It's Jerusalem Day in the Middle East today

[b0mbrman]

In 1979, a declaration was made by late Iranian leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, which set aside the last Friday of the Islamic holy fasting month of Ramadan as Jerusalem Day.

Here's how they're celebrating on the Lebanon Israel border.
Again. Come out and get your faces painted, kids.

In South Beirut

In the city of Sidon

In Pakistan

 

[darren]

hizbollah successfully fought and killed israeli occupiers of southern lebanon for years, culminating in israel's withdrawal from the sovereign land of southern lebanon.

if nothing else, they have a lot to be proud of - they were able to succeed where syria (for the golan), jordan (west bank), and egypt (sinai) failed to do - rid their land of israeli occupation through FORCE against the best equipped and trained (via our tax dollars) military force.

 

[Amused]

<< hizbollah successfully fought and killed israeli occupiers of southern lebanon for years, culminating in israel's withdrawal from the sovereign land of southern lebanon.

if nothing else, they have a lot to be proud of - they were able to succeed where syria (for the golan), jordan (west bank), and egypt (sinai) failed to do - rid their land of israeli occupation through FORCE against the best equipped and trained (via our tax dollars) military force. >>



Good gawd, more revisionism by Darren.

Israel invaded Lebenon because the PLO were launching attacks from within their boarders. Firing shells into Israeli towns and staging terrorist attacks. Repeatedly they sought cease fires, and repeatedly the PLO broke them. So Israel started limited raids into Lebenon. After Israel launched one such assault on June 4-5, 1982, the PLO responded with a massive artillery and mortar attack on the Israeli civilian population of the Galilee. On June 6, the IDF moved into Lebanon to drive out the terrorists.

Israel pulled out of Lebenon NOT because they were forced out, but because their mission was essentially completed. They had done all they could to purge the PLO aggressors and had no will to occupy Lebenon.

 

[b0mbrman]

Truly, they're real heroes in Lebanon. That's why there's so much conflict when our US gov't says for them to stop supporting the Hezbollah. People think of them as a political party in Lebanon.

rid their land of israeli occupation through FORCE against the best equipped and trained (via our tax dollars) military force.

Israeli forces have been the best in the world for a long time, even before American support...An amazing feat too considering that a huge fraction of their regular citizens have been trained--reserve or full time

Think about that! Every average Joe on the street is a better soldier than the people in most Armies!

Also, you might say that it's not really a fair comparison since the Israeli Army has only had to go against Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon at once...

 

[darren]

israelis unite!

 

[darren]

done in southern lebanon eh?

are they gonna be done with the other lands that they occupied any time soon? are they going to choose to leave west bank and the golan?

no i think increasing settlements during talks meant to mend relations and return the land is a pretty good sign that israel is 'here to stay' in west bank.
oh whoops. perhaps i offended some folks here by calling it west bank. lets use its 'real' name: 'Judea and Samaria'.

 

[jjones]

<<
hizbollah successfully fought and killed israeli occupiers of southern lebanon for years, culminating in israel's withdrawal from the sovereign land of southern lebanon.

if nothing else, they have a lot to be proud of - they were able to succeed where syria (for the golan), jordan (west bank), and egypt (sinai) failed to do - rid their land of israeli occupation through FORCE against the best equipped and trained (via our tax dollars) military force.
>>


lol, you're kidding right?

 

[Aelus]

As i said, the only permanent solution is to give those kids a different future than "fighing the opressor", however, in refugee camps, they have a close to 0 chance to "be succesful in a normal life", therefor, the only thing they think they can do with their life, is to kill themselves for the cause...

sadly, the international community will never want to spend the funds necessary to get those people out of those camps.

Aelus

 

[b0mbrman]

<< As i said, the only permanent solution is to give those kids a different future than "fighing the opressor", however, in refugee camps, they have a close to 0 chance to "be succesful in a normal life", therefor, the only thing they think they can do with their life, is to kill themselves for the cause...
sadly, the international community will never want to spend the funds necessary to get those people out of those camps.
Aelus >>



That's funny, I used to agree with you...but have you looked at the profiles of the 19 guys that were on the planes that plowed into the World Trade Center, Pentagon, Pennsylvania mud? All of them were middle class.

Link to a story on the topic from the Beeb.

So what you're saying is that we have to make everyone in the Arab world a millionaire and *then* they'd stop with those zany terrorist acts?

Oh wait, I guess Osama Bin Laden's case proves that's not true either....

darn

 

[Aelus]

Only a small number of those people knew they were going to die beforehand, the others didn't get to choose. There are always loonies around, but what do you prefer, 8 loonies, or 8000 people with nothing to lose?

Btw, i'm not saying they should get a million each, just saying if they could get a decent bit of land, and maybe a job opportunity, much could be done.

Aelus

 

[Amused]

<< Only a small number of those people knew they were going to die beforehand, the others didn't get to choose. There are always loonies around, but what do you prefer, 8 loonies, or 8000 people with nothing to lose?

Btw, i'm not saying they should get a million each, just saying if they could get a decent bit of land, and maybe a job opportunity, much could be done.

Aelus >>



So, Aelus, you are essentially advocating the support of armed robbery?

"Give us your money, or well kill innocent civilians!"

Sorry, but give a terrorist anything, and you'll only justify his acts.

And I'll remind you that MOST of Bin Laden's group, including the vast majority of his trainees, were from middle class families in SA, Egypt, Jordan and Syria. In fact, did you hear of even one Palestinian among his inner, or outer circle?

 

[etech]

Aelus
"Only a small number of those people knew they were going to die beforehand, the others didn't get to choose"


Transcript of UBL tape
UBL: The brothers, who conducted the operation, all they knew was that they have a martyrdom operation and we asked each of them to go to America but they didn?t know anything about the operation, not even one letter.

mar·tyr·dom (m&auml;r¹ter-dem) noun
1. a. The state of being a martyr. b. The suffering of death by a martyr.

martyr (m&auml;r´ter) noun
1. One who chooses to suffer death rather than renounce religious principles.


Would you like to try again? They did not know the details of the mission they had volunteered for, but they knew they were going on a 'martyrdom' mission to the United States.

I see your comments as just another case of trying to make the perpetrators of terrorism into the victims.

 

[b0mbrman]

Truly. Whenever the news talks about the back and forth killings, it's always vexsome...How do you compare someone *trying* to kill innocent civilians to someone who kills them as a happenstance of going after terrorists?

Given the choice, the terrorists would love to kill *more* innocents
Given the choice, the IDF would love to not kill any innocents (only the militants they're going after)