It's My Life. Butt Out???

[gutharius]

I wonder... What does it mean when someone says "Get a life!"? I mean, it's my life, shouldn't I be able to decide what I do with my life and how I do it? If I choose to play computer games, watch porn, do drugs, or just sleep all day long, does this mean I am squandering my life?

What does it mean to squander one's life? Can you really squander something which is subjectively and objectively in it's entirty yours to spend and use as you and you alone see fit? Especially if doing so makes you feel content, even happy?

Why does government have a role in deciding how or in what way I should "Get a Life!"? Why is it that our government has given the masses the right to decide what I do with and in my life, the life given to me, to make me happy and content in this world? Do you think this is fair? Even more so do you think it is MORAL or even ETHICAL? If so or not state why, I honestly would like to know.

As for my opinion, I would give a thumbs up to "Butt Out!" because it is what I chose to do with my life that is right, moral, and ethical to me not to your morals or values. It is my life and the consequences of my decisions are for me and me alone to bear. You should not feel the urge to "SAVE" me or prevent me from experiencing those things I seek out. After all how would you feel if I tried to stop you from seeking out your own personal state of contentment or happiness?

No, it is not my place nor yours to step in the way of me doing as I see fit with my life. The life I was given to do with as I see fit. You may have your opinion of what a life should include or should not include but really it is my life and no one has the right to tell me what or how I should spend it.

Please Post and Discuss.

Edit: I wonder would anyone support abolishing the governmental pursuit and establishment of civil rights and replacing it with something to the effect of "Government shall make no law restricting the pursuit of happiness as long as said persuit does not cause physical harm or duress to another."?

 

[Kadarin]

Noble thoughts, but it is human nature to want to tell other people what to do and how to do it. It's power + control, under the guise of dubious "morality".

 

[nageov3t]

hm.

n/m

 

[gutharius]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Noble thoughts, but it is human nature to want to tell other people what to do and how to do it. It's power + control, under the guise of dubious "morality".

I don't think it is. I remember a time when most people ignored what went on in other peoples lives because they knew it was "None of my business." Oh sure they were madly curious, after all we are human, but still they kept to themselves about it. It seems this aspect of our society has changed in the last 8 years. Changed to point where everyone has a implied or infered right to tell me what to do with my life.

 

[gutharius]

Originally posted by: loki8481
hm.

n/m

Ahh! *Wonders what great insight of Loki's I missed out on.*

 

[JavaMomma]

I don't care what you do it is your life, as long as you are not hurting anyone else, do what you want.

Of course some people will want to push their "moral values" on you and tell you how to live your life.

 

[gutharius]

Originally posted by: JavaMomma
I don't care what you do it is your life, as long as you are not hurting anyone else, do what you want.

Of course some people will want to push their "moral values" on you and tell you how to live your life.

I wonder would anyone support abolishing the governmental pursuit and establishment of civil rights and replacing it with something to the effect of "Government shall make no law restricting the pursuit of happiness as long as said persuit does not cause physical harm or duress to another."?

 

[CycloWizard]

I would argue that society makes an investment in the life of every individual in some way. Therefore, it has a vested interest in that individual making a contribution to society. If I pay taxes that support a school and some kid skips school to smoke pot (read: most of my friends in high school), then my investment is being squandered. You could argue that maybe we shouldn't force kids to go to school in the first place. Then, I could argue that people with no education are much more likely to end up committing crimes. This affects me as I have to pay for law enforcement, repair of vandalism, or what have you. You cannot isolate the actions of one individual from that of society unless that individual completely removes himself from society (i.e. moving out in the woods). All actions you perform have consequences not only for you but for everyone. The consequences may not be readily apparent, but I challenge you to demonstrate an example of an action that is completely private - that affects no one but you in any way.

 

[gutharius]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I would argue that society makes an investment in the life of every individual in some way. Therefore, it has a vested interest in that individual making a contribution to society. If I pay taxes that support a school and some kid skips school to smoke pot (read: most of my friends in high school), then my investment is being squandered. You could argue that maybe we shouldn't force kids to go to school in the first place. Then, I could argue that people with no education are much more likely to end up committing crimes. This affects me as I have to pay for law enforcement, repair of vandalism, or what have you. You cannot isolate the actions of one individual from that of society unless that individual completely removes himself from society (i.e. moving out in the woods). All actions you perform have consequences not only for you but for everyone. The consequences may not be readily apparent, but I challenge you to demonstrate an example of an action that is completely private - that affects no one but you in any way.

You make an investment to pay back what was given to you by your forefathers. Your investment, if that is not the most insulting thing I have ever heard, does not grant you a right to say what I do with my life. Your measly few dollars spent on a public school education does not, by a long shot, give you the right to rule over me.

As for direct consequences, that is my choice to bear and my choice alone. As I stated ^^^above^^^ as long as it does not cause you physical harm to you then it does not give you or the government the right to legislate over me.

 

[chess9]

Here's the test for your values:

What will you be telling your children is the right thing to do?

Will you tell them it's ok to skip algebra today because it's a test on polynomials? Forget taking out the trash at 6 a.m. before they go to school? (So, what are a few rats, viruses, bacteria?) Don't worry about stopping at that stop sign-we might survive the crash?

Where does a meaningful life begin? At the edge of your bed each morning?

What did you do, read another Ayn Rand book?

Such thinking would be death in Japan and many other countries, btw.

Interesting question, as always, though.

-Robert

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: gutharius
I wonder... What does it mean when someone says "Get a life!"? I mean, it's my life, shouldn't I be able to decide what I do with my life and how I do it? If I choose to play computer games, watch porn, do drugs, or just sleep all day long, does this mean I am squandering my life?

What does it mean to squander one's life? Can you really squander something which is subjectively and objectively in it's entirty yours to spend and use as you and you alone see fit? Especially if doing so makes you feel content, even happy?

Why does government have a role in deciding how or in what way I should "Get a Life!"? Why is it that our government has given the masses the right to decide what I do with and in my life, the life given to me, to make me happy and content in this world? Do you think this is fair? Even more so do you think it is MORAL or even ETHICAL? If so or not state why, I honestly would like to know.

As for my opinion, I would give a thumbs up to "Butt Out!" because it is what I chose to do with my life that is right, moral, and ethical to me not to your morals or values. It is my life and the consequences of my decisions are for me and me alone to bear. You should not feel the urge to "SAVE" me or prevent me from experiencing those things I seek out. After all how would you feel if I tried to stop you from seeking out your own personal state of contentment or happiness?

No, it is not my place nor yours to step in the way of me doing as I see fit with my life. The life I was given to do with as I see fit. You may have your opinion of what a life should include or should not include but really it is my life and no one has the right to tell me what or how I should spend it.

Please Post and Discuss.

Edit: I wonder would anyone support abolishing the governmental pursuit and establishment of civil rights and replacing it with something to the effect of "Government shall make no law restricting the pursuit of happiness as long as said persuit does not cause physical harm or duress to another."?

Two things...

1) Wait until you have children (although if you live your life like that, you probably won't)

2) When you are forty years old, you'll probably think, "man, what was I doing, wasting my life like that."

While you have the right to do all those things (except certain drugs), I am VERY GLAD that others have decided to do more with their life.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: gutharius
I wonder... What does it mean when someone says "Get a life!"? I mean, it's my life, shouldn't I be able to decide what I do with my life and how I do it? If I choose to play computer games, watch porn, do drugs, or just sleep all day long, does this mean I am squandering my life?

What does it mean to squander one's life? Can you really squander something which is subjectively and objectively in it's entirty yours to spend and use as you and you alone see fit? Especially if doing so makes you feel content, even happy?

Why does government have a role in deciding how or in what way I should "Get a Life!"? Why is it that our government has given the masses the right to decide what I do with and in my life, the life given to me, to make me happy and content in this world? Do you think this is fair? Even more so do you think it is MORAL or even ETHICAL? If so or not state why, I honestly would like to know.

As for my opinion, I would give a thumbs up to "Butt Out!" because it is what I chose to do with my life that is right, moral, and ethical to me not to your morals or values. It is my life and the consequences of my decisions are for me and me alone to bear. You should not feel the urge to "SAVE" me or prevent me from experiencing those things I seek out. After all how would you feel if I tried to stop you from seeking out your own personal state of contentment or happiness?

No, it is not my place nor yours to step in the way of me doing as I see fit with my life. The life I was given to do with as I see fit. You may have your opinion of what a life should include or should not include but really it is my life and no one has the right to tell me what or how I should spend it.

Please Post and Discuss.

Edit: I wonder would anyone support abolishing the governmental pursuit and establishment of civil rights and replacing it with something to the effect of "Government shall make no law restricting the pursuit of happiness as long as said persuit does not cause physical harm or duress to another."?

Two things...

1) Wait until you have children (although if you live your life like that, you probably won't)

2) When you are forty years old, you'll probably think, "man, what was I doing, wasting my life like that."

While you have the right to do all those things (except certain drugs), I am VERY GLAD that others have decided to do more with their life.

So you agree with him then.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: gutharius
I wonder... What does it mean when someone says "Get a life!"? I mean, it's my life, shouldn't I be able to decide what I do with my life and how I do it? If I choose to play computer games, watch porn, do drugs, or just sleep all day long, does this mean I am squandering my life?

What does it mean to squander one's life? Can you really squander something which is subjectively and objectively in it's entirty yours to spend and use as you and you alone see fit? Especially if doing so makes you feel content, even happy?

Why does government have a role in deciding how or in what way I should "Get a Life!"? Why is it that our government has given the masses the right to decide what I do with and in my life, the life given to me, to make me happy and content in this world? Do you think this is fair? Even more so do you think it is MORAL or even ETHICAL? If so or not state why, I honestly would like to know.

As for my opinion, I would give a thumbs up to "Butt Out!" because it is what I chose to do with my life that is right, moral, and ethical to me not to your morals or values. It is my life and the consequences of my decisions are for me and me alone to bear. You should not feel the urge to "SAVE" me or prevent me from experiencing those things I seek out. After all how would you feel if I tried to stop you from seeking out your own personal state of contentment or happiness?

No, it is not my place nor yours to step in the way of me doing as I see fit with my life. The life I was given to do with as I see fit. You may have your opinion of what a life should include or should not include but really it is my life and no one has the right to tell me what or how I should spend it.

Please Post and Discuss.

Edit: I wonder would anyone support abolishing the governmental pursuit and establishment of civil rights and replacing it with something to the effect of "Government shall make no law restricting the pursuit of happiness as long as said persuit does not cause physical harm or duress to another."?

Two things...

1) Wait until you have children (although if you live your life like that, you probably won't)

2) When you are forty years old, you'll probably think, "man, what was I doing, wasting my life like that."

While you have the right to do all those things (except certain drugs), I am VERY GLAD that others have decided to do more with their life.

I would say that there are a large amount of people out there that have run their lives on the "up-and-up" and the "utmost of responsibility", that look back and think... "man, what am I doing, I'm wasting my life."

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: gutharius
I wonder... What does it mean when someone says "Get a life!"? I mean, it's my life, shouldn't I be able to decide what I do with my life and how I do it? If I choose to play computer games, watch porn, do drugs, or just sleep all day long, does this mean I am squandering my life?

What does it mean to squander one's life? Can you really squander something which is subjectively and objectively in it's entirty yours to spend and use as you and you alone see fit? Especially if doing so makes you feel content, even happy?

Why does government have a role in deciding how or in what way I should "Get a Life!"? Why is it that our government has given the masses the right to decide what I do with and in my life, the life given to me, to make me happy and content in this world? Do you think this is fair? Even more so do you think it is MORAL or even ETHICAL? If so or not state why, I honestly would like to know.

As for my opinion, I would give a thumbs up to "Butt Out!" because it is what I chose to do with my life that is right, moral, and ethical to me not to your morals or values. It is my life and the consequences of my decisions are for me and me alone to bear. You should not feel the urge to "SAVE" me or prevent me from experiencing those things I seek out. After all how would you feel if I tried to stop you from seeking out your own personal state of contentment or happiness?

No, it is not my place nor yours to step in the way of me doing as I see fit with my life. The life I was given to do with as I see fit. You may have your opinion of what a life should include or should not include but really it is my life and no one has the right to tell me what or how I should spend it.

Please Post and Discuss.

Edit: I wonder would anyone support abolishing the governmental pursuit and establishment of civil rights and replacing it with something to the effect of "Government shall make no law restricting the pursuit of happiness as long as said persuit does not cause physical harm or duress to another."?

Two things...

1) Wait until you have children (although if you live your life like that, you probably won't)

2) When you are forty years old, you'll probably think, "man, what was I doing, wasting my life like that."

While you have the right to do all those things (except certain drugs), I am VERY GLAD that others have decided to do more with their life.

So you agree with him then.

Yeah, he has the right to do those things. But how the hell can he continue like that. He needs a job. If he has a job, and can afford to do all that, fine. But without a job, he'll have no money to continue doing all those things. Unless, he sleeps, ALL DAY, on the street. And "playing video games all day" calls for breaking into someone's house and playing their PS2.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: gutharius
I wonder... What does it mean when someone says "Get a life!"? I mean, it's my life, shouldn't I be able to decide what I do with my life and how I do it? If I choose to play computer games, watch porn, do drugs, or just sleep all day long, does this mean I am squandering my life?

What does it mean to squander one's life? Can you really squander something which is subjectively and objectively in it's entirty yours to spend and use as you and you alone see fit? Especially if doing so makes you feel content, even happy?

Why does government have a role in deciding how or in what way I should "Get a Life!"? Why is it that our government has given the masses the right to decide what I do with and in my life, the life given to me, to make me happy and content in this world? Do you think this is fair? Even more so do you think it is MORAL or even ETHICAL? If so or not state why, I honestly would like to know.

As for my opinion, I would give a thumbs up to "Butt Out!" because it is what I chose to do with my life that is right, moral, and ethical to me not to your morals or values. It is my life and the consequences of my decisions are for me and me alone to bear. You should not feel the urge to "SAVE" me or prevent me from experiencing those things I seek out. After all how would you feel if I tried to stop you from seeking out your own personal state of contentment or happiness?

No, it is not my place nor yours to step in the way of me doing as I see fit with my life. The life I was given to do with as I see fit. You may have your opinion of what a life should include or should not include but really it is my life and no one has the right to tell me what or how I should spend it.

Please Post and Discuss.

Edit: I wonder would anyone support abolishing the governmental pursuit and establishment of civil rights and replacing it with something to the effect of "Government shall make no law restricting the pursuit of happiness as long as said persuit does not cause physical harm or duress to another."?

Two things...

1) Wait until you have children (although if you live your life like that, you probably won't)

2) When you are forty years old, you'll probably think, "man, what was I doing, wasting my life like that."

While you have the right to do all those things (except certain drugs), I am VERY GLAD that others have decided to do more with their life.

I would say that there are a large amount of people out there that have run their lives on the "up-and-up" and the "utmost of responsibility", that look back and think... "man, what am I doing, I'm wasting my life."

I disagree. I don't think "there are a large amount of people out there that have run their lives on the "up-and-up" and the "utmost of responsibility." Period.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: gutharius
I wonder... What does it mean when someone says "Get a life!"? I mean, it's my life, shouldn't I be able to decide what I do with my life and how I do it? If I choose to play computer games, watch porn, do drugs, or just sleep all day long, does this mean I am squandering my life?

What does it mean to squander one's life? Can you really squander something which is subjectively and objectively in it's entirty yours to spend and use as you and you alone see fit? Especially if doing so makes you feel content, even happy?

Why does government have a role in deciding how or in what way I should "Get a Life!"? Why is it that our government has given the masses the right to decide what I do with and in my life, the life given to me, to make me happy and content in this world? Do you think this is fair? Even more so do you think it is MORAL or even ETHICAL? If so or not state why, I honestly would like to know.

As for my opinion, I would give a thumbs up to "Butt Out!" because it is what I chose to do with my life that is right, moral, and ethical to me not to your morals or values. It is my life and the consequences of my decisions are for me and me alone to bear. You should not feel the urge to "SAVE" me or prevent me from experiencing those things I seek out. After all how would you feel if I tried to stop you from seeking out your own personal state of contentment or happiness?

No, it is not my place nor yours to step in the way of me doing as I see fit with my life. The life I was given to do with as I see fit. You may have your opinion of what a life should include or should not include but really it is my life and no one has the right to tell me what or how I should spend it.

Please Post and Discuss.

Edit: I wonder would anyone support abolishing the governmental pursuit and establishment of civil rights and replacing it with something to the effect of "Government shall make no law restricting the pursuit of happiness as long as said persuit does not cause physical harm or duress to another."?

Two things...

1) Wait until you have children (although if you live your life like that, you probably won't)

2) When you are forty years old, you'll probably think, "man, what was I doing, wasting my life like that."

While you have the right to do all those things (except certain drugs), I am VERY GLAD that others have decided to do more with their life.

I would say that there are a large amount of people out there that have run their lives on the "up-and-up" and the "utmost of responsibility", that look back and think... "man, what am I doing, I'm wasting my life."

I disagree. I don't think "there are a large amount of people out there that have run their lives on the "up-and-up" and the "utmost of responsibility." Period.

Are you including yourself?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: gutharius
No, it is not my place nor yours to step in the way of me doing as I see fit with my life. The life I was given to do with as I see fit. You may have your opinion of what a life should include or should not include but really it is my life and no one has the right to tell me what or how I should spend it.

Jesus H Christ, where have you been??? The Religious Radical FLL Faithful Right has clearly made it their job and have the power to control every aspect of your life and everyone in the U.S. is perfectly fine with that.

Are you a disenter? Then be prepared for the consequences.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: gutharius
I wonder... What does it mean when someone says "Get a life!"? I mean, it's my life, shouldn't I be able to decide what I do with my life and how I do it? If I choose to play computer games, watch porn, do drugs, or just sleep all day long, does this mean I am squandering my life?

What does it mean to squander one's life? Can you really squander something which is subjectively and objectively in it's entirty yours to spend and use as you and you alone see fit? Especially if doing so makes you feel content, even happy?

Why does government have a role in deciding how or in what way I should "Get a Life!"? Why is it that our government has given the masses the right to decide what I do with and in my life, the life given to me, to make me happy and content in this world? Do you think this is fair? Even more so do you think it is MORAL or even ETHICAL? If so or not state why, I honestly would like to know.

As for my opinion, I would give a thumbs up to "Butt Out!" because it is what I chose to do with my life that is right, moral, and ethical to me not to your morals or values. It is my life and the consequences of my decisions are for me and me alone to bear. You should not feel the urge to "SAVE" me or prevent me from experiencing those things I seek out. After all how would you feel if I tried to stop you from seeking out your own personal state of contentment or happiness?

No, it is not my place nor yours to step in the way of me doing as I see fit with my life. The life I was given to do with as I see fit. You may have your opinion of what a life should include or should not include but really it is my life and no one has the right to tell me what or how I should spend it.

Please Post and Discuss.

Edit: I wonder would anyone support abolishing the governmental pursuit and establishment of civil rights and replacing it with something to the effect of "Government shall make no law restricting the pursuit of happiness as long as said persuit does not cause physical harm or duress to another."?

Two things...

1) Wait until you have children (although if you live your life like that, you probably won't)

2) When you are forty years old, you'll probably think, "man, what was I doing, wasting my life like that."

While you have the right to do all those things (except certain drugs), I am VERY GLAD that others have decided to do more with their life.

I would say that there are a large amount of people out there that have run their lives on the "up-and-up" and the "utmost of responsibility", that look back and think... "man, what am I doing, I'm wasting my life."

I disagree. I don't think "there are a large amount of people out there that have run their lives on the "up-and-up" and the "utmost of responsibility." Period.

Are you including yourself?

Oh, definitely.

 

[bamacre]

The Religious Radical FLL Faithful Right has clearly made it their job and have the power to control every aspect of your life and everyone in the U.S. is perfectly fine with that.

Are all 13852 posts of yours like that? Huh, and I thought spam was a waste of bandwidth.

You are self-delusional.

 

[Tom]

"Why does government have a role in deciding how or in what way I should "Get a Life!"?"

Because your actions/inactions affect more than just you.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Tom
"Why does government have a role in deciding how or in what way I should "Get a Life!"?"

Because your actions/inactions affect more than just you.

Exactly. Where does "me" become "we?" iow, when does personal responsibility cross into social responsibility? If you make your personal choices to squander yor life should you expect society to come rescue you when those choices begin to take a toll on you personally? Or since you made your decisions only with regards to what you wanted, should society just ignore you and not have any responsibility towards you whatsoever?

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Yeah, he has the right to do those things. But how the hell can he continue like that. He needs a job. If he has a job, and can afford to do all that, fine. But without a job, he'll have no money to continue doing all those things. Unless, he sleeps, ALL DAY, on the street. And "playing video games all day" calls for breaking into someone's house and playing their PS2.

Is he actually playing computer games, watching porn, taking drugs, and sleeping ALL DAY tho? I assumed it was more a hypothetical scenario, as in, if he wanted to do all that stuff all day it would be his right.

 

[Miramonti]

Generally speaking, as long as you live in a society, your issues are society's issues, and society has a right to evaluate which issues need control or restrictions over, for the benefit of the society.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: gutharius
You make an investment to pay back what was given to you by your forefathers. Your investment, if that is not the most insulting thing I have ever heard, does not grant you a right to say what I do with my life. Your measly few dollars spent on a public school education does not, by a long shot, give you the right to rule over me.

As for direct consequences, that is my choice to bear and my choice alone. As I stated ^^^above^^^ as long as it does not cause you physical harm to you then it does not give you or the government the right to legislate over me.

Your 'physical harm' test fails miserably upon inspection. By this standard, I could come into your house while you're gone and take everything I wanted. Since I didn't physically harm you, it should be ok, right? Or maybe I'll just kill your dog, since it's not a person and I wouldn't be physically harming a member of society. Point is, your criteria for judging whether or not an action is 'personal' is inherently flawed and society has no choice but to regulate the actions of people, else actions like I mentioned would lead to physical violence. You can argue how tightly they should be regulated, but not that it should not be regulated at all except with respect to physical harm. Further, the consequences cannot be yours and yours alone. As I stated, any action you undertake will inevitably have consequences on other people. Therefore, it is in my best interest to make sure you can't do something that will negatively affect me. For example, driving drunk. Should it only be a crime if and when you hit someone and kill them, or should the action itself be illegal due to the potential consequences?

 

[piasabird]

So if you choose not to get a job or improve your status in life, then you are choosing to starve to death. Therefore, we should let you do that. Ever read the story about the hen that planted the wheat and in the end enjoyed the bread. Also how about the story about the Ants and the Grasshopper. The Grasshopper just played and ate in the summer, while the Ants build a home and store food. The Ants stay well fed and warm all winter and the grasshopper dies.