my sblive driver is still dated 8-26-99, i've been waiting for it to change to something with x-x-00. hmmm, it was a while back that i thought i read somewhere that creativelabs was going to release liveware 4 this year, i didn't say i "remember" reading it because it's was so long ago, they've been working so hard on making little to no improvements on the sblive line of cards, adding a cheap 5.1 here & jack up the prices to a soundcard that's been out for years. you would think they would have a completely new soundcard by now, it's like they want to follow intel's footsteps from pentiumII to III, adding one little feature & charge us to death for it, anyone here working at creativelabs know anything about the liveware 4 development? also since i brought my tnt2 ultra, the drivers have been getting worst down the line from the 3.68, & all creative did was slap their name on the reference driver without tweaking & called it theirs, then they got lazy some more & decided to release fasttrax & say there's no support for betas, & finally now, they stopped everything & just left it at fasttrax 6.18, & didn't even bother to make them final, i have 3 creativelabs products, own a total of 5 of their products in my lifetime, i knew creativelabs videocards stinked before but i thought they would change over the year, but no, their soundcards use to be good, but now, they're outdated, their speakers, the FPS2000 is the 1st ones i've tried & their ok, not worth over a $100. my next system will hopefully have no creativelabs products, "creative"labs just don't sound right anymore.