It's Not Paranoia If It's Happening

[Challenger]

And so it begins. The first step into idiocracy.

https://iotwreport.com/gun-confiscation-begins-in-illinois/

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Yeah I stopped reading at "American Thinker".

 

[fskimospy]

And so it begins. The first step into idiocracy.

https://iotwreport.com/gun-confiscation-begins-in-illinois/

What’s the issue here? We need way, way stronger gun control laws than are mentioned in this gun nut article but this is at least a step in the right direction.

Whoever wrote the article doesn’t seem to even understand guns as they mentioned owning guns for personal safety when research strongly indicates owning a gun makes you less safe. What a bunch of dummies.

 

[FIVR]

This is great news. Not sure about the source but hopefully they take all the guns in Illinois. That state has been suffering from terrible gun violence.


It's been proven by science that less guns = less violence.

 

[Challenger]

So you "people" think the criminals are going to give up thier guns? This law only tramples the rights of the law abiding citizens. As for the source, there are tons of them but the libtard media isn't covering it. I guess they don't care to inform us of our rights being taken away.

 

[FIVR]

So you "people" think the criminals are going to give up thier guns? This law only tramples the rights of the law abiding citizens.

Criminals will be allowed to keep their guns, because they use their guns properly. Guns are meant to assist people in committing crimes, not shooting animals or arousing ammosexuals like yourself.


If you want a gun, steal one or join the military. If you are too much of a pussy to do that then you don't deserve a gun.

 

[Challenger]

Local news story.

http://fox2now.com/2018/03/13/rauner-vetoes-gun-retailer-licensing-legislation/

 

[justoh]

Is this supposed to be it? http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/100/HB/10000HB1465eng.htm

"ok, dad, these are yours now, wink." If you don't live at home, move back in? I don't see anything about confiscation. This looks like a tough thing to manage, for something so pointless.

 

[FIVR]

The real problem with america isn't criminals with guns, it's pussies like OP with guns. They hoard them and they have retarded children who get bullied for being retards then shoot up schools. The criminals actually use guns correctly and rarely kill anybody.


If we could get the guns out of the hands of neckbeard retards like OP and into the hands of gang members, america's children would be safe.

 

[fskimospy]

So you "people" think the criminals are going to give up thier guns? This law only tramples the rights of the law abiding citizens. As for the source, there are tons of them but the libtard media isn't covering it. I guess they don't care to inform us of our rights being taken away.

So I guess we should get rid of laws against murder because criminals don’t follow the law anyway. The logical outcome of your argument is that we should have no laws because they will only restrict law abiding people.

Before calling other people ‘libtards’ you might want to spend ten seconds thinking of your own position is smart or not.

 

[Challenger]

The real problem with america isn't criminals with guns, it's pussies like OP with guns. They hoard them and they have retarded children who get bullied for being retards then shoot up schools. The criminals actually use guns correctly and rarely kill anybody.


If we could get the guns out of the hands of neckbeard retards like OP and into the hands of gang members, america's children would be safe.

That's an awesome way to discuss a topic!

 

[thecoolnessrune]

In Illinois, you need an F.O.I.D. card and be above 18 to purchase or take ownership of a rifle (21 for a handgun). If you're under 21, you need a parent or guardian signature to get a F.O.I.D. card (and that person must also have an F.O.I.D card). This law would (effectively) make gun purchase or ownership illegal under 21.

I'm for this, however, I don't necessarily like the way it's written for confiscation. It should have been a buyback. Something like this is just going to be ammo (heh) used by the NRA to tell people that there's undeniable proof that the government will confiscate your guns. I see where their thinking lies, in the fact that an 18-20 year old with a gun should have a parent or guardian (also with an F.O.I.D.) that can take ownership of the weapon back for them, but there's undoubtedly going to be those out there who are in a situation where they got an F.O.I.D card with the assistance of a parent or guardian (they last 10 years), that can't or won't want to turn in that firearm to those people. That means selling the firearm on the open market as fast as possible, or hiding the weapon away. There shouldn't be many "intentionally" or monetarily harmed by the measure, but there will undoubtedly be some. Should be a buyback, or it's just going to leave a bad taste in some people's mouths.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

That's an awesome way to discuss a topic!

Is it any worse than "people" and libtards?

Glass house son.

 

[K1052]

I'm suspecting that the number of firearms affected is really really low and most of those would just be transferred to a parent.

Upping the age to 21 for semi-auto sales is fine with me.

 

[shortylickens]

its not actually happening, the bill is just moving through.

And yeah, just give it to a parent and you're fine.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm suspecting that the number of firearms affected is really really low and most of those would just be transferred to a parent.

Upping the age to 21 for semi-auto sales is fine with me.

Yes, we shouldn’t have any illusions that these tiny half measures will have a meaningful effect. I’m some ways they are worse as they give the illusion of something being done.

 

[Kathy Sharp]

So I guess we should get rid of laws against murder because criminals don’t follow the law anyway.

Without "laws against murder", murder would be _legal_. That would obviously be quite a bit detrimental to society.

"People having guns legally" is not detrimental to society: while wannabe criminals in this case can obtain a gun legally, they are also more likely to be shot while attempting to perpetrate a crime.

 

[Challenger]

its not actually happening, the bill is just moving through.

And yeah, just give it to a parent and you're fine.

It is on it's way to the governors desk. I don't know if it will get signed but where will it stop?

 

[K1052]

It is on it's way to the governors desk. I don't know if it will get signed but where will it stop?

I'm pretty skeptical our Republican governor, who is in a primary brawl with a very conservative challenger, is going to be signing any gun legislation.

I take it you aren't from around here.

 

[FIVR]

OP literally doesn't understand how government works. The chance Rauner signs this is zero.

 

[fskimospy]

Without "laws against murder", murder would be _legal_. That would obviously be quite a bit detrimental to society.

Why would that be detrimental? We already established that criminals don’t follow the law so it won’t stop them. Meanwhile, once in a great while it is almost certainly beneficial to society that someone is killed. All you’re doing is preventing the good uses of murder and doing nothing to deter criminals.

You’re probably thinking that sounds ridiculous, and it is, but it’s exactly the argument being made by OP.

"People having guns legally" is not detrimental to society: while wannabe criminals in this case can obtain a gun legally, they are also more likely to be shot while attempting to perpetrate a crime.

The research strongly disagrees with you there. Firearm ownership is associated with an increased risk of being the victim of homicide and suicide for everyone in the household. That sure sounds detrimental to me. What about you?

It’s a common misconception that owning a gun makes you safer. In reality it makes you much less safe. It’s also a misconception that gun ownership deters criminal activity. Guns are used vastly more often to commit crimes than to prevent them.

 

[shortylickens]

It is on it's way to the governors desk. I don't know if it will get signed but where will it stop?

the governor will cave to the NRA or some other group.

OR, it will pass but someone like the NRA will immediately sue, saying its unconstitutional and the bill will never actually go into effect.

 

[justoh]

its not actually happening, the bill is just moving through.

And yeah, just give it to a parent and you're fine.

Unless you live alone and need that assault rifle for protection. Imagine you're a 19-year-old woman, having just left the nest, starting out in a dubious neighborhood. How will you feel as the baddies are kicking your door down, when you remember that you had to give your trusty machine gun to dad to comply with some reactionary legislation.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

It is on it's way to the governors desk. I don't know if it will get signed but where will it stop?

From the looks of it this is where it stops. And these types of slippery slope arguments are based in paranoia. It's out of fear, not rationalization, that these concerns originate.

 

[boomerang]

Upping the age to 21 for semi-auto sales is fine with me.

I'm curious what your reasoning is for that specific age. What results do you expect? If those results are not achieved, what do you see as being the next step?