"It's a man's world, and it always will be" - Camille Paglia

[Atreus21]

Ouch.
http://ideas.time.com/2013/12/16/its-a-mans-world-and-it-always-will-be/print/

If men are obsolete, then women will soon be extinct — unless we rush down that ominous Brave New World path where women clone themselves by parthenogenesis, as famously do Komodo dragons, hammerhead sharks and pit vipers.

A peevish, grudging rancor against men has been one of the most unpalatable and unjust features of second- and third-wave feminism. Men’s faults, failings and foibles have been seized on and magnified into gruesome bills of indictment. Ideologue professors at our leading universities indoctrinate impressionable undergraduates with carelessly fact-free theories alleging that gender is an arbitrary, oppressive fiction with no basis in biology.

Is it any wonder that so many high-achieving young women, despite all the happy talk about their academic success, find themselves in the early stages of their careers in chronic uncertainty or anxiety about their prospects for an emotionally fulfilled private life? When an educated culture routinely denigrates masculinity and manhood, then women will be perpetually stuck with boys, who have no incentive to mature or to honor their commitments. And without strong men as models to either embrace or (for dissident lesbians) to resist, women will never attain a centered and profound sense of themselves as women.

From my long observation, which predates the sexual revolution, this remains a serious problem afflicting Anglo-American society, with its Puritan residue. In France, Italy, Spain, Latin America and Brazil, in contrast, many ambitious professional women seem to have found a formula for asserting power and authority in the workplace while still projecting sexual allure and even glamour. This is the true feminine mystique, which cannot be taught but flows from an instinctive recognition of sexual differences. In today’s punitive atmosphere of sentimental propaganda about gender, the sexual imagination has understandably fled into the alternate world of online pornography, where the rude but exhilarating forces of primitive nature rollick unconstrained by religious or feminist moralism.

This is about the first half of the column.

The bolded: I've noticed this about European women as they're sometimes portrayed in foreign films. The movie Nikita comes to mind.

I've always gotten a subtle vibe from feminists. They don't just hate masculinity; they also curiously seem to hate femininity by implication. They're real complaint seems to be that there are differences at all between the sexes.

 

[First]

Poor, poor oppressed white men.

 

[nehalem256]

I've always gotten a subtle vibe from feminists. They don't just hate masculinity; they also curiously seem to hate femininity by implication. They're real complaint seems to be that there are differences at all between the sexes.

Not sure why its curious.

Feminism is basically a giant case of penis envy.

 

[OverVolt]

Nah women have always ruled the world.

 

[Moonbeam]

Not sure why its curious.

Feminism is basically a giant case of penis envy.

You're safe then.

 

[Paratus]

Poor, poor oppressed white men.

 

[nehalem256]

Poor, poor oppressed white men.

The word white appears no where in the article.

 

[Fern]

Poor, poor oppressed white men.

The word white appears no where in the article.

Moreover, they've missed the point entirely.

It's not about the "oppression" of "white men", not at all. It's about women in Anglo-American society "oppressing" themselves and the consequences of doing so.

Fern

 

[Paratus]

Moreover, they've missed the point entirely.

It's not about the "oppression" of "white men", not at all. It's about women in Anglo-American society "oppressing" themselves and the consequences of doing so.

Fern

White men aren't oppressed?


Good to know. Glad we cleared that up!:thumbsup:

 

[First]

The word white appears no where in the article.

lol

 

[Moonbeam]

White men who built their self esteem of their historical bread earning and patriarchal position have discovered that modern life has made unnecessary. The result is a major collapse of ego and growing rage and insecurity. Never a good idea to base your self worth on the ephemeral. Men want sex but they no longer control the dance. Women want men who can change diapers, recycle and watch girly flicks.

 

[Fern]

White men aren't oppressed?


Good to know. Glad we cleared that up!:thumbsup:

If I wasn't clear enough - the article is not about the oppression of men, white or otherwise.

Fern

 

[Paratus]

If I wasn't clear enough - the article is not about the oppression of men, white or otherwise.

Fern

I never said the article did. However it seems folks in this thread do. Which is who the picture was directed at, mainly because it's funny.

Or it was until I had to explain it all

 

[werepossum]

One of the people with whom I had dinner tonight is a beautiful project manager for a large G.C. She is very successful at her job without either denying or trading on her looks or sex appeal. Even in America, oppressing themselves is strictly optional as long as they are willing to compete on a level playing field and capable of ignoring the bumps.

Love me some Camille Paglia, a lady who understands that sex appeal does not equal sex object unless you make it so.

 

[Geosurface]

Camille could not be more correct than she is in that quote.

100% spot on.

Unfortunately, this experiment in feminism and liberalism the west has undertaken is not without long term, devastating consequences. It isn't just like going through a rebellious phase in your teens that you can put behind you. It has destroyed our education, industry, and birth rate.

 

[Jaskalas]

Having a living wage equal one parent working in a full time career was pretty sweet back in the day. If they fell ill the other could fill in and help the couple stay afloat. These days you both work your assess off, make less, and if anything goes wrong you lose everything.

We've made ourselves a horror story out of the American family.

 

[Moonbeam]

The world we see was created by men, including the world of feminism.

 

[Paratus]

Camille could not be more correct than she is in that quote.

100% spot on.

Unfortunately, this experiment in feminism and liberalism the west has undertaken is not without long term, devastating consequences. It isn't just like going through a rebellious phase in your teens that you can put behind you. It has destroyed our education, industry, and birth rate.

Wow that's some serious BS right there.

 

[Texashiker]

In France, Italy, Spain, Latin America and Brazil, in contrast, many ambitious professional women seem to have found a formula for asserting power and authority in the workplace while still projecting sexual allure and even glamour

Those women have embraced what they are, a sexual object.

Women are sexual objects, always have been sexual objects, no amount of education will change that, no amount of law suits will change that, and no matter what they do women will always be sexual objects.

Wow that's some serious BS right there.

It is not serious BS.

Feminism and political correctness is turning the United States into a bunch of sissies.

 

[Jaskalas]

The world we see was created by men, including the world of feminism.

Your words speak as if things do not change outside our control. As if we would have it so. This is not true.

 

[BUnit1701]

White men who built their self esteem of their historical bread earning and patriarchal position have discovered that modern life has made unnecessary. The result is a major collapse of ego and growing rage and insecurity. Never a good idea to base your self worth on the ephemeral. Men want sex but they no longer control the dance. Women want men who can change diapers, recycle and watch girly flicks.

Yea, you go on thinking that and wondering why you cant get laid...

 

[Texashiker]

Women want men who can change diapers, recycle and watch girly flicks.

Women also want men who will hold the door open for her, and then slap her on the ass as she walks by.

 

[poofyhairguy]

The problem with sexuality is that in America it is not associated with smart or strong. A "sex object" must not only be desired but also attainable to be effective in our culture.

Because we expect smart and strong leaders (especially in national politics), it is then best for aspiring women to play down their sexuality.

 

[Moonbeam]

Women also want men who will hold the door open for her, and then slap her on the ass as she walks by.

Biker chicks have good taste too. People with bad cases of self hate are commonly found to debase themselves for attention. And many a battered wife goes home where they are treated how they feel they deserve.

Feminism has broken women's dependence on men and the scum among our gender can feel the pain, forced to choose from the bottom of the barrel. Every real man who wants a woman wants one that is real and not a sycophant, a trained monkey, a clown, or a slave. It is liberal men who have elevated women, just as it was liberal men who freed the slaves. Caring for the other is what you do when your brain isn't defective. It is the liberal mind that will push man to the stars if the conservative brain defect doesn't kill us all first.

 

[Texashiker]

Every real man who wants a woman wants one that is real and not a sycophant, a trained monkey, a clown, or a slave.

In other words a real man wants his wife to stay home?

Because working is being a trained monkey, clown, and wage slave.

It is liberal men who have elevated women, just as it was liberal men who freed the slaves.

As in freeing a woman from being a wage slave?

Who is the slave, someone who has to go to work everyday, or someone who gets to stay home and have the freedom not to answer to a boss?

Being able to sleep late, eat when the want, watch tv, talk on the phone, get on the net, go shopping, take a nap when you want,,,, is that kind of freedom you are talking about?

Or, are you talking about the type of freedom where you have to get up by a certain time, report to work at a certain time, report to a boss, meet deadlines,,, type of freedom?