ever had the capability and population to be the worlds superpower. They tried but a population of 50 million just cant make a huge dent in the world.
Please read some history. At that same time and with about the same population, Great Britain ruled the world's largest empire since Rome. Quite literally, the sun never set on the British Empire.

Germany coalesced relatively late as a modern nation state, only achieving same under Bismark in the 1870's. They were thus late to the empire building, colony grabbing game. They not only lagged behind Britain and France, but also Holland and even Portugal! The Kaiser mostly just wanted Germany to take it's place amongst the great powers.

As I'm sure even you will recall as I mention it, NO ONE involved REALLY wanted WWl to happen. Mutual mistrust, an interlocking set of secret ententes and treaties, the lumbering machinery of war mobilization which once put in motion was hard to stop -- all constituted the war kindling that the spark of the assassination of archduke Ferdinand ignited.

Edit: Oh, yeah, the OP. It seems that pyschologically, our need for an adversary is primal and enduring. Remember the Maine! Fifty-four forty or fight!