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CallMeJoe

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Yes. 60 minutes did a story a few years ago on high achieving black kids in school. They were told they were "acting white" by their fellow black students for getting an A. This is a problem.
There was an interesting article posted recently on Slate noting this as an unintended consequence of school desegration and social/economic advancement of blacks in the 60s and 70s. When schools were racially segregated, teachers were as segregated as students. Predominantly black schools had predominantly black faculties, providing black students with educated blacks as role models. With desegration, school faculties became increasingly white, a problem aggravated when educated blacks, no longer stuck only in teaching positions, moved into other fields. Black students were left no image of educated adults other than white instructors, leading to the "acting white" paradigm for any students who excelled in class.
 

EagleKeeper

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The school lunch meals are supposed to meet FDA nutritional standards
I can't remember, its been awhile since I was in school. Are the FDA nutritional standards the same ones that involve the food pyramid that suggests eating 50 servings of corn, and one corn anal suppository per day...or whatever it is that farmers were growing a lot of at the time? Ketchup and french fries count as individual veggie servings right? :p
Back in my kids time; they were healthy combinations.

For us; we had to bring the lunch veggies in from the fields
 

Carmen813

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Why the hell should companies like Safeway/and/or local businesspeople open grocery stores in the ghetto where it's dangerous to do business? You can't blame "the man" for that.

With that said, I heard on NPR that some people are doing community gardens and grocery delivery in bad neighborhoods though, where grocery stores don't exist.

I don't have a good solution for bad neighborhoods in the US. It really is a vicious cycle. Chick gets knocked up, deadbeat father goes to knock up a whole bunch of other chicks and then go to jail, chicks become single moms, single moms' kids grow up to be deadbeat fathers/single mothers because they go to sh!tty schools, and repeat. (Gross simplification btw)

Most of this can be attributed to the failed social welfare policies from the Democrats between the 50s-70s and continues today.
My point was that we have advantages that we take for granted, I'm not expecting a company to open doors anywhere aside from where it decides. However, that doesn't mean that those decisions don't inadvertently privilege specific groups.

I agree that welfare needs to be reformed in some ways, but a lot of what has been said about welfare recipients is simply biased. I have worked in inner cities with some very poor people and a lot of what is being said here simply isn't true.

You can blame the welfare policies of Democrats for creating a cycle of dependency, but the social policies of Republicans haven't exactly changed much of anything either. In many ways I'd say the Republican approach simply reinforces some of the "bad habits" they are constantly complaining about. Guilt, shame, and blame are not a good way to motivate someone to work.
 

MrEgo

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Lots of anonymous white (most likely) posters in here making some pretty harsh statements against blacks that would never be said if it weren't anonymous.

There are some good points in here that the black community needs to address, but some of the other posts are exactly why racism still exists - from both sides.
 

Amused

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Lots of anonymous white (most likely) posters in here making some pretty harsh statements against blacks that would never be said if it weren't anonymous.

There are some good points in here that the black community needs to address, but some of the other posts are exactly why racism still exists - from both sides.
Vague post is vague.
 

piasabird

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If you dont want people to be fat get rid of all charity and welfare. Too much unemployment makes people fat quit extending it. Maybe poor people should just burn down all the fast food places instead of the asian grocery stores and their community centers.
 

gingermeggs

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Those who are poor have medicaid and they can choose to buy good food. When you see two shopping carts loaded up with junkfood and nothing else it's a pretty good clue that money isn't the issue. Besides if that was true then no one could get anything else, and many do.

This is a matter of choice.
So you don't seem to understand that the quality-freshness, nutrition levels- of produce that ends up in a poor area of a city is different to what goes to the rich part of town, wow that amazes me that your so simple minded- to the point that I think your making excuses here and now or brushing it over so you don't feeling anything about other peoples suffering at your benefit.

$=quality
- no argument can refute that!
Have you tried the meat, fruit and vegetables in a poor areas supermarkets?
Have you done the maths in the cost difference between fresh and frozen- home cooked and MacDonalds burger or KFC?
Do you only see things the way you want them to fit into your picture?
Are you a "fuck you jack, I'm ok" man?
 

gingermeggs

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If you dont want people to be fat get rid of all charity and welfare. Too much unemployment makes people fat quit extending it. Maybe poor people should just burn down all the fast food places instead of the asian grocery stores and their community centers.
Maybe they should steal it from you instead?
After they have no choice to be law abiding citizens anymore.
To proud to beg and to dumb to steal kinda thing.
Hunger is a great motivator, watch your back Jack!
So what's your proposals for reducing unemployment?
You click your fingers?
Turkey!
 

gingermeggs

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My point was that we have advantages that we take for granted, I'm not expecting a company to open doors anywhere aside from where it decides. However, that doesn't mean that those decisions don't inadvertently privilege specific groups.

I agree that welfare needs to be reformed in some ways, but a lot of what has been said about welfare recipients is simply biased. I have worked in inner cities with some very poor people and a lot of what is being said here simply isn't true.

You can blame the welfare policies of Democrats for creating a cycle of dependency, but the social policies of Republicans haven't exactly changed much of anything either. In many ways I'd say the Republican approach simply reinforces some of the "bad habits" they are constantly complaining about. Guilt, shame, and blame are not a good way to motivate someone to work.
So low wages, high unemployment and poor working conditions have ah heck all to do with it?
What was I thinking- YES~! just get rid of the social security!
Let em eat cake- too easy!
You Americons are ingenious.
 
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gingermeggs

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Back in my kids time; they were healthy combinations.

For us; we had to bring the lunch veggies in from the fields
I don't think the hispanic population will do the same. I think they will out breed the colonialist, anglo-saxon population easily by 2050.
What do you think, Conservador Aguila?
 

NesuD

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Its because black people are poorer than whites, in general, and cannot afford healthy foods. Its been shown that cheap foods are extremely unhealthy. This should be no suprise.
That is a load of crap! eliminate soda replace with water = free or milk still cheaper than soda, eliminate candy replace with apple = a save, an apple is generally cheaper than a candy bar, eliminate chips replace with pasta = way cheaper. Last but not least proper portioning and proper exercise. I came from an extremely poor white family and grew up on pasta in about everything hopefully with some meat (hamburger) but not always and canned vegetables. Canned fruits were a treat and fresh fruit was rare. Bologna sandwiches for lunches usually and cornflakes for breakfast without sugar. Exercise!!! Those kids should be out playing not planted in front of the tv with a 2 liter Mt Dew, a box of little debbies cakes and a bag of chips. All four of us were slim and fit when we left home. All this stuff was cheap and my mother raised 4 kids on it. I used to find her crying every time she wasn't able to put some kind of meat in our supper so don't give me that crap about not eating well cause they are poor. they don't eat well because they choose not to.


Bigots like you piss me off when you spout bullshit that you have no clue about!
 

woolfe9999

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My point was that we have advantages that we take for granted, I'm not expecting a company to open doors anywhere aside from where it decides. However, that doesn't mean that those decisions don't inadvertently privilege specific groups.

I agree that welfare needs to be reformed in some ways, but a lot of what has been said about welfare recipients is simply biased. I have worked in inner cities with some very poor people and a lot of what is being said here simply isn't true.

You can blame the welfare policies of Democrats for creating a cycle of dependency, but the social policies of Republicans haven't exactly changed much of anything either. In many ways I'd say the Republican approach simply reinforces some of the "bad habits" they are constantly complaining about. Guilt, shame, and blame are not a good way to motivate someone to work.
Welfare opponents not only stereotype welfare recipients, they also imagine that there are far more people on welfare than there actually are. AFDC, for example, had 2 million recipients in 2005, down from 5 million in 1995. The main point being that "welfare" has nowhere near the explanatory power that some people seem to think it does. How can a "culture of entitlement" account for all sorts of socio-economic problems when only a small fraction of the culture is actually receiving the entitlement?

- wolf
 

gingermeggs

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That is a load of crap! eliminate soda replace with water = free or milk still cheaper than soda, eliminate candy replace with apple = a save, an apple is generally cheaper than a candy bar, eliminate chips replace with pasta = way cheaper. Last but not least proper portioning and proper exercise. I came from an extremely poor white family and grew up on pasta in about everything hopefully with some meat (hamburger) but not always and canned vegetables. Canned fruits were a treat and fresh fruit was rare. Bologna sandwiches for lunches usually and cornflakes for breakfast without sugar. Exercise!!! Those kids should be out playing not planted in front of the tv with a 2 liter Mt Dew, a box of little debbies cakes and a bag of chips. All four of us were slim and fit when we left home. All this stuff was cheap and my mother raised 4 kids on it. I used to find her crying every time she wasn't able to put some kind of meat in our supper so don't give me that crap about not eating well cause they are poor. they don't eat well because they choose not to.


Bigots like you piss me off when you spout bullshit that you have no clue about!
Your a bigot too! so am and everybody else- that's what makes you human, padawan!
So monkeys throw shit around...big deal and nothing new!
You show the symptoms of poor nutrition in your childhood diet!

I came from a lower middle class family, mum and dad both worked their guts out- still happily married after 46years, I never ate tinned anything, if I went to a friends house and they offered tinned food I would simply claim to have eaten prior!
Now fresh fruit and vegetables are a taste acquired early in life, if your "mom" gives you sugary crap(be her black or white) you will get hooked on the shit!
Most(if not all) of the modern health issues are all linked to the mass production of cheap cane sugars and corn starches.......regulate the amounts of these in food and beverages (including beer, wine an spirits). Regulate the nutrition levels and fibre contents you have reduced your health costs probably cut them in half!
Capitalism can work it just needs the right regulations, not controlled by profit driven narcissist bastards like it is now!
We need to start eating the pigs amongst us not each other, that's been the ruling classes tactical plan since day dot.
Dog eat pig, not dog!
I have worked my guts out, I don't begrudge being taxed to help the poor as much as being fleeced by the rich or pilfered by government waste and corruption!
The poor are very low in the batting order for my first fast ball!
Ps- fresh food is going up way over the inflation rate everywhere, the world is heading to a food shortage, especially in high nutritional value foods- arable land has been misused and under prioritized, Climate change too is starting to bite- so keep it together lads, because the hordes will be hitting the ramparts sooner or later you can betchya lovin asses on it!
 
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ModestGamer

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I grew up in a predominately black area. I get to say great person and no one says shit about it. Becuase I was one of 10 whites kids in a class of 300.

secondly. Fuck You.

Black society holds itself down. No one has to do anything they are doing it to themselves.

Careful, your sheets are showing.

Enjoy your time away from these forums. When you do come back try not to be such a racist asshole or your posting privileges will be permanently revoked

Anandtech Admin
Red Dawn
 
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werepossum

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My point was that we have advantages that we take for granted, I'm not expecting a company to open doors anywhere aside from where it decides. However, that doesn't mean that those decisions don't inadvertently privilege specific groups.

I agree that welfare needs to be reformed in some ways, but a lot of what has been said about welfare recipients is simply biased. I have worked in inner cities with some very poor people and a lot of what is being said here simply isn't true.

You can blame the welfare policies of Democrats for creating a cycle of dependency, but the social policies of Republicans haven't exactly changed much of anything either. In many ways I'd say the Republican approach simply reinforces some of the "bad habits" they are constantly complaining about. Guilt, shame, and blame are not a good way to motivate someone to work.
I wonder exactly when this changed, 'cause guilt and shame used to be excellent motivators for work. At some point we switched to an entitlement mentality. (Note that this isn't just the welfare people, it's all of us.)

I keep hearing that there are only a couple million people on welfare. If that's true they must all live in Tennessee, because in Chattanooga I have about a 10 or 20 percent chance in the Walmart grocery checkout lines of being behind someone using food stamp cards. And I know a buttload of people renting out Section 8 houses, and the rent checks come from the government. While these tenants may not be technically on welfare, they receive free or almost-free housing and food stamps and they don't work, so the distinction is so fine as to be missed.

Back on topic though, if there were a market for fresh fruits and vegetables in inner cities, the stores would already be selling them. There's a lot of government socialism in the inner cities, but the store owners are pure capitalists. That said, there are numerous single mothers (the most common cause of children in poverty) that are also the product of single mothers, and many of these simply don't known any better. Most of these single mothers are old enough to resist peer pressure for "acting white" and presumably love their children, which suggests that they would be open to education on cooking and eating healthy. Perhaps instead of paying shops to stock healthy foods we could concentrate on education programs in poor neighborhoods, providing some of the healthy foods as mothers learn how to cook them. Admittedly this is more socialist, but to me it sounds better to get the healthy food directly to the people interested in it than to pay for it to rot on shelves. It needs to be coupled with effective law enforcement too, as it's hard to get kids to see the benefit of not being fat if there's no safe place to play outside.
 

ModestGamer

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I don't think the hispanic population will do the same. I think they will out breed the colonialist, anglo-saxon population easily by 2050.
What do you think, Conservador Aguila?
I am willing to bet those birth rates will decline with second generation familys as they always do.

So its not going to happen.
 

Carmen813

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So low wages, high unemployment and poor working conditions have ah heck all to do with it?
What was I thinking- YES~! just get rid of the social security!
Let em eat cake- too easy!
You Americons are ingenious.
Where the hell did I say anything like that?
 

gingermeggs

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I wonder exactly when this changed, 'cause guilt and shame used to be excellent motivators for work. At some point we switched to an entitlement mentality. (Note that this isn't just the welfare people, it's all of us.)

I keep hearing that there are only a couple million people on welfare. If that's true they must all live in Tennessee, because in Chattanooga I have about a 10 or 20 percent chance in the Walmart grocery checkout lines of being behind someone using food stamp cards. And I know a buttload of people renting out Section 8 houses, and the rent checks come from the government. While these tenants may not be technically on welfare, they receive free or almost-free housing and food stamps and they don't work, so the distinction is so fine as to be missed.

Back on topic though, if there were a market for fresh fruits and vegetables in inner cities, the stores would already be selling them. There's a lot of government socialism in the inner cities, but the store owners are pure capitalists. That said, there are numerous single mothers (the most common cause of children in poverty) that are also the product of single mothers, and many of these simply don't known any better. Most of these single mothers are old enough to resist peer pressure for "acting white" and presumably love their children, which suggests that they would be open to education on cooking and eating healthy. Perhaps instead of paying shops to stock healthy foods we could concentrate on education programs in poor neighborhoods, providing some of the healthy foods as mothers learn how to cook them. Admittedly this is more socialist, but to me it sounds better to get the healthy food directly to the people interested in it than to pay for it to rot on shelves. It needs to be coupled with effective law enforcement too, as it's hard to get kids to see the benefit of not being fat if there's no safe place to play outside.
So FDA regulations for sugar, salt, fibre and nutrition contents in food and beverages is the most cost effective all over fix, yes?
If people want it sweeter or saltier they have to add it themselves!
orange juice powder and space food sticks, not coolaid and orios!
 

Carmen813

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I wonder exactly when this changed, 'cause guilt and shame used to be excellent motivators for work. At some point we switched to an entitlement mentality. (Note that this isn't just the welfare people, it's all of us.)

I keep hearing that there are only a couple million people on welfare. If that's true they must all live in Tennessee, because in Chattanooga I have about a 10 or 20 percent chance in the Walmart grocery checkout lines of being behind someone using food stamp cards. And I know a buttload of people renting out Section 8 houses, and the rent checks come from the government. While these tenants may not be technically on welfare, they receive free or almost-free housing and food stamps and they don't work, so the distinction is so fine as to be missed.

Back on topic though, if there were a market for fresh fruits and vegetables in inner cities, the stores would already be selling them. There's a lot of government socialism in the inner cities, but the store owners are pure capitalists. That said, there are numerous single mothers (the most common cause of children in poverty) that are also the product of single mothers, and many of these simply don't known any better. Most of these single mothers are old enough to resist peer pressure for "acting white" and presumably love their children, which suggests that they would be open to education on cooking and eating healthy. Perhaps instead of paying shops to stock healthy foods we could concentrate on education programs in poor neighborhoods, providing some of the healthy foods as mothers learn how to cook them. Admittedly this is more socialist, but to me it sounds better to get the healthy food directly to the people interested in it than to pay for it to rot on shelves. It needs to be coupled with effective law enforcement too, as it's hard to get kids to see the benefit of not being fat if there's no safe place to play outside.
Or maybe dad could cook ...or at least not vanish :) That said, I agree with much of what you said.

Perhaps guilt/shame were once powerful motivators, but I'd disagree that they were ever more effective than other forms of motivation, they were simply easier. I don't really see this as having anything to do with a sense of entitlement. That said, what works for one group isn't necessarily going to work for another.
 

Carmen813

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Your being tangential!
I'm seriously not following you, help me out. I think you misunderstood me, as I've never advocated for the removal of social welfare programs. I've also never said that the conditions you mentioned are irrelevant, they are part of what causes the current situation, in addition to much more.
 

Carmen813

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Welfare opponents not only stereotype welfare recipients, they also imagine that there are far more people on welfare than there actually are. AFDC, for example, had 2 million recipients in 2005, down from 5 million in 1995. The main point being that "welfare" has nowhere near the explanatory power that some people seem to think it does. How can a "culture of entitlement" account for all sorts of socio-economic problems when only a small fraction of the culture is actually receiving the entitlement?

- wolf
Exactly.
 

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