Its happening: GTX 980Ti already listed in China!!

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2is

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I don't believe it. Why on earth would nVidia sell a card that is faster than titan for less? It was ok with the original Titan and the 780Ti, because the Titan had other features that the 780 didn't have. So it appealed to a different market.

A Titan X however has none of those other features to set it apart. Its a gaming card only.
980Ti probably halves the RAM of Titan X
 

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Again, to avoid NDA issues etc.
I don't think Chinese vendors are typically concerned with NDA as much as NA retailers tend to be. Things seem pretty lax over there when it comes to that sorta thing. More than likely, the retailer knows something is coming but doesn't know the details so they pulled the VC specs as a placeholder. I could easily see a cut down version of GM200 boosting to 1200 MHz which really is no big deal since every single Titan X pretty much can run at 1.4 GHz on the stock cooler. Even if by chance it is a full GM200, 1200 MHz is very doable since NVIDIA seemed to have purposely underclocked the Titan X. I wouldn't count on reference version's clocking any better than the Titan X, maybe custom AIB versions by Asus, Gigabyte etc will reach 1600+ but that wouldn't happen this summer.
 
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Subyman

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Store page doesn't show anything that we didn't already "know." If it is $799, then it'll be an easy wait and see what AMD does for me.
 

Hitman928

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The picture could be fake for sure but the listing shouldnt be. Its a big hardware retailer selling many graphic cards so they should be reliable. Probably a way to avoid problems with NDA and detection etc

http://m.intl.taobao.com/detail/detail.html?id=44869761305#detail

From the store page:



It appears to be from a "marketplace" seller as well, not the actual retailer. I've seen this many times, a chinese seller tries to capitalize on the rumors hoping to get some money with no idea of when they'll actually be able to fulfill the order or even final specs. Maybe it is just around the corner, but I don't think this listing says anything, IMO.
 
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2is

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im still on that gtx 680 sli
As am I, but the 2GB VRAM hurts in a couple newer games. Titan X is out of the question for me. Now I'm just holding out to see how the battle between the 390x and 980Ti plays out. Plan is to stick with these 680's until Windows 10 is out as I think games utilizing DX12 are really going to push VRAM usage to a new level being able to draw so many more unique objects on the screen.
 

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From the store page:

If this is real, IN PARTICULAR THE PRICE :) I am starting to save up now. 6GB, 384-bit, 336GB/s sounds sexy...and I JUST got a GTX 970. However I don't believe this card will be priced that low. Nvidia NEVER released top cards at (almost) decent prices....
 

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I don't believe it. Why on earth would nVidia sell a card that is faster than titan for less? It was ok with the original Titan and the 780Ti, because the Titan had other features that the 780 didn't have. So it appealed to a different market.

A Titan X however has none of those other features to set it apart. Its a gaming card only.
They did exactly that with the original Titan models and the 780 and 780 Ti. The only difference this time around is they had a significant amount of DP performance they could cut out to differentiate the cards for different markets.

This time around, I'm curious if they will cut any compute performance to differentiate the products. Ultimately, they might simply settle on the brand (Titan vs numbered series) serving as the sole differentiation.
 

RussianSensation

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I also don't think 6 GB will be the sweet spot for 4K gaming as GTA V already reaches that limit with some MSAA added into the mix. I regularly reach 5.4 GB at 1440P alone with that game. With these new generation titles, we're looking at a shift where 6 GB = 1080p and maybe 1440p with no MSAA and 8GB+ for 1440p+DSR or MSAA/4K and 12GB+ for surround.
GTA V is one of the worst examples you could have used not only because it uses VRAM dynamically, but also because it uses VRAM differently depending on the GPU maker. You can easily get 5-6GB of VRAM usage in GTA V at 4K but it doesn't at all mean it's "required."

Also, the game uses way more VRAM on NV cards than AMD.



It's absolutely wrong to assume that if MSI AB is showing 6-8GB of VRAM usage in the game that the game actually requires that much to run smoothly. The way the driver handles VRAM allocation for a specific game also matters. Right now 12GB is largely a waste due to poor SLI scaling with 3-4 Titan Xs (i.e., you can't get 70-90% scaling where the extra horsepower is beneficial to actually take advantage of so much VRAM at 4K or 5K). Coincidentally where dual Titan Xs hit the sweet spot is most likely 6GB. If there was actually a game out there that required more than 6GB, the Titan X would have run out of texture and pixel fill-rate processing power since it's less than 50% faster than the 980 4GB. By the time next gen games start using 6-8GB regularly, Titan X will be a mid-range to lower-end card. That's why a 980Ti with 1200mhz and 6GB of VRAM is going to be a way better buy than the Titan X.
 
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Also, the game uses way more VRAM on NV cards than AMD.
Nothing in your post points to that conclusion. You can't take a 12GB NV card and a 4GB AMD card, check MSI AB readings and say that the game uses more VRAM on Nvidia cards in general.

Completely nonsensical reasoning.
 

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Does anyone think this will push the price down of 980 / 970?
Nope....If your wanting a cheaper 980/970 then it's up to AMD to force the price drop. Until them NVidia has no motivation to drop the price nor do they have any need to.
 

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Maybe 980Ti price will be closer to Titan X this time around. There's no DP to castrate, and the only difference would be a bit of vram. Titan X SC cards are already 1127 / 1216 (or buy a regular card and flash it). In Heaven, my core clock starts out as 1278-1316 but drops to 1139-1228 (varies on scene) after warmed up, default fan profile.

So 980 kingpin buyers are SOL lmao.
Why would anyone shell out for a K|NGP|N card based on the 256-bit mid-range part?
 
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6GB really is the sweetspot due to console hardware this gen & moving forward.
Considering the 980 is more than twice as fast as a console, and I'm being pessimistic here, it's probably faster, no, 6GB being the sweetspot has nothing to do with the amount of SHARED ram consoles have.

FWIW, neither the PS4 nor the Xbone use more than 2GB of actual VRAM. They just use their RAM for other stuff.
 

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From the store page:



It appears to be from a "marketplace" seller as well, not the actual retailer. I've seen this many times, a chinese seller tries to capitalize on the rumors hoping to get some money with no idea of when they'll actually be able to fulfill the order or even final specs. Maybe it is just around the corner, but I don't think this listing says anything, IMO.
No,
Again, it is not just a random dude selling stuff. Its a huge retailer.
Check out the webshop
http://pclaoa.taobao.com/?spm=2013.1.1000126.3.q8uggi

Here is the Nvidia GPUs
http://pclaoa.taobao.com/category-53753282.htm?spm=a1z10.1-c.w8031403-10172581477.14.YBTM8k

They got more stuff than most hardware shops we buy our parts from.

Pretty sure that the listed price for 980Ti is 100% legit


If this is real, IN PARTICULAR THE PRICE :) I am starting to save up now. 6GB, 384-bit, 336GB/s sounds sexy...and I JUST got a GTX 970. However I don't believe this card will be priced that low. Nvidia NEVER released top cards at (almost) decent prices....
GTX 780Ti was priced at $699 when it launched..
$799 is pretty much spot on what I would expect from 980Ti now that it have 1/2 the VRAM and no FP64 cores to shave off from the equivalent Titan card


I don't think Chinese vendors are typically concerned with NDA as much as NA retailers tend to be. Things seem pretty lax over there when it comes to that sorta thing. More than likely, the retailer knows something is coming but doesn't know the details so they pulled the VC specs as a placeholder. I could easily see a cut down version of GM200 boosting to 1200 MHz which really is no big deal since every single Titan X pretty much can run at 1.4 GHz on the stock cooler. Even if by chance it is a full GM200, 1200 MHz is very doable since NVIDIA seemed to have purposely underclocked the Titan X. I wouldn't count on reference version's clocking any better than the Titan X, maybe custom AIB versions by Asus, Gigabyte etc will reach 1600+ but that wouldn't happen this summer.
You find no other sellers at taobao listing GTX 980Ti. Or 390X for that matter. I can`t remember finding any leaks there earlier and you know me Joker, I can find stuff.
 
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No,
Again, it is not just a random dude selling stuff. Its a huge retailer.
Check out the webshop
http://pclaoa.taobao.com/?spm=2013.1.1000126.3.q8uggi

Here is the Nvidia GPUs
http://pclaoa.taobao.com/category-53753282.htm?spm=a1z10.1-c.w8031403-10172581477.14.YBTM8k

They got more stuff than most hardware shops we buy our parts from.

Pretty sure that the listed price for 980Ti is 100% legit



GTX 780Ti was priced at $699 when it launched..
$799 is pretty much spot on what I would expect from 980Ti now that it have 1/2 the VRAM and no FP64 cores to shave off from the equivalent Titan card
He's saying it's equivalent to a seller on Amazon that isn't Amazon itself listing it, not that the website isn't big.
 

poofyhairguy

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FWIW, neither the PS4 nor the Xbone use more than 2GB of actual VRAM.
So far, but that seems like the obvious way for later-generation games to have the visual improvements we expect over the life of a console-huge textures.
 

BD231

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Its happening: GTX 980Ti already listed in China!!

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ShintaiDK

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If true its strange to think that the GM200 yield/redundencies are enough to supply only 3072SP chips without any cutdown versions.
 

Cloudfire777

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He's saying it's equivalent to a seller on Amazon that isn't Amazon itself listing it, not that the website isn't big.
Bad logic, so now you have to own your own website to be credible?
Taobao market is huuuuge, it probably benefit them more to sell on taobao.

If true its strange to think that the GM200 yield/redundencies are enough to supply only 3072SP chips without any cutdown versions.
28nm production began when? 2011?
They could still sell GPUs with a cut down GM200 later I guess. GTX 970Ti?
 
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Hitman928

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He's saying it's equivalent to a seller on Amazon that isn't Amazon itself listing it, not that the website isn't big.
Yes, exactly. According to their review feedback, they get about 1000 reviews a month, decent size, but not newegg size or anything.

Even if it is totally legit, it's still listed as a pre-order with an expected release date of September, so not sure how to draw from that an impending release. Again, not the first time something like this has happened if they're already taking pre-orders this early without any solid info, it even happens with sellers on amazon and ebay some times.
 

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