It's a Class War, Stupid

ayabe

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Matt Taibbi is probably my favorite writer period in the last couple years. This is a long but well worth the time read about what we are really facing in the coming election and how unwilling we are to talk about the real problems.

Here are some highlights:

"A few weeks back, I got a call from someone in the office of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders. Sanders wanted to tell me about an effort his office had recently made to solicit information about his constituents? economic problems. He sent out a notice on his e-mail list asking Vermont residents to "tell me what was going on in their lives economically." He expected a few dozen letters at best ? but got, instead, more than 700 in the first week alone. Some, like the excerpt posted above, sounded like typical tales of life for struggling single-parent families below the poverty line. More unnerving, however, were the stories Sanders received from people who held one or two or even three jobs, from families in which both spouses held at least one regular job ? in other words, from people one would normally describe as middle-class. For example, this letter came from the owner of his own commercial cleaning service:

My 90-year-old father in Connecticut has recently become ill and asked me to visit him. I want to drop everything I am doing and go visit him, however, I am finding it hard to save enough money to add to the extra gas I'll need to get there. I make more than I did a year ago and I don't have enough to pay my property taxes this quarter for the first time in many years. They are due tomorrow.


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"Sanders got letters from working people who have been reduced to eating "cereal and toast" for dinner, from a 71-year-old man who has been forced to go back to work to pay for heating oil and property taxes, from a worker in an oncology department of a hospital who reports that clinically ill patients are foregoing cancer treatments because the cost of gas makes it too expensive to reach the hospital. The recurring theme is that employment, even dual employment, is no longer any kind of barrier against poverty. Not economic discomfort, mind you, but actual poverty. Meaning, having less than you need to eat and live in heated shelter ? forgetting entirely about health care and dentistry, which has long ceased to be considered an automatic component of American middle-class life. The key factors in almost all of the Sanders letters are exploding gas and heating oil costs, reduced salaries and benefits, and sharply increased property taxes (a phenomenon I hear about all across the country at campaign trail stops, something that seems to me to be directly tied to the Bush tax cuts and the consequent reduced federal aid to states). And it all adds up to one thing.

"The middle class is disappearing," says Sanders. "In real ways we're becoming more like a third-world country.""

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"None of this is a secret. Here, however, is something that is a secret: that this is a class issue that is being intentionally downplayed by a political/media consensus bent on selling the public a version of reality where class resentments, or class distinctions even, do not exist. Our "national debate" is always a thing where we do not talk about things like haves and have-nots, rich and poor, employers versus employees. But we increasingly live in a society where all the political action is happening on one side of the line separating all those groups, to the detriment of the people on the other side.

We have a government that is spending two and a half billion dollars a day in Iraq, essentially subsidizing new swimming pools for the contracting class in northern Virginia, at a time when heating oil and personal transportation are about to join health insurance on the list of middle-class luxuries. Home heating and car ownership are slipping away from the middle class thanks to exploding energy prices ? the hidden cost of the national borrowing policy we call dependency on foreign oil, "foreign" representing those nations, Arab and Chinese, that lend us the money to pay for our wars."

And while we've all heard stories about how much waste and inefficiency there is in our military spending, this is always portrayed as either "corruption" or simple inefficiency, and not what it really is ? a profound expression of our national priorities, a means of taking money from ordinary, struggling people and redistributing it not downward but upward, to connected insiders, who turn your tax money into pure profit.

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You want an example? Sanders has a great one for you. The Senator claims that he has been trying for years to increase funding for the Federally Qualified Health Care (FQHC) program, which finances community health centers across the country that give primary health care access to about 16 million Americans a year. He's seeking an additional $798 million for the program this year, which would bring the total appropriation to $2.9 billion, or about what we spend every two days in Iraq.

"But for five billion a year," Sanders insists, "we could provide basic primary health care for every American. That?s how much it would cost, five billion."


As it is, though, Sanders has struggled to get any additional funding. He managed to get $250 million added to the program in last year's Labor, Health and Human Services bill, but Bush vetoed the legislation, "and we ended up getting a lot less."

Okay, now, hold that thought. While we're unable to find $5 billion for this simple program, and Sanders had to fight and claw to get even $250 million that was eventually slashed, here's something else that's going on. According to a recent report by the GAO, the Department of Defense has already "marked for disposal" hundreds of millions of dollars worth of spare parts ? and not old spare parts, but new ones that are still on order! In fact, the GAO report claims that over half of the spare parts currently on order for the Air Force ? some $235 million worth, or about the same amount Sanders unsuccessfully tried to get for the community health care program last year ? are already marked for disposal! Our government is buying hundreds of millions of dollars worth of Defense Department crap just to throw it away!

"They're planning on throwing this stuff away and it hasn?t even come in yet," says Sanders.


According to the report, we're spending over $30 million a year, and employing over 1,400 people, just to warehouse all the defense equipment we don't need. For instance ? we already have thousands of unneeded aircraft blades, but 7,460 on the way, at a cost of $2 million, which will join those already earmarked for the waste pile.


There are tons of real gems in this piece but that story about the Air Force spare parts really got me foaming at the mouth. The Air Force is bitching every damn day about how they don't have enough funding but they are paying for parts that have yet to be built just so they can be disposed of? What the fuck kind of subsidy is that?

Please, please take the time to read the whole article. We are taking it in the ass yet all we can talk about is lapel pins, flip-flops, and other assorted BS.
 

fskimospy

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This is my favorite Matt Taibbi article. About the 109th Congress. I like him because he's such an entertaining writer, sort of like Christopher Hitchens. Even when he pisses me off I still finish the article.

I would have to say that our government spending billions on military programs of dubious usefulness while ignoring social programs that would cost a fraction of that amount isn't really news though.
 

JS80

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lol the poorest of the poor in this country live like kings compared to the average third world citizen.

 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: JS80
lol the poorest of the poor in this country live like kings compared to the average third world citizen.

Right, but that's not what he said. He said we were in ways becoming more like a third world country and he's right. The US is nowhere close to the crappy standard of living in those countries, but the shrinking middle class should be of concern to all of us. More important then anything else, the middle class provides social stability. Rich people in our country aren't afraid of the poor rising up to kill them, nationalize their property, etc. in large part because we have a robust middle class that stabilizes and endorses the system.
 

spidey07

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This is yet another example of the doom and gloom the left so emotionally pulls to pander to their base. The middle class is not dissappearing, people are wealthier than their parents before them and the poor live like kings. To the sob story about older people struggling - not my fault you didn't plan for retirement appropriately. If the cost of fuel pushes you over the breaking point then the lessons should be - you were running to thin to begin with.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: spidey07
This is yet another example of the doom and gloom the left so emotionally pulls to pander to their base. The middle class is not dissappearing, people are wealthier than their parents before them and the poor live like kings. To the sob story about older people struggling - not my fault you didn't plan for retirement appropriately. If the cost of fuel pushes you over the breaking point then the lessons should be - you were running to thin to begin with.

While the country is certainly wealthier then the generation before it, the middle class is still shrinking by most reasonable estimates. Wealth within a country is totally a relative measure. From a social standpoint it doesn't matter nearly as much how wealthy we are compared to some people in grass huts in Africa as it does how wealthy we are compared to one another.
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: spidey07
This is yet another example of the doom and gloom the left so emotionally pulls to pander to their base. The middle class is not dissappearing, people are wealthier than their parents before them and the poor live like kings. To the sob story about older people struggling - not my fault you didn't plan for retirement appropriately. If the cost of fuel pushes you over the breaking point then the lessons should be - you were running to thin to begin with.

Right real wages haven't fallen and there aren't 5 million more people below the poverty line now than were before this Administration.

You are part of the problem Captain Denial.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: spidey07
This is yet another example of the doom and gloom the left so emotionally pulls to pander to their base. The middle class is not dissappearing, people are wealthier than their parents before them and the poor live like kings. To the sob story about older people struggling - not my fault you didn't plan for retirement appropriately. If the cost of fuel pushes you over the breaking point then the lessons should be - you were running to thin to begin with.

Right real wages haven't fallen and there aren't 5 million more people below the poverty line now than were before this Administration.

You are part of the problem Captain Denial.

People are a product of their decisions and actions. If they are below the poverty line it is their own damn fault. If their wages are "declining" it is their own damn fault. Not the gubment.

But by all means wallow around in your self hate, pity and doom and gloom.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: spidey07
This is yet another example of the doom and gloom the left so emotionally pulls to pander to their base. The middle class is not dissappearing, people are wealthier than their parents before them and the poor live like kings. To the sob story about older people struggling - not my fault you didn't plan for retirement appropriately. If the cost of fuel pushes you over the breaking point then the lessons should be - you were running to thin to begin with.

Right real wages haven't fallen and there aren't 5 million more people below the poverty line now than were before this Administration.

You are part of the problem Captain Denial.

People are a product of their decisions and actions. If they are below the poverty line it is their own damn fault. If their wages are "declining" it is their own damn fault. Not the gubment.

But by all means wallow around in your self hate, pity and doom and gloom.

Wow dude, you need to open your eyes.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: spidey07
This is yet another example of the doom and gloom the left so emotionally pulls to pander to their base. The middle class is not dissappearing, people are wealthier than their parents before them and the poor live like kings. To the sob story about older people struggling - not my fault you didn't plan for retirement appropriately. If the cost of fuel pushes you over the breaking point then the lessons should be - you were running to thin to begin with.

Right real wages haven't fallen and there aren't 5 million more people below the poverty line now than were before this Administration.

You are part of the problem Captain Denial.

People are a product of their decisions and actions. If they are below the poverty line it is their own damn fault. If their wages are "declining" it is their own damn fault. Not the gubment.

But by all means wallow around in your self hate, pity and doom and gloom.

That's a totally ridiculous statement because it implies that external circumstances don't matter when they clearly do. There's a reason why the vast majority of people born in sub-Saharan Africa will be in poverty, and the vast majority of people born in America won't be. I'll give you a hint: It's not because we're all so industrious.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: JS80
lol the poorest of the poor in this country live like kings compared to the average third world citizen.

I agree as far as poor in the US compared to poor in some 3rd world countries. However, in many 3rd world countries you will still find wealthy people. I noticed this in my visits to the Philippines. There were a lot of people literally living off the land in rural areas in thatched huts. There were also people living in huge houses driving BMW's or Benz's. What I didn't see was a lot of people living in between those extremes.

 

StageLeft

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as the pundit class tends to applaud, mute, stoned-looking candidate wives who have soldiered on bravely while being martyred by rumors of their mostly absent husband's infidelities
Haha
"But for five billion a year," Sanders insists, "we could provide basic primary health care for every American. That?s how much it would cost, five billion."
I rather doubt that.

The rest of the article is easy to agree with for the most part. This country's lifeblood is cheap access to energy and it's gone up 50% in less than a year, which has wild implications for personal and company budgets. Even before it's become a big problem, despite the rich getting much richer over time, wages vs inflation have resulted in lower overall wages for all but the upper class for years now.
funneling an ever-expanding treasure trove of military appropriations down the befouled anus of pointless war profiteering
hehe
These fantasy elections we've been having ? overblown sports contests with great production values, decided by haircuts and sound bytes and high-tech mudslinging campaigns ? those were sort of fun while they lasted, and were certainly useful in providing jerk-off pundit-dickheads like me with high-paying jobs
Haha
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: spidey07
People are a product of their decisions and actions. If they are below the poverty line it is their own damn fault. If their wages are "declining" it is their own damn fault. Not the gubment.

But by all means wallow around in your self hate, pity and doom and gloom.

IMO it's this attitude that this thread is about.

 

Craig234

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This point, about the absence in the public debate of any dealing with the issue of how the most wealthy are doing so much that harms everyone else, is good to see getting written about - as the corporate media basically never discusses anything on the issue, and if they do, it's presented in a way to minimize it. I've been saying this for a long time, so it's good to see it in an article. Spidey shows how hard it is for the 'brainwashed' to hear it.

Matt's style on Bill Maher's show has never been a favorite of mine, but kudos for this article.

I'm going to go renew my subscription to Rolling Stone now, for just this sort of article.
 

digiram

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: spidey07
This is yet another example of the doom and gloom the left so emotionally pulls to pander to their base. The middle class is not dissappearing, people are wealthier than their parents before them and the poor live like kings. To the sob story about older people struggling - not my fault you didn't plan for retirement appropriately. If the cost of fuel pushes you over the breaking point then the lessons should be - you were running to thin to begin with.

Right real wages haven't fallen and there aren't 5 million more people below the poverty line now than were before this Administration.

You are part of the problem Captain Denial.

People are a product of their decisions and actions. If they are below the poverty line it is their own damn fault. If their wages are "declining" it is their own damn fault. Not the gubment.

But by all means wallow around in your self hate, pity and doom and gloom.

It is their fault. If they were smart, they would be selling drugs, robbing banks, etc. Instead they spent money getting a college education. What a joke!!!

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: JS80
lol the poorest of the poor in this country live like kings compared to the average third world citizen.

Ah, but that is changing on a daily basis.

America and specifically middle class Americans are going down but elitists like yourself don't give a damn.

That's what you want for the "average" American, to be just like Third World country citizens?

It's a simple question, will you answer it or dodge with Rush and Hannity style Republican bullshit?
 

blackangst1

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Yeah, and Gates' net worth has gone down a little too. He's closer to bankruptcy! Thats about close we are to a third world country.
 

Jhhnn

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Heh. I'm easily amused today, apparently. The denial and obfuscation from the usual righties would be funny, if it weren't so tragic and destructive.

That's perhaps the most remarkable thing about what passes for "thought" in that quarter- so smug and self satisfied as to be self reinforcing. Any attempts to reveal the smallest link to reality merely results in greater denial...

It's like borrowing their way out of debt.
 

bbdub333

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
It's a simple question, will you answer it or dodge with Rush and Hannity style Republican bullshit?

This, coming from a person who hasn't once answered any question asked of him in a debate.
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: Craig234
This point, about the absence in the public debate of any dealing with the issue of how the most wealthy are doing so much that harms everyone else, is good to see getting written about - as the corporate media basically never discusses anything on the issue, and if they do, it's presented in a way to minimize it. I've been saying this for a long time, so it's good to see it in an article. Spidey shows how hard it is for the 'brainwashed' to hear it.

Matt's style on Bill Maher's show has never been a favorite of mine, but kudos for this article.

I'm going to go renew my subscription to Rolling Stone now, for just this sort of article.

I actually love his style on Maher's show. He's about my favorite guest. Him and the guy who wrote about Blackwater.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: ayabe

"But for five billion a year," Sanders insists, "we could provide basic primary health care for every American. That?s how much it would cost, five billion."

Basic math tells me this woman is a moron and not to be listened to.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Yeah, and Gates' net worth has gone down a little too. He's closer to bankruptcy! Thats about close we are to a third world country.

Please read the OP before replying in threads. These hit-and-runs of yours are kind of annoying and really only make you look bad.


I don't think it's a matter of debate anymore that the middle class in America is shrinking and losing political power. Who even speaks for the middle class anymore even?
 

Dr. Detroit

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The Air-Force and other branches are stuck with parts they placed on order years back under minimum parts buys.

Many of these contracts were entered into for the life of a specific piece of equipment. So a helicopter which has a useful life of 20yrs and the Govt. plan on using them for 35yrs would need an expected parts supply of X.

Well they entered into this agreement and are fulfilling the contract. The Air-Force just did not realize that 24 yrs later they would not be needing as many spare blades beacuase the amount of missions being ran was lower than expected.

The excess inventory because it is not expected to be consumed within XX number of months is therefore placed into the scrap or excess & obsolete category.

These types of bad contracts are entered into by all corporations as well.

Should the Air-Force work to better budget, oh hell yes, but I wonder if its not much better than it was in the 80's when Govt. waste was at an all time high.


 
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Yeah, and Gates' net worth has gone down a little too. He's closer to bankruptcy! Thats about close we are to a third world country.

Please read the OP before replying in threads. These hit-and-runs of yours are kind of annoying and really only make you look bad.


I don't think it's a matter of debate anymore that the middle class in America is shrinking and losing political power. Who even speaks for the middle class anymore even?
Yes it is still a matter of debate.

http://stats.org/stories/2008/...e_middle_june9_08.html

It's in this forum and some others around the web like HuffPo, DailyKOS, and Democratic Underground where the "decline of the middle class" chestnut has now been accepted as absolute, undeniable fact and thou shall not argue the point.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: spidey07
This is yet another example of the doom and gloom the left so emotionally pulls to pander to their base. The middle class is not dissappearing, people are wealthier than their parents before them and the poor live like kings. To the sob story about older people struggling - not my fault you didn't plan for retirement appropriately. If the cost of fuel pushes you over the breaking point then the lessons should be - you were running to thin to begin with.

Right real wages haven't fallen and there aren't 5 million more people below the poverty line now than were before this Administration.

You are part of the problem Captain Denial.

People are a product of their decisions and actions. If they are below the poverty line it is their own damn fault. If their wages are "declining" it is their own damn fault. Not the gubment.

But by all means wallow around in your self hate, pity and doom and gloom.

its only ok for the government to undertake redistribution policies if it takes money from the undeserving and gives it to the much more deserving, and whether or not someoen is deserving is decided by their income and net assets, with people having more being designated as 'more deserving'.