It's not illegal to download a bomb making video, is it????

[acemcmac]

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsartic...N218571_RTRUKOC_0_US-SECURITY-OHIO.xml

3 charged with "jihad conspiracy"
Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:03 PM ET
By Deborah Charles

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A grand jury in Ohio indicted three men for conspiring to kill people and for planning attacks against U.S. forces overseas, court documents showed on Tuesday.

The indictment said the three men -- Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman el-Hindi and Wassim Mazloum -- were part of a conspiracy that began in November 2004 to kill people outside the United States, including U.S. troops in Iraq.

"It was part of the conspiracy that one or more conspirators would recruit others to train for violent jihad against the United States and its allies in Iraq, and elsewhere, and would propose potential training sites for use in providing ongoing firearms, hand-to-hand combat, explosives and other paramilitary training to prospective recruits," the indictment said.

The men were indicted in the U.S. District Court in Ohio and were due to appear in court in Toledo and Cleveland later Tuesday.

U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales will discuss the indictments at a news conference on Tuesday.

According to the indictment, Amawi is a citizen of Jordan and the United States, Mazloum is a legal U.S. resident and el-Hindi is a naturalized U.S. citizen born in Jordan.

They worked with a U.S. citizen identified in the indictment only as "the Trainer." The indictment said the Trainer, who was not charged in the case, had a U.S. military background and was recruited by el-Hindi in 2002 to help provide security and bodyguard training.

As part of the conspiracy, the men researched and solicited potential funding sources for jihad training, the indictment said.

The men were also accused of gathering and viewing training materials, some from Web sites, for use in training sessions.

Amawi was charged with downloading a video, "Martyrdom Operation Vest Preparation," on how to make a suicide bomb vest.

The indictment said the men used code words to communicate with co-conspirators in the Middle East. It said they tried to find and provide various resources and materials requested by the co-conspirators for use in fighting against the U.S. military and coalition forces in Iraq and elsewhere.

The resources included money, training, explosives, communications equipment, computers or personnel.

I'd find something like that really fascinating and would eagerly download such information myself if I ever ran across it. I don't see how that is a crime though.

Thoughtcrime anyone?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: acemcmac
I'd find something like that really fascinating and would eagerly download such information myself if I ever ran across it. I don't see how that is a crime though.

Thoughtcrime anyone?

By itself, downloading the video wouldn't be a crime. But you have to throw in all the other information in the indictment as well. Specifically this bit:

The indictment said the men used code words to communicate with co-conspirators in the Middle East. It said they tried to find and provide various resources and materials requested by the co-conspirators for use in fighting against the U.S. military and coalition forces in Iraq and elsewhere.

The resources included money, training, explosives, communications equipment, computers or personnel.

 

[JDrake]

Chlorine + Alcohol?

 

[MrDingleDangle]

yeah, its hard to believe just downloading it would be anything...I mean who hasnt d/l or come across the anarchists cookbook at some point?

 

[wvtalbot]

He we need to look like we are winning the war on terror (doesn't matter that terror is a metaphor) so we have to arrest some people on a regular basis.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: acemcmac
I'd find something like that really fascinating and would eagerly download such information myself if I ever ran across it. I don't see how that is a crime though.

Thoughtcrime anyone?

By itself, it wouldn't be a crime but you have to throw in all the other information in the indictment as well. Specifically this bit:

The indictment said the men used code words to communicate with co-conspirators in the Middle East. It said they tried to find and provide various resources and materials requested by the co-conspirators for use in fighting against the U.S. military and coalition forces in Iraq and elsewhere.

The resources included money, training, explosives, communications equipment, computers or personnel.

you are gunna get ignored by the left wingers

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: acemcmac
I'd find something like that really fascinating and would eagerly download such information myself if I ever ran across it. I don't see how that is a crime though.

Thoughtcrime anyone?

By itself, it wouldn't be a crime but you have to throw in all the other information in the indictment as well. Specifically this bit:

The indictment said the men used code words to communicate with co-conspirators in the Middle East. It said they tried to find and provide various resources and materials requested by the co-conspirators for use in fighting against the U.S. military and coalition forces in Iraq and elsewhere.

The resources included money, training, explosives, communications equipment, computers or personnel.

you are gunna get ignored by the left wingers

You mean like this dude?

Originally posted by: wvtalbot
He we need to look like we are winning the war on terror (doesn't matter that terror is a metaphor) so we have to arrest some people on a regular basis.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: acemcmac
I'd find something like that really fascinating and would eagerly download such information myself if I ever ran across it. I don't see how that is a crime though.

Thoughtcrime anyone?

By itself, it wouldn't be a crime but you have to throw in all the other information in the indictment as well. Specifically this bit:

The indictment said the men used code words to communicate with co-conspirators in the Middle East. It said they tried to find and provide various resources and materials requested by the co-conspirators for use in fighting against the U.S. military and coalition forces in Iraq and elsewhere.

The resources included money, training, explosives, communications equipment, computers or personnel.

you are gunna get ignored by the left wingers

i don't get your statement.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: acemcmac
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsartic...N218571_RTRUKOC_0_US-SECURITY-OHIO.xml

3 charged with "jihad conspiracy"
Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:03 PM ET
By Deborah Charles

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A grand jury in Ohio indicted three men for conspiring to kill people and for planning attacks against U.S. forces overseas, court documents showed on Tuesday.

The indictment said the three men -- Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman el-Hindi and Wassim Mazloum -- were part of a conspiracy that began in November 2004 to kill people outside the United States, including U.S. troops in Iraq.

"It was part of the conspiracy that one or more conspirators would recruit others to train for violent jihad against the United States and its allies in Iraq, and elsewhere, and would propose potential training sites for use in providing ongoing firearms, hand-to-hand combat, explosives and other paramilitary training to prospective recruits," the indictment said.

The men were indicted in the U.S. District Court in Ohio and were due to appear in court in Toledo and Cleveland later Tuesday.

U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales will discuss the indictments at a news conference on Tuesday.

According to the indictment, Amawi is a citizen of Jordan and the United States, Mazloum is a legal U.S. resident and el-Hindi is a naturalized U.S. citizen born in Jordan.

They worked with a U.S. citizen identified in the indictment only as "the Trainer." The indictment said the Trainer, who was not charged in the case, had a U.S. military background and was recruited by el-Hindi in 2002 to help provide security and bodyguard training.

As part of the conspiracy, the men researched and solicited potential funding sources for jihad training, the indictment said.

The men were also accused of gathering and viewing training materials, some from Web sites, for use in training sessions.

Amawi was charged with downloading a video, "Martyrdom Operation Vest Preparation," on how to make a suicide bomb vest.

The indictment said the men used code words to communicate with co-conspirators in the Middle East. It said they tried to find and provide various resources and materials requested by the co-conspirators for use in fighting against the U.S. military and coalition forces in Iraq and elsewhere.

The resources included money, training, explosives, communications equipment, computers or personnel.

I'd find something like that really fascinating and would eagerly download such information myself if I ever ran across it. I don't see how that is a crime though.

Thoughtcrime anyone?

bahahahaha...with everything that happened with 9/11 and after that damn Patriot Act, i would be afraid to read a news story about a bombing.

 

[BooGiMaN]

well i would think that if you logged into a private al quaeda ftp site that had this video the FBI would be wanting to know how you got the username and password

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: acemcmac
I'd find something like that really fascinating and would eagerly download such information myself if I ever ran across it. I don't see how that is a crime though.

Thoughtcrime anyone?

By itself, it wouldn't be a crime but you have to throw in all the other information in the indictment as well. Specifically this bit:

The indictment said the men used code words to communicate with co-conspirators in the Middle East. It said they tried to find and provide various resources and materials requested by the co-conspirators for use in fighting against the U.S. military and coalition forces in Iraq and elsewhere.

The resources included money, training, explosives, communications equipment, computers or personnel.

you are gunna get ignored by the left wingers

You mean like this dude?

Originally posted by: wvtalbot
He we need to look like we are winning the war on terror (doesn't matter that terror is a metaphor) so we have to arrest some people on a regular basis.

and Pontifex

 

[ahurtt]

If you are of middle-eastern descent then, yes, it probably is illegal.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

It's called criminal conspiracy. Legally you are guilty if you discuss illegal plans and then take any actions toward acting out the plan.*

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: joedrake
Chlorine + Alcohol?

Dammit you just got everybody reading this thread arrested!

 

[AMDZen]

It's not illegal to download a bomb making video, is it????

If it were just three men, perhaps not. However

The indictment said the three men -- Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman el-Hindi and Wassim Mazloum

I know I'll get criticized for being honest about this - if I had seen three guys with those names downloading this content, I would automatically assume the worst. I'm only admitting to what everyone else is thinking.

Seriously though, if I were Islamic I would take extra care to make sure I wasn't around any such content in these times.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: acemcmac
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsartic...N218571_RTRUKOC_0_US-SECURITY-OHIO.xml

3 charged with "jihad conspiracy"
Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:03 PM ET
By Deborah Charles

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A grand jury in Ohio indicted three men for conspiring to kill people and for planning attacks against U.S. forces overseas, court documents showed on Tuesday.

The indictment said the three men -- Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman el-Hindi and Wassim Mazloum -- were part of a conspiracy that began in November 2004 to kill people outside the United States, including U.S. troops in Iraq.

"It was part of the conspiracy that one or more conspirators would recruit others to train for violent jihad against the United States and its allies in Iraq, and elsewhere, and would propose potential training sites for use in providing ongoing firearms, hand-to-hand combat, explosives and other paramilitary training to prospective recruits," the indictment said.

The men were indicted in the U.S. District Court in Ohio and were due to appear in court in Toledo and Cleveland later Tuesday.

U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales will discuss the indictments at a news conference on Tuesday.

According to the indictment, Amawi is a citizen of Jordan and the United States, Mazloum is a legal U.S. resident and el-Hindi is a naturalized U.S. citizen born in Jordan.

They worked with a U.S. citizen identified in the indictment only as "the Trainer." The indictment said the Trainer, who was not charged in the case, had a U.S. military background and was recruited by el-Hindi in 2002 to help provide security and bodyguard training.

As part of the conspiracy, the men researched and solicited potential funding sources for jihad training, the indictment said.

The men were also accused of gathering and viewing training materials, some from Web sites, for use in training sessions.

Amawi was charged with downloading a video, "Martyrdom Operation Vest Preparation," on how to make a suicide bomb vest.

The indictment said the men used code words to communicate with co-conspirators in the Middle East. It said they tried to find and provide various resources and materials requested by the co-conspirators for use in fighting against the U.S. military and coalition forces in Iraq and elsewhere.

The resources included money, training, explosives, communications equipment, computers or personnel.

I'd find something like that really fascinating and would eagerly download such information myself if I ever ran across it. I don't see how that is a crime though.

Thoughtcrime anyone?

awesome. kudos to the tipster.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: acemcmac
I'd find something like that really fascinating and would eagerly download such information myself if I ever ran across it. I don't see how that is a crime though.

Thoughtcrime anyone?

By itself, downloading the video wouldn't be a crime. But you have to throw in all the other information in the indictment as well. Specifically this bit:

The indictment said the men used code words to communicate with co-conspirators in the Middle East. It said they tried to find and provide various resources and materials requested by the co-conspirators for use in fighting against the U.S. military and coalition forces in Iraq and elsewhere.

The resources included money, training, explosives, communications equipment, computers or personnel.

I hope they got more "evidence" than claiming that "selam aleikum" is a keyword for "send money, training, explosives, communications equipment, computers and personnel."

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

It's not illegal to download a bomb making video, is it????

If it were just three men, perhaps not. However

The indictment said the three men -- Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman el-Hindi and Wassim Mazloum

I know I'll get criticized for being honest about this - if I had seen three guys with those names downloading this content, I would automatically assume the worst. I'm only admitting to what everyone else is thinking.

Seriously though, if I were Islamic I would take extra care to make sure I wasn't around any such content in these times.

no, you speak for yourself and a small minority of those that are closed minded and ignorant. It's called Fallacy of Composition. Just because you're prejudiced, don't assume we all are.

 

[Vic]

They were found guilt of being Muslim in the first degree.

 

[JS80]

1) Be Muslim
2) Conspire to jihad
3) Download "How to be a Jihadi"
4) Go to jail

It's pretty much a fvcking no brainer.

 

[fleshconsumed]

I would actually like to see the evidence other than "they downloaded the 'stupid video' part".

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: acemcmac
I'd find something like that really fascinating and would eagerly download such information myself if I ever ran across it. I don't see how that is a crime though.

Thoughtcrime anyone?

By itself, downloading the video wouldn't be a crime. But you have to throw in all the other information in the indictment as well. Specifically this bit:

The indictment said the men used code words to communicate with co-conspirators in the Middle East. It said they tried to find and provide various resources and materials requested by the co-conspirators for use in fighting against the U.S. military and coalition forces in Iraq and elsewhere.

The resources included money, training, explosives, communications equipment, computers or personnel.

I hope they got more "evidence" than claiming that "selam aleikum" is a keyword for "send money, training, explosives, communications equipment, computers and personnel."

So what are they NOT sending? You'd think they'd develop a self-contained "terrorism package", say something that would fit in a shipping crate...includes 2 computers with internet access, planning materials, 1 bomb expert, 1 hacker, 2 suicide bombers, and 50 kg of TNT. Batteries not included. Small parts may cause choking hazard.

 

[Eli]

Quick, let's throw them off! Everyone go google this video and "bomb making video"!

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Eli
Quick, let's throw them off! Everyone go google this video and "bomb making video"!

Even better, let's change our names to Mohammed first.

 

[drnickriviera]

Deletes copy of Anarchist Cookbook